Are older cards really this worthless?

[Aug06]

Just picked this up just to have in my collection. I feel this was a good price for a PSA 8. I’ve picked a few PSA 8 cards up recently for under $10. Have older cards (70’s 80’s & 90’s) really lost value to collectors over the past 10 years or so?. I love picking these cards up at what I feel is a bargain price. I get some of these cards are from the “steroid era”….thoughts?.

I cannot seem to get the picture to download. Anyway, I just purchased a 87 Fleer Barry Bonds PSA 8 for $3.25 on eBay…shipping is $6.00 (a little high to me) total came to $9.81.

[SupermanBrandon]

Yes. You could've bought a raw one in the same or better condition for $2 shipped on eBay. Or .50 at a card show.

[Aug06]

Here is a picture.

[Aug06]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Yes. You could've bought a raw one in the same or better condition for $2 shipped on eBay. Or .50 at a card show.

True, if I wanted a raw version but I started collecting PSA 8 graded cards. So to buy one raw and send for grading would of cost me more in the end.

[ThoseBackPages]

great pickup!

[Astros19]

One man's worthless is another man's great pick up.
If you're happy with it that's what really matters.
That era, tons of cards were over produced, that's why it's "worth less" than others.

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[cardsin47]

“Are older cards really this worthless?“

It’s not the age / it’s the Card that determines value
Sounds like it’s for your PC - enjoy!

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Aug06

Just picked this up just to have in my collection. I feel this was a good price for a PSA 8. I’ve picked a few PSA 8 cards up recently for under $10. Have older cards (70’s 80’s & 90’s) really lost value to collectors over the past 10 years or so?. I love picking these cards up at what I feel is a bargain price. I get some of these cards are from the “steroid era”….thoughts?.

I cannot seem to get the picture to download. Anyway, I just purchased a 87 Fleer Barry Bonds PSA 8 for $3.25 on eBay…shipping is $6.00 (a little high to me) total came to $9.81.

Sounds like you overpaid by 300%

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by Aug06

Just picked this up just to have in my collection. I feel this was a good price for a PSA 8. I’ve picked a few PSA 8 cards up recently for under $10. Have older cards (70’s 80’s & 90’s) really lost value to collectors over the past 10 years or so?. I love picking these cards up at what I feel is a bargain price. I get some of these cards are from the “steroid era”….thoughts?.

I cannot seem to get the picture to download. Anyway, I just purchased a 87 Fleer Barry Bonds PSA 8 for $3.25 on eBay…shipping is $6.00 (a little high to me) total came to $9.81.

Barry's rookie is 86, so you basically bought a 2nd year card that in a PSA 8, is as good as a raw card, for $3.25.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by oplum29

Barry's rookie is 86, so you basically bought a 2nd year card that in a PSA 8, is as good as a raw card, for $3.25.

Those are XRC's. All of the 87 cards are RC's.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by oplum29

Barry's rookie is 86, so you basically bought a 2nd year card that in a PSA 8, is as good as a raw card, for $3.25.

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Those are XRC's. All of the 87 cards are RC's.

Barry’s true rookie card is in 2021 Fleer’s Best.

[discodanman45]

If you like this era of cards, got on COMC and have some fun! These are all $0.75 to $1.50 purchases I made on COMC and spent $10 to get graded. Love to grade 70's, 80's cards that I know that are special.



Here are some slabbed purchases on COMC I made. The Bonds was $14. Sanders was $10.10, Branch RC was $16.40, and Aikman was $11



This hobby is about having fun and collecting what you want. Let people grade cards and lose money selling you the beautiful 8/9's.

[BBases31]

Honestly, it's not just about how much they printed, but 70s and 80s designs are the ugliest and most boring of any decade of baseball

[Jolten Joe]

I could be wrong but I feel 40-50 yrs down the line commons from the junk wax era and even from ultra modern stuff now in a PSA 10 will be worth a nice profit ( $20-$30 ) for a card right now raw that you can't get $.35. Yes print run is through the roof but a large percentage end up in the trash also.

That said anybody who thinks anything post 86 or 87 will bring 1960's and 1970's prices are fooling themselves. Vintage prices other than the big HOF Rc's from that period have pretty much stabilized in price and you don't see large spikes up or down in price like you do with Ultra Modern.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Honestly, it's not just about how much they printed, but 70s and 80s designs are the ugliest and most boring of any decade of baseball

Nope, it's about how much was printed.

