Where does Jagr Rank All Time?

sportsyard · 02-06-2023, 08:07 PM

With Jagr passing Gretzky for all time professional league goals scored, its interesting to look at his career and ask where does he stand? His longevity has been nothing short of amazing, could you compare him at this point to a modern age Gordie Howe and now firmly as a top 7 all time player?

PejaD · 02-06-2023, 10:44 PM

Nah. Howe played a full season in the NHL in his early 50's. Czech Extraliga might slightly be better than the AHL, and Jagr has only played in ~20 games this season.

Jagr is still top 10 IMO, but not in the same league as Mr. Hockey.

mfw13 · 02-06-2023, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PejaD

Jagr is still top 10 IMO, but not in the same league as Mr. Hockey.

Jagr had the better hair, but his reputation has suffered a bit from jumping around from team to team after his comeback in 11-12.....

Mr. Hockey will always be an icon.....Jagr not so much.

Giroux · 02-07-2023, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Jagr had the better hair, but his reputation has suffered a bit from jumping around from team to team after his comeback in 11-12.....

Mr. Hockey will always be an icon.....Jagr not so much.

Jaromir Jagr is certainly an icon...

valleynuckfan · 02-07-2023, 10:28 AM

Top 10 but debatable as to where he slots in.

mfw13 · 02-07-2023, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Giroux

Jaromir Jagr is certainly an icon...

But not on the level of guys like Howe, Orr, Gretzky, or even his team-mate Lemieux.

DontToewsMeBro · 02-07-2023, 11:54 AM

Definitely not top 10 all-time
An argumant can be made for closer to lower end top 20 like 18 or 19
I'd put him around 22-25

rohara99 · 02-07-2023, 01:09 PM

Jagr is most definitely top 10 of all time.

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Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Definitely not top 10 all-time
An argumant can be made for closer to lower end top 20 like 18 or 19
I'd put him around 22-25

Pens or Flyers fan? LOL

discostu · 02-07-2023, 01:36 PM

The Athletic just wrapped up their NHL99: A project ranking the greatest players in modern NHL history project and while there are clear limitations (like disregarding the Original Six era), it's a solid attempt.

Jagr appears #5, below Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr and Crosby.

Just above Ovechkin, Hasek Lidstrom, Esposito and Bourque at #10.

All in all, I actually like the logic behind the rankings, even though we'll never agree on order.

sportsyard · 02-07-2023, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

The Athletic just wrapped up their NHL99: A project ranking the greatest players in modern NHL history project and while there are clear limitations (like disregarding the Original Six era), it's a solid attempt.

Jagr appears #5, below Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr and Crosby.

Just above Ovechkin, Hasek Lidstrom, Esposito and Bourque at #10.

All in all, I actually like the logic behind the rankings, even though we'll never agree on order.

I completely agree, thats where I have him

Giroux · 02-07-2023, 09:21 PM

Easily top 10...

ZappBrannigan · 02-07-2023, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Definitely not top 10 all-time
An argumant can be made for closer to lower end top 20 like 18 or 19
I'd put him around 22-25

This would be the correct answer.

sportsyard · 02-07-2023, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZappBrannigan

This would be the correct answer.

are you actually trying to be serious? how

ZappBrannigan · 02-07-2023, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsyard

are you actually trying to be serious? how

Think he’d be in the 10-20 and above 15.

CanadianKid · 02-07-2023, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZappBrannigan

Think he’d be in the 10-20 and above 15.

So 10-14

sportsyard · 02-07-2023, 11:35 PM

there is not 10 better players all time then Jagr, im sorry thats a bad take to say he is above 15.

Starman101 · 02-08-2023, 12:48 AM

That's a tough one

It's really an argument of 5-10 as we all know who the top 4 are

Prime vs prime I actually have Jagr over Crosby. All time as well too.

If I could add goalies I very well may have Hasek at #5. I have him as the goalie GOAT. I def put Lidstrom up there (even over Bourque) and Ovechkin too if he breaks the record. Mark Messier, Maurice Richard, Steve Yzerman. They're all up there too imo...

It's very difficult but I notice people are automatically putting Crosby I#5 and I don't have him over Jagr though not that far behind either.

Jagr dominated the late 90s and was a more dominant player imo

Very difficult but I will say that Jagr doesn't seem to get all the hype Crosby does. But if you look at his career accomplishments he really should

Like Howe Jagr extremely strong on his skates attributes to his goal scoring prowess

Starman101 · 02-08-2023, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Definitely not top 10 all-time
An argumant can be made for closer to lower end top 20 like 18 or 19
I'd put him around 22-25

It's all subjective but I just can't agree with this at all

JeremyNick · 02-08-2023, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Starman101

That's a tough one

It's really an argument of 5-10 as we all know who the top 4 are

Prime vs prime I actually have Jagr over Crosby. All time as well too.

