movies_n_more777 Fake Slabs & Deactivtions

DragonWagon · 01-20-2023, 07:09 AM

movies_n_more777 https://www.ebay.com/usr/movies_n_more777

Possibly cracking slabs, using labels to create "new" slabs with inferior cards. He has sold dozens of items totaling over $10K. Bypassing eBay Authenticity by selling lots.

All cards are added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

Lot #1 Total $2,899.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11562385671...p2047675.l2557
1986 Michael Jordan #56 Fleer PSA 1.5 cert# 63555567
1986 Clyde Drexler #26 Fleer PSA 9 cert# 64854110

Lot #2 Total $1,599.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11562310023...p2047675.l2557
1960 Carl Yastremski #148 Topps PSA 7 cert# 27414660 & cert# 27556505

Lot #3 Total $449.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11559965342...p2047675.l2557

1975 Darrel Chaney #581 Topps PSA 10 cert# 63162828 and PSA 9 cert# 6484099

Lot #4 Total $399.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11559970771...p2047675.l2557

1959 Sandy Koufax #163 Topps PSA 6 cert# 27642966

Lot #5 Total $699.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11557234593...p2047675.l2557

1975 George Brett #228 Topps PSA 8 cert# 41102430

Lot #6 Total $1,999.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11557994220...p2047675.l2557

1962 Mickey Mantle #200 Topps PSA 5 cert# 65273778

Lot #7 Total $2,999.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11558986649...p2047675.l2557

1963 Pete Rose #537 Topps PSA 3 cert# 64827097
1959 Hank Aaron #380 Topps PSA 7 cert# 65963946

Lot #8 Total $1,800
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11558224641...p2047675.l2557

1959 Ted Kluszewski #35 PSA 8 cert# 41170540
1958 Ernie Banks #310 PSA 7 cert# 18707386
1964 Frank Robinson #260 PSA 8 cert# 17164129
1964 Don Drysdale #120 PSA 8 cert# 64695436
1958 Harmon Killebrew #288 PSA 8 cert# 21835681

mjohnatgt · 01-20-2023, 07:28 AM

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

NYRE2PECT · 01-20-2023, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

movies_n_more777 https://www.ebay.com/usr/movies_n_more777

Possibly cracking slabs, using labels to create "new" slabs with inferior cards. He has sold dozens of items totaling over $10K. Bypassing eBay Authenticity by selling lots.

All cards are added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

Lot #1 Total $2,899.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11562385671...p2047675.l2557
1986 Michael Jordan #56 Fleer PSA 1.5 cert# 63555567
1986 Clyde Drexler #26 Fleer PSA 9 cert# 64854110

Lot #2 Total $1,599.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11562310023...p2047675.l2557
1960 Carl Yastremski #148 Topps PSA 7 cert# 27414660 & cert# 27556505

Lot #3 Total $449.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11559965342...p2047675.l2557

1975 Darrel Chaney #581 Topps PSA 10 cert# 63162828 and PSA 9 cert# 6484099

Lot #4 Total $399.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11559970771...p2047675.l2557

1959 Sandy Koufax #163 Topps PSA 6 cert# 27642966

Lot #5 Total $699.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11557234593...p2047675.l2557

1975 George Brett #228 Topps PSA 8 cert# 41102430

Lot #6 Total $1,999.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11557994220...p2047675.l2557

1962 Mickey Mantle #200 Topps PSA 5 cert# 65273778

Lot #7 Total $2,999.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11558986649...p2047675.l2557

1963 Pete Rose #537 Topps PSA 3 cert# 64827097
1959 Hank Aaron #380 Topps PSA 7 cert# 65963946

Lot #8 Total $1,800
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11558224641...p2047675.l2557

1959 Ted Kluszewski #35 PSA 8 cert# 41170540
1958 Ernie Banks #310 PSA 7 cert# 18707386
1964 Frank Robinson #260 PSA 8 cert# 17164129
1964 Don Drysdale #120 PSA 8 cert# 64695436
1958 Harmon Killebrew #288 PSA 8 cert# 21835681

Nice find(s)...unreal.

fabiani12333 · 01-20-2023, 08:59 AM

That's crazy. eBay Authentication is a joke until they plug this loophole -- scammers won't be deterred from exploiting it.

MoreToppsPlease · 01-20-2023, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

That's crazy. eBay Authentication is a joke until they plug this loophole -- scammers won't be deterred from exploiting it.

Odd take as the issue is PSA

fabiani12333 · 01-20-2023, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Odd take as the issue is PSA

No -- it's eBay. They set the policy on what to do with miscategorized lots. They contracted/partnered with PSA to authenticate -- it's eBay's program.

eBay needs to tell PSA to send lots back to the seller. PSA is reshipping items regardless.

Silent George · 01-20-2023, 09:21 AM

great work

notfast · 01-20-2023, 09:29 AM

Tried to tell the dude with the yaz what happened on Twitter but he didn’t want to listen.