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[Aug06]

Thanks for everyone’s thoughts. Maybe “worthless” wasn’t the right word. Maybe undesirable cards? I guess it comes down to what each person is willing to spend for their own collection.. I may of overpaid to some but I’m sure if I would of made a thread stating I was looking to buy a 87 fleer PSA 8 Barry Bonds and said I don’t want to pay more then $10 that nobody would of offered one up for me to buy…..so if anyone has another one for $10 delivered or under let me know. I would add another to my collection for that price.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by Aug06

Thanks for everyone’s thoughts. Maybe “worthless” wasn’t the right word. Maybe undesirable cards? I guess it comes down to what each person is willing to spend for their own collection.. I may of overpaid to some but I’m sure if I would of made a thread stating I was looking to buy a 87 fleer PSA 8 Barry Bonds and said I don’t want to pay more then $10 that nobody would of offered one up for me to buy…..so if anyone has another one for $10 delivered or under let me know. I would add another to my collection for that price.

The simple fact is that there are millions of them. Also, there are still countless unopened cases of products from the late-80s out there.

No one has any trouble finding all the 87 Fleer Bonds they want, or any other card from that era. The only true price fluctuation would come from high grades, and even those have dipped recently in most cases because the supply continues to increase.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Aug06

Thanks for everyone’s thoughts. Maybe “worthless” wasn’t the right word. Maybe undesirable cards? I guess it comes down to what each person is willing to spend for their own collection.. I may of overpaid to some but I’m sure if I would of made a thread stating I was looking to buy a 87 fleer PSA 8 Barry Bonds and said I don’t want to pay more then $10 that nobody would of offered one up for me to buy…..so if anyone has another one for $10 delivered or under let me know. I would add another to my collection for that price.

They are very desirable! And anyone who wants one has a lot of eager sellers looking to unload at a low price. It’s all about print run. Supply/demand.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Those are XRC's. All of the 87 cards are RC's.

those XRCs or not, the 86's are considered to be his "true rookies" either way.

i don't disagree with what you are saying, i know it's another unique situation, same with the John Smoltz rookie, but regardless of the fact, the 86' cards are considered his "true rookies", so the 87's are 2nd year cards. they aren't very valuable.

plus the steroids and junk wax era...so yeah, $3.25 for a PSA 8 is probably right.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Nope, it's about how much was printed.

Heritage has dropped hard every year because the 70s designs are boring and no one wants to pay a premium for them

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Heritage has dropped hard every year because the 70s designs are boring and no one wants to pay a premium for them

It's not the design. It's for the same reason, they put the print runs through the roof.

In 2015, a chrome refractor #d to 566 with a 100 card checklist was 1 in every 41 hobby packs.

This year, a chrome refractor #d to 573 with the same size checklist is 1 in 127 hobby packs.

More than triple the product out there while box prices are as high or higher kills a lot of interest.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by no10pin

It's not the design. It's for the same reason, they put the print runs through the roof.

In 2015, a chrome refractor #d to 566 with a 100 card checklist was 1 in every 41 hobby packs.

This year, a chrome refractor #d to 573 with the same size checklist is 1 in 127 hobby packs.

More than triple the product out there while box prices are as high or higher kills a lot of interest.

And yet Heritage prices are declining at a higher rate than other modern sets(with the small exception of red autos). It's because the design is boring and the only people interested in it are over 50

[larry25]

Originally Posted by oplum29

those XRCs or not, the 86's are considered to be his "true rookies" either way.

i don't disagree with what you are saying, i know it's another unique situation, same with the John Smoltz rookie, but regardless of the fact, the 86' cards are considered his "true rookies", so the 87's are 2nd year cards. they aren't very valuable.

plus the steroids and junk wax era...so yeah, $3.25 for a PSA 8 is probably right.

This is incorrect. Cards from update and traded sets have never been and will never be considered "true rookies," whatever that even means. The "true rookies" come out of the regular flagship sets, hence all the 1987 rookies for Barry. And besides, we're still calling Jordan's 1986 Fleer a rookie card, so there's also that.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by larry25

This is incorrect. Cards from update and traded sets have never been and will never be considered "true rookies," whatever that even means. The "true rookies" come out of the regular flagship sets, hence all the 1987 rookies for Barry. And besides, we're still calling Jordan's 1986 Fleer a rookie card, so there's also that.

again, i understand the XRC and regular RC...but you tell me which is more valuable? which is more desired?

an 86 Barry or 87 Barry?

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Barry’s true rookie card is in 2021 Fleer’s Best.

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