Can one product have multiple case hit inserts?

[oplum29]

i've been seeing a lot of "case hits" in the market nowadays. i've got a couple i added last year of Trey Lance, but i've noticed that some sets seem to have several different "case hit" inserts, is this true?

take Phoenix for example.

i've seen Volcanic, En Fuego, and Phoenician all listed as "case hits", but on CardboardConnection, they are only listed as short-prints.

do these count as case hits or just SPs. also, are people overusing the word "case hit" to get more interest in cards that aren't really "case hits"?

[mc1]

Nobody knows what the true meaning of “case hit” is. They just use it to describe any SP insert, or even inserts that fall every 5-10 cases.

For example in Mosaic Football and Basketball. They call inserts that fall every 2-3 boxes “case hits”.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by mc1

Nobody knows what the true meaning of “case hit” is. They just use it to describe any SP insert, or even inserts that fall every 5-10 cases.

For example in Mosaic Football and Basketball. They call inserts that fall every 2-3 boxes “case hits”.

so then "case hit" isn't exactly a "case hit"? it's a very loosely based term?

[ArmyDC]

Yea I opened a box of Legacy and got a “case hit” Lore card. Apparently Legacy has about 10 different “case hits”

[mc1]

Originally Posted by oplum29

so then "case hit" isn't exactly a "case hit"? it's a very loosely based term?

Its like you mentioned, people trying to hype and sell their items use that term freely.

[MD202041]

In Donruss Optic they call Downtown case hits but they’re often more than 1 per case, sometimes as many as 4. Then also in Optic you have Mythical and Rookie Kings which are just as rare if not more rare than downtowns yet there’s debate are these “case hits” so it’s confusing for sure

[mjohnatgt]

Next you'll be telling me that ebay sellers use "1/1" on cards that are not 1/1s!!! And "PSA" on cards that are not even graded. Shocking.

[altaeria]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i've been seeing a lot of "case hits" in the market nowadays. i've got a couple i added last year of Trey Lance, but i've noticed that some sets seem to have several different "case hit" inserts, is this true?

take Phoenix for example.

i've seen Volcanic, En Fuego, and Phoenician all listed as "case hits", but on CardboardConnection, they are only listed as short-prints.

do these count as case hits or just SPs. also, are people overusing the word "case hit" to get more interest in cards that aren't really "case hits"?

I don't know anything about these specific cards, but I suppose if every case has only 1 Volcanic, 1 En Fuego, and 1 Phoenician, maybe that could still qualify each as a "case hit"... since each would technically only be available once per case.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by altaeria

I don't know anything about these specific cards, but I suppose if every case has only 1 Volcanic, 1 En Fuego, and 1 Phoenician, maybe that could still qualify each as a "case hit"... since each would technically only be available once per case.

That's how I look at it as well.

[matt roberson]

A case hit is any hit that on average over the print run falls around 1/case (.8-1.3/case IMO).

But not all case hits are created equal, there may be a million cases of one product and 10,00 of another.

But yeah some products seem to have multiple case hits that just alternate, where they are more like a 1/3 or 1/4 cases "hit". The word's definitely being misused more often then not.

Also 1/case isn't all that rare unless the production is very small or the "case hit" checklist is very large and the production is below average.

[JeremyNick]

I feel like every Panini product has multiple case hits now.

Retail blaster cases, hobby cases, retail cello cases, retail value pack cases, retail blaster case, H2 case hits.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by altaeria

I don't know anything about these specific cards, but I suppose if every case has only 1 Volcanic, 1 En Fuego, and 1 Phoenician, maybe that could still qualify each as a "case hit"... since each would technically only be available once per case.

that makes too much sense

[Darthvito]

In most products they have multiple case hits. So for Phoenix you can hit one of those case hits in a case. I think they do multiple to limit print runs, and to have a couple different things for the different collectors.

Originally Posted by oplum29

i've been seeing a lot of "case hits" in the market nowadays. i've got a couple i added last year of Trey Lance, but i've noticed that some sets seem to have several different "case hit" inserts, is this true?

take Phoenix for example.

i've seen Volcanic, En Fuego, and Phoenician all listed as "case hits", but on CardboardConnection, they are only listed as short-prints.

do these count as case hits or just SPs. also, are people overusing the word "case hit" to get more interest in cards that aren't really "case hits"?

[majestik101]

Does Mosaic count? I remember when Mosaic first came out, people were saying Genesis were case hits, and then it turned out that there would be anywhere from 4-6 a case. That's why I will never overpay for Genesis inserts

[hche]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Does Mosaic count? I remember when Mosaic first came out, people were saying Genesis were case hits, and then it turned out that there would be anywhere from 4-6 a case. That's why I will never overpay for Genesis inserts

I think people were applying knowledge from Basketball before the acutal hit ratio was supported by case breaks.

OP, a case hit loosely means the hit/insert is hit 1 per case. So there can be multiple case hits in a case. There can be 5 different insert sets that hit 1 per case, then a patch auto is 1 per case, then an on-card auto is 1 per case, and so on and so on. Now-a-days case hits don't mean a lot unless it is something people are chasing.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Darthvito

In most products they have multiple case hits. So for Phoenix you can hit one of those case hits in a case. I think they do multiple to limit print runs, and to have a couple different things for the different collectors.

They do it for the opposite reason.

Because print run has ballooned on almost all the products they’ve increased the number of case hits. No different then adding parallels. Now you have 6-7 parallels numbered to 50 or less. Same with case hits.

[Darthvito]

I meant it that way, Because their are more cases, they add a case hit to keep the checklists from being huge and the keep the print run down on those cards. They don’t want to increase the number of color blasts or Phoenician so they make another new case hit to mitigate the increased case count.

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

They do it for the opposite reason.

Because print run has ballooned on almost all the products they’ve increased the number of case hits. No different then adding parallels. Now you have 6-7 parallels numbered to 50 or less. Same with case hits.