Opinions on this Mantle autograph

Astros19 · 08-09-2023, 02:21 PM

Title says it all.

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nera20 · 08-09-2023, 02:22 PM

looks pretty fake

free2131 · 08-09-2023, 02:24 PM

Weren't his very early autos sort of like that? I can't say one way or another about authenticity, but I do think his signature changed after a year or two.

Yeah, here's a PSA authenticated early sig. Doesn't look like it matches up.

glen87 · 08-09-2023, 02:27 PM

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...aphs-forgeries

1950's

Seitas · 08-09-2023, 02:30 PM

Doesn’t look right to me. The early autos had ‘wings’ on both M’s. And the M’s were never connected to the rest of his name like it is in this example.

towerymt · 08-09-2023, 02:30 PM

The Y ending straight down, and the 'c' running into 'k' makes it look wrong to me.

towerymt · 08-09-2023, 02:31 PM

https://www.psacard.com/autographfac...ntle/images/29

Astros19 · 08-09-2023, 03:07 PM

Here's the rest of the story.
I lady friend in her 60's posted this on Facebook and to be honest I have no reason to doubt her story.
She lost her father a few months ago and has been putting up pics of things that she's run across while going through his things.

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jplarson · 08-09-2023, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astros19

Here's the rest of the story.
I lady friend in her 60's posted this on Facebook and to be honest I have no reason to doubt her story.
She lost her father a few months ago and has been putting up pics of things that she's run across while going through his things.

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Why not lead with this?

FWIW, someday my kids will go through my collectibles and think they found a Michael Jordan signed baseball and they wouldn't have.

SupermanBrandon · 08-09-2023, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

Why not lead with this?

FWIW, someday my kids will go through my collectibles and think they found a Michael Jordan signed baseball and they wouldn't have.

trolling. that's why.

Astros19 · 08-09-2023, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jplarson

Why not lead with this?

FWIW, someday my kids will go through my collectibles and think they found a Michael Jordan signed baseball and they wouldn't have.

I thought it would be interesting to see the responses without the Back story. I openly admit that I think grading is a joke, and I tend to lean the same direction when it comes to autograph authenticating.
I sign my name multiple times a day and no 2 ever look alike.
Leading with the back story would have been boring.
I think it's a good thing for everyone to understand that not every message board member is an expert when it comes to authenticating autos, among other things.
I won't even bother replying to the post after yours.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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davidantx · 08-09-2023, 04:49 PM

run away

Seitas · 08-09-2023, 06:28 PM

Good for you. You’ve got some provenance there. Good thing too, because without it most wouldn’t believe it’s authentic…even with it I’m sure many would doubt it’s authenticity. That’s the most ‘unique’ looking mantle autograph I’ve seen. I’ve never seen him connect his first or last name to the initial ‘M’. The M’s are always standalone.

MoreToppsPlease · 08-09-2023, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

Why not lead with this?

FWIW, someday my kids will go through my collectibles and think they found a Michael Jordan signed baseball and they wouldn't have.

But inscriptions don’t make autographs authentic.

hxcmilkshake · 08-09-2023, 06:39 PM

You got us all, Astro fan, and taught us a valuable lesson, one I will pass on for generations.

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dbackschamp2001 · 08-09-2023, 06:44 PM

It seems faker to me now than it did before I saw the picture.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 08-09-2023, 06:57 PM

Wait, so OP posted a Mantle sig he knows looks bad and pretended to ask BO’s opinion on it… just have a little “gotcha” moment on us?

That’s sad. I feel bad for him.

aggie4ever · 08-09-2023, 07:08 PM

Even with the back story, I think it's unlikely it was signed by Mantle. I think it's more likely signed by his wife on his behalf than him.

towerymt · 08-09-2023, 07:15 PM

Fake.

Thetruthisout · 08-09-2023, 07:51 PM

Definitely not The Mick's autograph.

Could be a non-malicious forgery.

SupermanBrandon · 08-09-2023, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Wait, so OP posted a Mantle sig he knows looks bad and pretended to ask BO’s opinion on it… just have a little “gotcha” moment on us?

That’s sad. I feel bad for him.

Yup. He trolls pretty regularly.

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allabtsprt · 08-10-2023, 08:32 AM

Not even close. The picture looks like it was later in his career and there is no way that this signature is his. People simply don't realize that collectibles have been faked since the beginning of time. We tend to think of modern fakes like a Jordan RC, etc.. What most don't realize is that the Fro-Joy ice cream Babe Ruth is one of the most counterfeited cards out there for example. Also, I don't know how many times a person has told me that they have a Fleer Jordan RC that their Dad got 20-30 years, so they know it's real only to find out that it is a fake, not realizing that fakes were common back then.

timber63401 · 08-10-2023, 08:47 AM

Still fake.

