Psa authentic grade

[Charts]

I’m looking for more info on what authentic grade means. Specifically I’ve notice the 2000 Brady playoff contenders has quite a few cards graded authentic but still demand a high price tag. From what I’ve read on the psa website the card could be altered or significantly damaged. What am I missing here? Thanks in advance

[towerymt]

Autographed dual-grade could be altered, I believe, and it doesn't specify on the label. If no auto (no separate auto grade), then AUTHENTIC shouldn't be altered, while AUTHENTIC ALTERED obviously is. Exceptions exist, which I'll let someone else better define.

[mjohnatgt]

That's a good recap. Many sellers would rather have a card graded below an 8 or a 9 just show up in the slab as AUTHENTIC, so it may be unaltered. You won't know until you send it back to PSA for a number grade in a grading submission.

[Charts]

No auto grade on the card I’m talking about. Apparently it wasn’t requested to get authentic instead of a bad numerical grade. Anyway to verify the reason with psa?

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Charts

No auto grade on the card I’m talking about. Apparently it wasn’t requested to get authentic instead of a bad numerical grade. Anyway to verify the reason with psa?

The flip is crowded with the auto grade so many don’t go with a auto grade. Others if it doesn’t get a 10 for auto just choose to have the designation auto authentic. The hobby for some reason views anything other than a 10 as a negative since BGS gives out auto 10s like candy.

[Charts]

The auto is not graded. The label just says authentic. I guess my question is, is there issues with this card? Is it just as valuable having this authentic label only ?

[mjohnatgt]

There is no way to know.

[Hellcat]

Read what PSA says about the “authentic” designation it’s very cloudy. It doesn’t mean the card has or hasn’t been altered. Shy away if you’re investing or intend to sell down the road. Numeric grades are way more desirable over authentic. If keeping for life then by all means do what makes you happy.

[RufussCkingston]

Authentic can be altered, but not significantly to where it needs to be stated, not maliciously or with intent to deceive. Authentic Altered means that it was significantly altered to where it needs to be called out (which I guess is what cards flattened in screw-down holders would fall under, usually innocent, but could have been to press out a crease), or altered in a way to deceive, as in get the card to appear in better condition (this is where trimming would fall under)

[Charts]

Agreed, very cloudy/confusing. What’s throwing me off is they’ve sold for big money. My first reaction is stay away 🤷#@♂️

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by RufussCkingston

Authentic can be altered, but not significantly to where it needs to be stated, not maliciously or with intent to deceive. Authentic Altered means that it was significantly altered to where it needs to be called out (which I guess is what cards flattened in screw-down holders would fall under, usually innocent, but could have been to press out a crease), or altered in a way to deceive, as in get the card to appear in better condition (this is where trimming would fall under)

https://www.psacard.com/resources/gradingstandards

Read again, you are wrong. The definition directly contradicts what you wrote.

[Charts]

What’s your take on it? When reading the psa website it seems bad. If I’m no mistaken the pop on the card is 159 and almost half are graded authentic and still sell for big money. Wtf is up with this card!?? Lol. Can Someone explain?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Charts

What’s your take on it? When reading the psa website it seems bad. If I’m no mistaken the pop on the card is 159 and almost half are graded authentic and still sell for big money. Wtf is up with this card!?? Lol. Can Someone explain?

Only buy an authentic if:
1. You don’t care if it’s altered.
2. You don’t care what the PSA label says because you are confident that it isn’t altered.

[Charts]

Thanks fair enough. So psa grades know altered cards? I would just assume they’d send it back in slabbed etc. sorry for all the questions. Just seems like there is a lot to know in this hobby and many ways you can get screwed over if you don’t know your #@#@#@#@

[Charts]

*known altered cards

[aggie4ever]

Specifically for a Brady Contenders RC, many won't get a number grade from PSA because they don't meet the minimum size requirements, so they are slabbed as AUTHENTIC instead.

[Charts]

Originally Posted by aggie4ever

Specifically for a Brady Contenders RC, many won't get a number grade from PSA because they don't meet the minimum size requirements, so they are slabbed as AUTHENTIC instead.

So who the heck would spend big money on a trimmed/cut card?

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Charts

So who the heck would spend big money on a trimmed/cut card?

Well it’s the GOAT and his only NFL licensed rookie autograph card from an iconic set. In the case of the Contenders a lot were cut short from the factory but PSA can’t excuse it or make an exception so they must grade it accordingly to their standards.

[RufussCkingston]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

https://www.psacard.com/resources/gradingstandards

Read again, you are wrong. The definition directly contradicts what you wrote.

Go figure... Seems kind of odd, but might be a legal catch-all in the sense that it is altered, we don't think it was to be malicious or deceive, but since we can't know for sure, it might be malicious!

[Charts]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Well it’s the GOAT and his only NFL licensed rookie autograph card from an iconic set. In the case of the Contenders a lot were cut short from the factory but PSA can’t excuse it or make an exception so they must grade it accordingly to their standards.

Very Interesting. Thanks for the info

[oplum29]

what a good thread. i learned a lot. good stuff fellas. i always wondered the same thing about the Brady cards and why so many were always graded as "Authentic" only, but no grade on them.

that never made sense to me.

but if what Hellcat is saying is true, and Playoff cut some of these cards short, then that makes sense that it would only get the "Authentication" label.

since PSA i guess cannot verify that the card has been trimmed or altered, it gets that grade instead of the dreaded "Authentic Altered" grade, which would just kill the value of the card.

[DaveedTO]

"Tom Brady Rookie Card Appears Altered; $54,000 Sale Voided
August 22, 2022 By Rich Mueller
A sale of an expensive modern football card has been voided and a buyer may have avoided an expensive mistake."

Article from Sports Collectors Daily

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...h-rookie-card/

https://www.psacard.com/cert/55540104
The certification number provided, #55540104, was intentionally DEACTIVATED on 2/14/2023 in the PSA database.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/65308607
The certification number provided was not found in the database.

PSA8 Brady Contenders (cert# 65308607) was TRIMMED (left edge)




"The video posted by Something Sportscards offered evidence the two cards were the same including matching Brady signatures and several small print flaws, some of which had somehow been concealed after the initial grade of 6 was awarded. With those edge and print flaws mitigated the card received a higher grade when it was apparently submitted again."

[auburn35]

^ I was wondering when PSA would get around to deactivating the "before". Thanks for the update.

[shorne07]

This probably doesn’t help much to the conversation at all, but I request the authentic label on my 1/1s and grade the autos when submitting to PSA. Just feel that anything below a 10 may take away from it being a 1/1

[RufussCkingston]

Originally Posted by shorne07

This probably doesn’t help much to the conversation at all, but I request the authentic label on my 1/1s and grade the autos when submitting to PSA. Just feel that anything below a 10 may take away from it being a 1/1

You should ask in the notes that if it does not grade 10, to grade as authentic, that way you might get lucky.