Are Mantle cards weathering the card dip?

[jcard71]

Seems like Mantle is crash-proof?

[smanzari]

Most vintage seems unaffected (at least on a Non-Ultra High-End Level), seems Modern/Ultra-Modern (specifically "junk slabs") got hit hardest

[discodanman45]

Vintage is being pushed by the investors and flippers right now. All the big names continue to hold value or increase. I haven't been buying much recently because of the prices and people picking up the good deals that used to be available.

[tconte]

Originally Posted by jcard71

Seems like Mantle is crash-proof?

I've seen some very small dips on 1960's Mantles in the grades I collect
3-7 grade. Maybe 3-5% that I noticed about a month or so ago.

I've also cooled my buying by being more selective. Prices seem to
be pushed up a lot by the flippers right now looking for the next sure
thing.

[oplum29]

so people finally have come to the dark side....err the vintage side then?

[smackvay]

Ive quit buying as i cant get used to the spike in prices
Id sell most of my vintage if i knew a safe way to do it. My mantle run would be kept

[Diver757]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Vintage is being pushed by the investors and flippers right now. All the big names continue to hold value or increase. I haven't been buying much recently because of the prices and people picking up the good deals that used to be available.

Tough prices on vintage right now. Watch a Greg Morris auction on eBay and just silently shake your head.

[ironfireman]

Originally Posted by Diver757

Tough prices on vintage right now. Watch a Greg Morris auction on eBay and just silently shake your head.

GM always gets premium $$$. Though some lower grade and multiples can slip through.

They usuaully run all low grade vintage on Friday nights. You could let your purchases ride for up to 4 weeks or till you had 40 cards to save on combined shipping. They always grade conservatively so some G-VG looks nice to me.

[Diver757]

Originally Posted by ironfireman

GM always gets premium $$$. Though some lower grade and multiples can slip through.

They usuaully run all low grade vintage on Friday nights. You could let your purchases ride for up to 4 weeks or till you had 40 cards to save on combined shipping. They always grade conservatively so some G-VG looks nice to me.

GM is nice when buying multiple cards over several auctions, I also think he grades very conservatively. It just seems like there are always 10 people bidding on a card that I want. I do feel like if you get in early enough on a card that just starts that seems to help a bit.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by ironfireman

GM always gets premium $$$. Though some lower grade and multiples can slip through.

They usuaully run all low grade vintage on Friday nights. You could let your purchases ride for up to 4 weeks or till you had 40 cards to save on combined shipping. They always grade conservatively so some G-VG looks nice to me.

There is only one vintage eBay site I constantly buy through. oldbbcards on eBay sometimes I really like and use often. Their prices may not seem great, but they have free shipping, and they have 20% off of $50. If you see a card for $60 on their eBay site, it is really $48. They have been really good about identifying any type of crease on vintage cards. They are also no nonsense about listing. They give an image of the front and back, give you the card name in the description, and tell you things like, "card has no crease."

[jchcollins]

Non high-end Mantles might fluctuate here and there, but if cards were to dip permanently - that would be a first in more than 5 decades of the retail hobby now. It sounds like a joke, but he's as proven an investment as virtually anything.

[MantleMarisFord]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Non high-end Mantles might fluctuate here and there, but if cards were to dip permanently - that would be a first in more than 5 decades of the retail hobby now. It sounds like a joke, but he's as proven an investment as virtually anything.

This is where I’m at as well. I don’t think there is a single name in the entire hobby with more staying power than Mantle. He is all alone at the very top of the mountain.

[Diver757]

Originally Posted by MantleMarisFord

This is where I’m at as well. I don’t think there is a single name in the entire hobby with more staying power than Mantle. He is all alone at the very top of the mountain.

It really is amazing. He retired 6 or 7 years before I was born, so I obviously never saw him play. My Dad liked him, and I can remember buying Mantle's at flea markets in the 80's that looked like they had been in the washer twice. They commanded good money then to. I need a 61 All Star for my set. Combining his name with a high # is brutal. I don't think there is a safer investment in the sports card collecting hobby for the average Joe than him.

[wilsonjust]

I'll know in a couple of weeks. Lol

Headed to a card show and hoping to pick up a 57, 58, or 59 Topps Mantle in the best PSA grade I can "afford".