BonVoyage · 01-20-2023, 09:33 AM

Did the seller take down their sports cards? I don't see any listed anymore

Nester99 · 01-20-2023, 09:36 AM

Wow great work Batman

Triple B · 01-20-2023, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Odd take as the issue is PSA

No, it's not. Are you going to blame all of the China knockoffs of other products on the companies making the legitimate items, or the people in China making the knockoffs?

This is a failure on eBay's part to not have their program find things hiding in plain sight.

KhalDrogo · 01-20-2023, 09:48 AM

Pretty easy scam sadly. Just need a decent printer. Can mask everything with poor quality images taken at deceptive angles.

dfenno · 01-20-2023, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

That's crazy. eBay Authentication is a joke until they plug this loophole -- scammers won't be deterred from exploiting it.

I actually read this as an indication that their authentication program is working. Scammers gonna scam, but having it pushed into lots that don’t really make sense to be sold that way makes it easier to both avoid and to identify the the scammers.

Hopefully they do close the loophole but I am encouraged that they are making good progress.

REGGIE206 · 01-20-2023, 10:16 AM

People like this just ruins the hobby

KhalDrogo · 01-20-2023, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfenno

I actually read this as an indication that their authentication program is working. Scammers gonna scam, but having it pushed into lots that don’t really make sense to be sold that way makes it easier to both avoid and to identify the the scammers.

Hopefully they do close the loophole but I am encouraged that they are making good progress.

But you realize how ignorant your average eBay user is, right? And with how often the AG rules have changed without any notice, it’s no wonder people get fooled. They see the AG logo, and think they are covered.

People are morons. eBay should protect the morons from themselves. But they are rewarding scammer sellers who are taking advantage of the system by passing through the sale. If the item gets to PSA or CSG and is miscategorized, the sale should be voided.

MoreToppsPlease · 01-20-2023, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple B

No, it's not. Are you going to blame all of the China knockoffs of other products on the companies making the legitimate items, or the people in China making the knockoffs?

This is a failure on eBay's part to not have their program find things hiding in plain sight.

When said company’s business is authentication and protection, of course the answer is always going to be yes.

Triple B · 01-20-2023, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

When said company’s business is authentication and protection, of course the answer is always going to be yes.

You’re letting your hate for PSA dominate your common sense.

Sonnys88 · 01-20-2023, 10:29 AM

In these scenarios, eBay / PSA does include an insert with the shipment that the item(s) were NOT Authenticated as they were mis-categorized. A buyer has the option to return the lot for a full refund up to 3 days after receiving the unauthenticated item.

This is exactly why the eBay authentication program exists and why I am 100% for it. There are more fake / counterfeit slabs out there than you can imagine. And there are obviously many buyers who can't tell the difference between an authentic slab and a fake one.

eBay is damned if they do and damned if they don't when it comes to trying to help police transactions. A lot of that stems from buyers and sellers not comprehending exactly how the authentication program works.

MoreToppsPlease · 01-20-2023, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfenno

I actually read this as an indication that their authentication program is working. Scammers gonna scam, but having it pushed into lots that don’t really make sense to be sold that way makes it easier to both avoid and to identify the the scammers.

Hopefully they do close the loophole but I am encouraged that they are making good progress.

Yes, definitely this. Without the program a lot containing X counterfeits would be affecting X customers instead of just one.

KhalDrogo · 01-20-2023, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonnys88

In these scenarios, eBay / PSA does include an insert with the shipment that the item(s) were NOT Authenticated as they were mis-categorized. A buyer has the option to return the lot for a full refund up to 3 days after receiving the unauthenticated item.

This is exactly why the eBay authentication program exists and why I am 100% for it. There are more fake / counterfeit slabs out there than you can imagine. And there are obviously many buyers who can't tell the difference between an authentic slab and a fake one.

eBay is damned if they do and damned if they don't when it comes to trying to help police transactions. A lot of that stems from buyers and sellers not comprehending exactly how the authentication program works.

They are not damned if they void the sale on the basis of the seller intentionally circumventing the program, and misleading the buyer.

eBay will never do that because that would be more sales they are voiding, and less revenue for them.

MoreToppsPlease · 01-20-2023, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple B

You’re letting your hate for PSA dominate your common sense.

Your love is dominating your common sense. Any company whose entire purpose is to protect and inform customers can’t, they’re simply not doing their job by definition.

StateEx · 01-20-2023, 10:38 AM

This is great detective work. Your posts are "must reads." Three observations:

1. I'm surprised he's had such good luck cracking cases. I have yet to manage it without having the slab crack.

2. I think both PSA and eBay have an obligation to adapt to prevent this sort of scam, whether it's by preventing the AG logo from appearing on lots or something else, because....

3. Better fakes hurt the whole hobby. It sucks that people have to ruin everything.

superdan49 · 01-20-2023, 10:41 AM

Great work exposing this, Dragon.

PSA should be able to find out this guy's identity pretty easily. I assume he then regrades the cracked out cards.

fabiani12333 · 01-20-2023, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

When said company’s business is authentication and protection, of course the answer is always going to be yes.

eBay isn't contracting PSA to authenticate lots -- that's why these cards weren't authenticated.