If I could add goalies I very well may have Hasek at #5. I have him as the goalie GOAT. I def put Lidstrom up there (even over Bourque) and Ovechkin too if he breaks the record. Mark Messier, Maurice Richard, Steve Yzerman. They're all up there too imo...

It's very difficult but I notice people are automatically putting Crosby I#5 and I don't have him over Jagr though not that far behind either.

Jagr dominated the late 90s and was a more dominant player imo

Very difficult but I will say that Jagr doesn't seem to get all the hype Crosby does. But if you look at his career accomplishments he really should

Like Howe Jagr extremely strong on his skates attributes to his goal scoring prowess

Jagr was always overshadowed by Mario and will always be.

Crosby is still a better player but that doesn’t knock what Jagr accomplished. I think Jagr had a case for top 10. Definitely top 15.

carlo16 · 02-08-2023, 09:24 AM

I don't get the Jagr disrespect although it's hard to consider being ranked top 20 all time disrespectful. One of the most dominating players in the history of the game. He played in in era that suppressed scoring and still has the all time numbers on his resume.
I'd love to hear 10 players excluding goalies that were better.

kellmuff · 02-08-2023, 09:33 AM

Easily Top 10 and I wouldnt argue with anyone that had him in their top 5 after the usual 4. People forget how dominant he was during one of the most defensive eras of hockey ever.

sportsyard · 02-08-2023, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kellmuff

Easily Top 10 and I wouldnt argue with anyone that had him in their top 5 after the usual 4. People forget how dominant he was during one of the most defensive eras of hockey ever.

we celebrate Lebron, Brady etc for incredible longevity. Jagr should be celebrated as well. He changed teams so much perhaps the casual fan doesn't recognize the accomplishments

rohara99 · 02-08-2023, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by carlo16

I'd love to hear 10 players excluding goalies that were better.

This.

Jagr at 16-20 is a joke.

valleynuckfan · 02-08-2023, 12:45 PM

Gretz, Mario, Orr and Howe are pretty much non-negotiable in the top 4 in some order.
Debatable after that for skaters #5 and up;
Crosby, Ovechkin, Lafleur, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Paul Coffey, Nick Lidstrom, Ray Bourque, Mike Bossy, The Rocket, Mark Messier, Steve Yzerman, Joe Sakic, Doug Harvey, Jean Beliveau, Brian Trottier, Ron Francis, Stan Mikita, Peter Stastny, Larry Robinson, Denis Potvin, Jari Kurri, Teemu Selanne, Evgeni Malkin, Brian Leetch, Sergei Fedorov, Brett Hull, Marcel Dionne, Patrick Kane, Steven Stamkos, Patrice Bergeron, Scott Niedermeyer...
Goalies- Hasek, Roy, Dryden, Brodeur, Sawchuk, Plante.
Current guys like McJesus, Matthews, Mackinnon, Makar etc. should be left out since they are maybe half way into their careers at most but will definitely change the landscape in years to come.
I think that Jaromir Jagr at #5-10 isn't out of the question but there are a lot of other ATGs that had storied careers and incredible skill-sets.
For instance I don't think that Pittsburgh wins any Cups in the 90s without Ron Francis and Brian Trottier to carry the load at center leaving Mario and Jags to do their things.
Peter Stastny is completely under rated. He was an offensive wizard and second only to Wayne for points scored in the 1980s.
I'd even put Paul Coffey at #2 greatest D-Man behind Orr and ahead of Lidstrom.
Very fun debate depending upon perspective.

kellmuff · 02-08-2023, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsyard

we celebrate Lebron, Brady etc for incredible longevity. Jagr should be celebrated as well. He changed teams so much perhaps the casual fan doesn't recognize the accomplishments

I think it's more that he wasnt really around/dominant in the social media age when everyone under 30 became hockey fans etc. They didnt see peak Jagr scoring 120 a year in the dead puck era

02-07-2023, 01:36 PM	#9
discostu Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 7,990	The Athletic just wrapped up their NHL99: A project ranking the greatest players in modern NHL history project and while there are clear limitations (like disregarding the Original Six era), it's a solid attempt. Jagr appears #5, below Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr and Crosby. Just above Ovechkin, Hasek Lidstrom, Esposito and Bourque at #10. All in all, I actually like the logic behind the rankings, even though we'll never agree on order. __________________ Every day I start to ooze.