Archangel1775 · 08-10-2023, 09:08 AM

Throwing an auto up like that is going to get the response it did from members in general. PSA and Beckett do take the changes of an athletes of the signature into account. All people can do is the best they can, with the information given. I'd still rather have an 80's/90's Mantle auto than that one.

Archangel1775 · 08-10-2023, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astros19

Here's the rest of the story.
I lady friend in her 60's posted this on Facebook and to be honest I have no reason to doubt her story.
She lost her father a few months ago and has been putting up pics of things that she's run across while going through his things.

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Did Mantle sign like that in the late 60's or early 70's? He looks like he's in his late 30's, early 40's.

08-09-2023, 02:21 PM	#1
Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	Opinions on this Mantle autograph Title says it all. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

08-09-2023, 02:22 PM	#2
nera20 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 35,253	looks pretty fake __________________ USA SHIPPING ONLY

08-09-2023, 02:24 PM	#3
free2131 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 5,367	Weren't his very early autos sort of like that? I can't say one way or another about authenticity, but I do think his signature changed after a year or two. Yeah, here's a PSA authenticated early sig. Doesn't look like it matches up. __________________ “I exploit you, still you love me. I tell you one and one makes three.” - Living Colour Last edited by free2131; 08-09-2023 at 02:28 PM.

08-09-2023, 02:27 PM	#4
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 73,243 glen87 glen87	https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...aphs-forgeries 1950's __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

08-09-2023, 03:07 PM	#8
Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	Here's the rest of the story. I lady friend in her 60's posted this on Facebook and to be honest I have no reason to doubt her story. She lost her father a few months ago and has been putting up pics of things that she's run across while going through his things. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Last edited by Astros19; 08-09-2023 at 03:13 PM.

08-09-2023, 02:30 PM	#5
Seitas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Fresno, Ca Posts: 740	Doesn’t look right to me. The early autos had ‘wings’ on both M’s. And the M’s were never connected to the rest of his name like it is in this example.

08-09-2023, 02:30 PM	#6
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,745	The Y ending straight down, and the 'c' running into 'k' makes it look wrong to me.

08-09-2023, 02:31 PM	#7
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,745	https://www.psacard.com/autographfac...ntle/images/29

08-09-2023, 04:49 PM	#12
davidantx Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: DFW! Posts: 964 davidan davidantx	run away

08-09-2023, 06:28 PM	#13
Seitas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Fresno, Ca Posts: 740	Good for you. You’ve got some provenance there. Good thing too, because without it most wouldn’t believe it’s authentic…even with it I’m sure many would doubt it’s authenticity. That’s the most ‘unique’ looking mantle autograph I’ve seen. I’ve never seen him connect his first or last name to the initial ‘M’. The M’s are always standalone.

08-09-2023, 06:39 PM	#15
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,399 hxcmilkshake	You got us all, Astro fan, and taught us a valuable lesson, one I will pass on for generations. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

08-09-2023, 06:44 PM	#16
dbackschamp2001 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,368 parksandreselling Dbackschamp2001	It seems faker to me now than it did before I saw the picture.

08-09-2023, 06:57 PM	#17
MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 13,535	Wait, so OP posted a Mantle sig he knows looks bad and pretended to ask BO’s opinion on it… just have a little “gotcha” moment on us? That’s sad. I feel bad for him.

08-09-2023, 07:08 PM	#18
aggie4ever Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 6,779 aggie4ever	Even with the back story, I think it's unlikely it was signed by Mantle. I think it's more likely signed by his wife on his behalf than him.

08-09-2023, 07:15 PM	#19
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,745	Fake.

08-09-2023, 07:51 PM	#20
Thetruthisout Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 184	Definitely not The Mick's autograph. Could be a non-malicious forgery.

08-10-2023, 08:32 AM	#22
allabtsprt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 579	Not even close. The picture looks like it was later in his career and there is no way that this signature is his. People simply don't realize that collectibles have been faked since the beginning of time. We tend to think of modern fakes like a Jordan RC, etc.. What most don't realize is that the Fro-Joy ice cream Babe Ruth is one of the most counterfeited cards out there for example. Also, I don't know how many times a person has told me that they have a Fleer Jordan RC that their Dad got 20-30 years, so they know it's real only to find out that it is a fake, not realizing that fakes were common back then.

08-10-2023, 08:47 AM	#23
timber63401 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 1,586 timber63401	Still fake.

08-10-2023, 09:08 AM	#24
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,837	Throwing an auto up like that is going to get the response it did from members in general. PSA and Beckett do take the changes of an athletes of the signature into account. All people can do is the best they can, with the information given. I'd still rather have an 80's/90's Mantle auto than that one. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.* Last edited by Archangel1775; 08-10-2023 at 09:12 AM.