If your argument is they should authenticate every PSA slab in their possession -- that's fine; but they aren't being paid for it.

fabiani12333 · 01-20-2023, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfenno

I actually read this as an indication that their authentication program is working. Scammers gonna scam, but having it pushed into lots that don’t really make sense to be sold that way makes it easier to both avoid and to identify the the scammers.

Hopefully they do close the loophole but I am encouraged that they are making good progress.

The problem is miscategorized lots by scammers have the authentication seal in the listing, causing buyers to get deceived. Therefore eBay is assisting in the scams.

01-20-2023, 10:41 AM	#23
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,228	Great work exposing this, Dragon. PSA should be able to find out this guy's identity pretty easily. I assume he then regrades the cracked out cards. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

01-20-2023, 07:09 AM	#1
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 801	movies_n_more777 Fake Slabs & Deactivtions movies_n_more777 https://www.ebay.com/usr/movies_n_more777 Possibly cracking slabs, using labels to create "new" slabs with inferior cards. He has sold dozens of items totaling over $10K. Bypassing eBay Authenticity by selling lots. All cards are added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database Lot #1 Total $2,899.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11562385671...p2047675.l2557 1986 Michael Jordan #56 Fleer PSA 1.5 cert# 63555567 1986 Clyde Drexler #26 Fleer PSA 9 cert# 64854110 Lot #2 Total $1,599.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11562310023...p2047675.l2557 1960 Carl Yastremski #148 Topps PSA 7 cert# 27414660 & cert# 27556505 Lot #3 Total $449.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11559965342...p2047675.l2557 1975 Darrel Chaney #581 Topps PSA 10 cert# 63162828 and PSA 9 cert# 6484099 Lot #4 Total $399.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11559970771...p2047675.l2557 1959 Sandy Koufax #163 Topps PSA 6 cert# 27642966 Lot #5 Total $699.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11557234593...p2047675.l2557 1975 George Brett #228 Topps PSA 8 cert# 41102430 Lot #6 Total $1,999.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11557994220...p2047675.l2557 1962 Mickey Mantle #200 Topps PSA 5 cert# 65273778 Lot #7 Total $2,999.99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11558986649...p2047675.l2557 1963 Pete Rose #537 Topps PSA 3 cert# 64827097 1959 Hank Aaron #380 Topps PSA 7 cert# 65963946 Lot #8 Total $1,800 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11558224641...p2047675.l2557 1959 Ted Kluszewski #35 PSA 8 cert# 41170540 1958 Ernie Banks #310 PSA 7 cert# 18707386 1964 Frank Robinson #260 PSA 8 cert# 17164129 1964 Don Drysdale #120 PSA 8 cert# 64695436 1958 Harmon Killebrew #288 PSA 8 cert# 21835681

01-20-2023, 07:28 AM	#2
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 13,788 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Interesting. Thanks for posting. __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------- Grab Bag Sketch Draft picks 4: Borkofsky Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen auto custom card, 78: Saldajeno 2 AP Epic Battles - Superman, 90: Huty 1 Batman

01-20-2023, 08:59 AM	#4
fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 8,859	That's crazy. eBay Authentication is a joke until they plug this loophole -- scammers won't be deterred from exploiting it.

01-20-2023, 09:21 AM	#7
Silent George Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,134	great work

01-20-2023, 09:29 AM	#8
notfast Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: MD Posts: 3,835	Tried to tell the dude with the yaz what happened on Twitter but he didn’t want to listen.

01-20-2023, 09:33 AM	#9
BonVoyage Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1,914	Did the seller take down their sports cards? I don't see any listed anymore

01-20-2023, 09:36 AM	#10
Nester99 Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 683	Wow great work Batman

01-20-2023, 09:48 AM	#12
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 38,818	Pretty easy scam sadly. Just need a decent printer. Can mask everything with poor quality images taken at deceptive angles. __________________ I love PSA!

01-20-2023, 10:16 AM	#14
REGGIE206 Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Mukilteo, WA (hometown: Vallejo, CA) Posts: 9,228	People like this just ruins the hobby

01-20-2023, 10:29 AM	#18
Sonnys88 Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 595 Sonnys88	In these scenarios, eBay / PSA does include an insert with the shipment that the item(s) were NOT Authenticated as they were mis-categorized. A buyer has the option to return the lot for a full refund up to 3 days after receiving the unauthenticated item. This is exactly why the eBay authentication program exists and why I am 100% for it. There are more fake / counterfeit slabs out there than you can imagine. And there are obviously many buyers who can't tell the difference between an authentic slab and a fake one. eBay is damned if they do and damned if they don't when it comes to trying to help police transactions. A lot of that stems from buyers and sellers not comprehending exactly how the authentication program works.

01-20-2023, 10:38 AM	#22
StateEx Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 814	This is great detective work. Your posts are "must reads." Three observations: 1. I'm surprised he's had such good luck cracking cases. I have yet to manage it without having the slab crack. 2. I think both PSA and eBay have an obligation to adapt to prevent this sort of scam, whether it's by preventing the AG logo from appearing on lots or something else, because.... 3. Better fakes hurt the whole hobby. It sucks that people have to ruin everything.