02-07-2023, 11:35 PM	#16
sportsyard Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 669	there is not 10 better players all time then Jagr, im sorry thats a bad take to say he is above 15. __________________ The #1 Fraud in the Card Industry is Card Ladder. Read this thread. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1523482

02-08-2023, 12:48 AM	#17
Starman101 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,894	That's a tough one It's really an argument of 5-10 as we all know who the top 4 are Prime vs prime I actually have Jagr over Crosby. All time as well too. If I could add goalies I very well may have Hasek at #5. I have him as the goalie GOAT. I def put Lidstrom up there (even over Bourque) and Ovechkin too if he breaks the record. Mark Messier, Maurice Richard, Steve Yzerman. They're all up there too imo... It's very difficult but I notice people are automatically putting Crosby I#5 and I don't have him over Jagr though not that far behind either. Jagr dominated the late 90s and was a more dominant player imo Very difficult but I will say that Jagr doesn't seem to get all the hype Crosby does. But if you look at his career accomplishments he really should Like Howe Jagr extremely strong on his skates attributes to his goal scoring prowess Last edited by Starman101; 02-08-2023 at 01:02 AM.

02-06-2023, 08:07 PM	#1
sportsyard Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 669	Where does Jagr Rank All Time? With Jagr passing Gretzky for all time professional league goals scored, its interesting to look at his career and ask where does he stand? His longevity has been nothing short of amazing, could you compare him at this point to a modern age Gordie Howe and now firmly as a top 7 all time player? __________________ The #1 Fraud in the Card Industry is Card Ladder. Read this thread. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1523482

02-06-2023, 10:44 PM	#2
PejaD Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 4,064	Nah. Howe played a full season in the NHL in his early 50's. Czech Extraliga might slightly be better than the AHL, and Jagr has only played in ~20 games this season. Jagr is still top 10 IMO, but not in the same league as Mr. Hockey.

02-07-2023, 10:28 AM	#5
valleynuckfan Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Upper Cascadia Posts: 3,596 bcsean	Top 10 but debatable as to where he slots in.

02-07-2023, 11:54 AM	#7
DontToewsMeBro Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Proudly Canadian, eh Posts: 3,681 centurion-collectibles	Definitely not top 10 all-time An argumant can be made for closer to lower end top 20 like 18 or 19 I'd put him around 22-25

02-07-2023, 09:21 PM	#11
Giroux Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: USA Posts: 4,888 cardsgoingup	Easily top 10...

02-08-2023, 09:24 AM	#20
carlo16 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,201	I don't get the Jagr disrespect although it's hard to consider being ranked top 20 all time disrespectful. One of the most dominating players in the history of the game. He played in in era that suppressed scoring and still has the all time numbers on his resume. I'd love to hear 10 players excluding goalies that were better.

02-08-2023, 09:33 AM	#21
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,345	Easily Top 10 and I wouldnt argue with anyone that had him in their top 5 after the usual 4. People forget how dominant he was during one of the most defensive eras of hockey ever.

02-08-2023, 12:45 PM	#24
valleynuckfan Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Upper Cascadia Posts: 3,596 bcsean	Gretz, Mario, Orr and Howe are pretty much non-negotiable in the top 4 in some order. Debatable after that for skaters #5 and up; Crosby, Ovechkin, Lafleur, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Paul Coffey, Nick Lidstrom, Ray Bourque, Mike Bossy, The Rocket, Mark Messier, Steve Yzerman, Joe Sakic, Doug Harvey, Jean Beliveau, Brian Trottier, Ron Francis, Stan Mikita, Peter Stastny, Larry Robinson, Denis Potvin, Jari Kurri, Teemu Selanne, Evgeni Malkin, Brian Leetch, Sergei Fedorov, Brett Hull, Marcel Dionne, Patrick Kane, Steven Stamkos, Patrice Bergeron, Scott Niedermeyer... Goalies- Hasek, Roy, Dryden, Brodeur, Sawchuk, Plante. Current guys like McJesus, Matthews, Mackinnon, Makar etc. should be left out since they are maybe half way into their careers at most but will definitely change the landscape in years to come. I think that Jaromir Jagr at #5-10 isn't out of the question but there are a lot of other ATGs that had storied careers and incredible skill-sets. For instance I don't think that Pittsburgh wins any Cups in the 90s without Ron Francis and Brian Trottier to carry the load at center leaving Mario and Jags to do their things. Peter Stastny is completely under rated. He was an offensive wizard and second only to Wayne for points scored in the 1980s. I'd even put Paul Coffey at #2 greatest D-Man behind Orr and ahead of Lidstrom. Very fun debate depending upon perspective.