Are Inserts of Rookies Considered Rookie Cards?

shorne07 · 11-06-2023, 11:07 AM

Hello,

Pulled a /10 Gold insert of a rookie recently, and I was curious as to how the community values these, if at all. Thanks for your thoughts.

bigdog2003 · 11-06-2023, 11:13 AM

I don't consider them true rookie cards, but others may disagree

49erRCCollector · 11-06-2023, 11:15 AM

You are asking two, maybe three questions.

Inserts of rookies are rookie year cards, but not necessarily thought of as “rookie cards” which are the cards in the base set of a release.

A /10 gold is a parallel, and golds are very desired, insert, RC, regular. There could be a gold in an insert set or a gold parallel of a true rookie. Likely the latter would be very coveted based on who the player is.

Would help if you shared what the card was.

Scottish Punk · 11-06-2023, 11:19 AM

Depends for me. If it is parallel of the main rookie card, than yes. If you are talking about stuff like prizm emergent or donruss the rookies and the like, than no. Actual insert sets that aren't part of the main set, I don't consider rookie cards. Rookie year inserts. Or Rookie year autos (although the autos kind of straddle the line for me).

TimBuckTwo · 11-06-2023, 11:20 AM

Baseball thinks so.

shorne07 · 11-06-2023, 11:34 AM

Really appreciate the rapid feedback. It is a 2017 Mahomes Optic Gridiron Kings Gold /10. No auto unfortunately.

oldgoldy97 · 11-06-2023, 11:35 AM

It’s Patty so that’s a high dollar card either way.

Scottish Punk · 11-06-2023, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shorne07

Really appreciate the rapid feedback. It is a 2017 Mahomes Optic Gridiron Kings Gold /10. No auto unfortunately.

It is a nice card for sure. I would classify that as a rookie year insert parallel and not a rookie card.

shorne07 · 11-06-2023, 11:41 AM

Many thanks for clarifying, everyone!

jacksonjj · 11-06-2023, 11:52 AM

Monster pull! Takes guts to rip a pack of 2017 anything at current prices vs. odds of pulling something worthwhile.

Soxrule111 · 11-06-2023, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

It is a nice card for sure. I would classify that as a rookie year insert parallel and not a rookie card.

Its still a Rookie card though.
Rookie Year Insert Parallel Card
Rookie.....Card

But yea most would call it a rookie year insert, but I would still consider it like a rookie, just not as desirable,

49erRCCollector · 11-06-2023, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shorne07

Really appreciate the rapid feedback. It is a 2017 Mahomes Optic Gridiron Kings Gold /10. No auto unfortunately.

You’re good. 2017 Mahomes gold should do well no matter what. He lives in his own universe, hobby-wise.

starfox · 11-06-2023, 12:44 PM

Now days, many of these inserts have "RC" on them, but they're not. It's a selling point that's been put on Panini cards the last four years or so.

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majestik101 · 11-06-2023, 01:25 PM

I consider all of these rookie cards and I value/price them accordingly.

dkcardman · 11-06-2023, 02:11 PM

Yes. Inserts of a player are a Rookie card. However, desirability of that card vs base will vary all over the place. Emergent insert is a Rookie but not very desired. Downtown insert however is a Rookie and very desired.
But they are all rookies.

wubh · 11-06-2023, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dkcardman

Yes. Inserts of a player are a Rookie card. However, desirability of that card vs base will vary all over the place. Emergent insert is a Rookie but not very desired. Downtown insert however is a Rookie and very desired.
But they are all rookies.

100% agree. Everything released during a player's first season is a rookie (year card) and everything released afterwards is not a rookie (year card)

If you really want to go into semantics, the base card from each product could be considered the one true rookie of that product. And if you're getting that specific, any parallels of that said base card may no longer be considered a 'true' rookie either.

But most collectors aren't like that.

However, they will pay 10x less for an Emergent silver compared to the base Prizm silver. Unless the player sucks and both are worth a quarter.

So congrats on pulling a sweet Patty rookie!

mc1 · 11-06-2023, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkcardman

Yes. Inserts of a player are a Rookie card. However, desirability of that card vs base will vary all over the place. Emergent insert is a Rookie but not very desired. Downtown insert however is a Rookie and very desired.
But they are all rookies.

Only base cards are true rookie cards. Inserts and parallels arent base cards. As such, they cant be true rookie cards.

JWBlue · 11-06-2023, 03:40 PM

This forum is more discerning with this type of stuff.

I would say 90% of collectors outside this forum would classify an insert as a RC.

49erRCCollector · 11-06-2023, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBlue

This forum is more discerning with this type of stuff.

I would say 90% of collectors outside this forum would classify an insert as a RC.

That would surprise me.

sethc1020 · 11-06-2023, 04:06 PM

Inserts/sub-sets are not RCs in my opinion. They are of a player RC year which holds value but not rookies IMO

jplarson · 11-06-2023, 05:13 PM

It's a card of a rookie, not a rookie card as traditionally defined (first base card in a set in a generally released product). Rookie year card is also acceptable. Personally I don't sweat the difference.

It being an insert, parallel, or insert parallel doesn't mean it wouldn't sell for as much or much more than the base rookie card.

starfox · 11-06-2023, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBlue

This forum is more discerning with this type of stuff.

I would say 90% of collectors outside this forum would classify an insert as a RC.

No. Not at all. A lot of people on and off this forum sell and would list a card that is truly a rookie year insert as a true base rc (or some parallel of the true base rc). Wrong or right, it's about doing what it takes to sell.