Really leaning towards a 58.

[MantleMarisFord]

Originally Posted by wilsonjust

I'll know in a couple of weeks. Lol

Headed to a card show and hoping to pick up a 57, 58, or 59 Topps Mantle in the best PSA grade I can "afford".

Really leaning towards a 58.

I don’t think you can go wrong with any one of those cards. Be sure to post a pic of what one you pick up.

[VanLingoMungo46]

If it's a Mick. It's a Mick. It can be a Mick that someone's dog ate, or got ran through spokes, or got a beard drawn on it, or been encapsulated with a public hair. It's still a Mick.

A Mick is a Mick is a Mick.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by VanLingoMungo46

If it's a Mick. It's a Mick. It can be a Mick that someone's dog ate, or got ran through spokes, or got a beard drawn on it, or been encapsulated with a public hair. It's still a Mick.

A Mick is a Mick is a Mick.

pretty much.

[wilsonjust]

Originally Posted by MantleMarisFord

I don’t think you can go wrong with any one of those cards. Be sure to post a pic of what one you pick up.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/attach...1&d=1679520890

I ended up picking this 58 Mantle up. Really liked the centering and the color. I think this might start a trend of picking up at least one vintage card of Mantle/Mays/Aaron per show I attend.

[irv]

Originally Posted by wilsonjust

https://www.blowoutforums.com/attach...1&d=1679520890

I ended up picking this 58 Mantle up. Really liked the centering and the color. I think this might start a trend of picking up at least one vintage card of Mantle/Mays/Aaron per show I attend.

Great looking, Mantle.

[jaisonline]

Mantle cards will decline just like modern and long retired Rolex Daytona watches. They just have a much higher bottom than their counterparts. Just a matter of how long the declines will be & how long until they stabilize/ begin appreciation again.

Then we have some sellers trying to keep the floor above certain price points but that’s for a different thread.

[mfw13]

When you discuss topics like this, you need to separate the high-end graded stuff from everything else, because those are two very different markets.

Raw cards of superstars will continue to meander along slowly increasing in value, just like they always have.

High-end graded copies of said card will fluctuate significantly, as the premiums people are willing to pay for cards with high grades rises and falls with the economy at large.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Raw cards of superstars will continue to meander along slowly increasing in value, just like they always have.

I would have agreed with you two years ago, but not now. The ultra-modern grading flippers have gotten into vintage to buy raw, grade, and sell. This has really increased raw cards quite a bit the last year. My buying of raw has almost completely stopped because of this.

[jaisonline]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I would have agreed with you two years ago, but not now. The ultra-modern grading flippers have gotten into vintage to buy raw, grade, and sell. This has really increased raw cards quite a bit the last year. My buying of raw has almost completely stopped because of this.

I also see this trend. The last show I’ve been to had the least raw Mantles I’ve seen in decades. Many low graded ones through (especially 1960-1969) regardless of the # of creases and rounded corners.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I would have agreed with you two years ago, but not now. The ultra-modern grading flippers have gotten into vintage to buy raw, grade, and sell. This has really increased raw cards quite a bit the last year. My buying of raw has almost completely stopped because of this.

i think you're seeing more buying and grading of vintage more for the authenticity grade than anything, especially to ensure that the card isn't trimmed.

yes yes, i know about the whole PSA scandal.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i think you're seeing more buying and grading of vintage more for the authenticity grade than anything, especially to ensure that the card isn't trimmed.

yes yes, i know about the whole PSA scandal.

If people are depending on PSA/SGC/BGS/CSG to actually know if they can catch a trimmed card, then they are living in a fantasy land. No company can tell if a card is trimmed reliably unless it was done by someone for the first time. I have sent cards to PSA that were "min sized", then to CSG that were "evidence of trimming", and then given a grade by SGC. I then had cards that SGC said were altered and then sent to PSA and got a grade. The sad thing is if you have a professional trimmer, it is almost impossible to know. BODA finds altered trimmed cards, but you can't tell from looking at them. Even an expert wouldn't know. The reason these cards are caught is because of the print marks and card stock differences that act as a "fingerprint."