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rnocards · 11-07-2023, 06:45 AM

Many consider only the first base card of a major manufacturer release set to be the Rookie Card, like how it is understood on TCDB.

I consider all the cards, of major or minor manufacturer releases, of the rookie year, to be rookie cards, but I view some of them as "preferered" rookie cards over others.

f2tornado · 11-07-2023, 08:48 PM

I call them "rookies" or "rookie year" cards. I consider the base card to be the bona fide "rookie card". Pretty much on par with COMC notations... but I won't argue with anyone calling them all rookie cards.

asujbl · 11-07-2023, 08:53 PM

Nope. Not a rookie card

It’s called an insert or parallel for a reason

Common sense

11-06-2023, 11:07 AM	#1
shorne07 Member Join Date: Jul 2023 Posts: 44	Are Inserts of Rookies Considered Rookie Cards? Hello, Pulled a /10 Gold insert of a rookie recently, and I was curious as to how the community values these, if at all. Thanks for your thoughts.

11-06-2023, 11:13 AM	#2
bigdog2003 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Newberry, SC Posts: 9,774 jammons52 bigdog2003	I don't consider them true rookie cards, but others may disagree __________________ Looking for Football: All South Carolina Gamecocks. Baseball: Carl Edwards Jr, Nick Ciuffo, Jackie Bradley Jr, SEARCHING FOR BILLY O'DELL PSA/SGC GRADED CARDS FOR THE PC

11-06-2023, 11:15 AM	#3
49erRCCollector Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,843	You are asking two, maybe three questions. Inserts of rookies are rookie year cards, but not necessarily thought of as “rookie cards” which are the cards in the base set of a release. A /10 gold is a parallel, and golds are very desired, insert, RC, regular. There could be a gold in an insert set or a gold parallel of a true rookie. Likely the latter would be very coveted based on who the player is. Would help if you shared what the card was. __________________ Will MASSIVELY overpay for: 2002 Fleer Authentix #180, 181 Derek Smith & Zack Bronson AND 2007 Upper Deck Target Exclusive Rookies Autographs #261 Joe Staley #'d to /5

11-06-2023, 11:35 AM	#7
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 52,748	It’s Patty so that’s a high dollar card either way. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

11-06-2023, 12:44 PM	#13
starfox Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,559 I don't have one at the moment, but plan to. I don't have one of these either, but we shall see.	Now days, many of these inserts have "RC" on them, but they're not. It's a selling point that's been put on Panini cards the last four years or so. Sent from my SM-S918U using Tapatalk Last edited by starfox; 11-06-2023 at 12:47 PM.

11-06-2023, 11:19 AM	#4
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 10,105 scottishpunk	Depends for me. If it is parallel of the main rookie card, than yes. If you are talking about stuff like prizm emergent or donruss the rookies and the like, than no. Actual insert sets that aren't part of the main set, I don't consider rookie cards. Rookie year inserts. Or Rookie year autos (although the autos kind of straddle the line for me).

11-06-2023, 11:20 AM	#5
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,180	Baseball thinks so.

11-06-2023, 11:34 AM	#6
shorne07 Member Join Date: Jul 2023 Posts: 44	Really appreciate the rapid feedback. It is a 2017 Mahomes Optic Gridiron Kings Gold /10. No auto unfortunately.

11-06-2023, 11:41 AM	#9
shorne07 Member Join Date: Jul 2023 Posts: 44	Many thanks for clarifying, everyone!

11-06-2023, 11:52 AM	#10
jacksonjj Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: San Diego Posts: 874	Monster pull! Takes guts to rip a pack of 2017 anything at current prices vs. odds of pulling something worthwhile.

11-06-2023, 01:25 PM	#14
majestik101 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,526 majestik101	I consider all of these rookie cards and I value/price them accordingly.

11-06-2023, 02:11 PM	#15
dkcardman Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buford, Ga Posts: 2,537 dkcardman dkcardman	Yes. Inserts of a player are a Rookie card. However, desirability of that card vs base will vary all over the place. Emergent insert is a Rookie but not very desired. Downtown insert however is a Rookie and very desired. But they are all rookies.

11-06-2023, 03:40 PM	#18
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 10,174	This forum is more discerning with this type of stuff. I would say 90% of collectors outside this forum would classify an insert as a RC.

11-06-2023, 04:06 PM	#20
sethc1020 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,708 sethc_1020	Inserts/sub-sets are not RCs in my opinion. They are of a player RC year which holds value but not rookies IMO __________________ https://www.flickr.com/gp/151086784@N06/28H47r

11-06-2023, 05:13 PM	#21
jplarson Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 15,578	It's a card of a rookie, not a rookie card as traditionally defined (first base card in a set in a generally released product). Rookie year card is also acceptable. Personally I don't sweat the difference. It being an insert, parallel, or insert parallel doesn't mean it wouldn't sell for as much or much more than the base rookie card.

11-07-2023, 06:45 AM	#23
rnocards Member Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 797	Many consider only the first base card of a major manufacturer release set to be the Rookie Card, like how it is understood on TCDB. I consider all the cards, of major or minor manufacturer releases, of the rookie year, to be rookie cards, but I view some of them as "preferered" rookie cards over others.

11-07-2023, 08:48 PM	#24
f2tornado Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 2,444 f2tornado f2tornado	I call them "rookies" or "rookie year" cards. I consider the base card to be the bona fide "rookie card". Pretty much on par with COMC notations... but I won't argue with anyone calling them all rookie cards.

11-07-2023, 08:53 PM	#25
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 64,110 ohiosundevils	Nope. Not a rookie card It’s called an insert or parallel for a reason Common sense __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”