Is this auto traced over? Altered?

[speedyjg13]

I follow Reid Detmers' cards. Now that you got your chuckles out of the way, I have a question. Reid Detmers autos are 99% streaky and all of the sudden a 1 of 1 auto card pops up with what appears to be a streaky auto traced over very boldly and shaky auto.

You can see some of the streakyness on the left side of the auto, I assume the rest of the streakyness was traced over?

What are your thoughts? Altered auto?

2023 Topps Five Star Reid Detmers Auto 1/1

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23544959200...mis&media=COPY

[fabiani12333]

Obviously, traced over. The person who did it doesn't seem to have a steady writing hand.

[JWBlue]

I have seen legit autos that look like that where there is a lighter ink on the outsides.

I would compare to other 2023 Topps Five Star Reid Detmer cards.

[PuddleMonkey]

Yeah, looks like his pen was shot when doing some of the five star cards.

"Right from pack to sleeve", sure thing buddy.

[no10pin]

Definitely traced over by someone who needed to practice a lot more.

[txrngr34]

That's awful. Sorry a card like that for you was altered.

[smanzari]

Maybe it was Reid? Aren't those hard signed? Maybe he signed it and realized it was the 1/1, then decided to go back and make sure the signature was nice and bold? (try retracing your own signature, its kind of tough)

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by smanzari

Maybe it was Reid? Aren't those hard signed? Maybe he signed it and realized it was the 1/1, then decided to go back and make sure the signature was nice and bold? (try retracing your own signature, its kind of tough)

I could see this being true if he wasn't signing on a table, like his lap. It would explain the shaky trace.

[FTLFTL]

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate that you collect whomever and whatever makes you happy.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by smanzari

Maybe it was Reid? Aren't those hard signed? Maybe he signed it and realized it was the 1/1, then decided to go back and make sure the signature was nice and bold? (try retracing your own signature, its kind of tough)

Reid Detmers has had other streaky 1 of 1 autos. None of his streaky 1 of 1 autos are traced over. I don't think Reid Detmers traced over his own signature.

Originally Posted by FTLFTL

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate that you collect whomever and whatever makes you happy.

Thank you, love collecting Angels players.

[Trueblue]

Damn shame

[anusinha]

Yeah, that's totally traced over.

[hammertime]

Looks awful, ugh.

[bloodwings19]

Originally Posted by no10pin

Definitely traced over by someone who needed to practice a lot more.

Should of hired a sketch artist. Detmers is not AARP yet maybe the revisionist.

[seanbros55]

I just don’t understand what kind of imbecile would look at ANY card and think “you know what this card needs…”

Never mind that it’s a 1/1. That takes a special kind of imbecility.

[daveyc1]

that is pretty rough.

[FTLFTL]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

I just don’t understand what kind of imbecile would look at ANY card and think “you know what this card needs…”

Never mind that it’s a 1/1. That takes a special kind of imbecility.

Yeah, but now it's really a 1/1. Reid *and* someone else!

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

I just don’t understand what kind of imbecile would look at ANY card and think “you know what this card needs…”

Never mind that it’s a 1/1. That takes a special kind of imbecility.

Card collecting is The Wild West which to me has some kind of weird appeal even though I am stickler for doing the right thing.

[Skipscards]

Here's the thing. In this case, does it really matter? The card is the card and it's a 1/1. So, if someone wants the 1/1, this is what it is. Let's say it was way miscut. It'd still be the 1/1. If someone wrote, "Jimmy's Card", it'd still be the card. If it had paper loss on the back, it's still the card.

If you are a completist or a huge Detmers fan and want the card, then go for it. To me, it's just another defect that should make the card a lot cheaper.

But yeah, someone clearly traced it. Maybe it was a Topps employee.

[glen87]

[DaryanLenz]

Are we totally excluding the possibility that Reid used a bad pen, noticed, and simply resigned his own name? Some of the other autos he signed in the same product clearly show the pen was running out of ink so I personally think it’s highly probable.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Here's the thing. In this case, does it really matter? The card is the card and it's a 1/1. So, if someone wants the 1/1, this is what it is. Let's say it was way miscut. It'd still be the 1/1. If someone wrote, "Jimmy's Card", it'd still be the card. If it had paper loss on the back, it's still the card.

If you are a completist or a huge Detmers fan and want the card, then go for it. To me, it's just another defect that should make the card a lot cheaper.

But yeah, someone clearly traced it. Maybe it was a Topps employee.

In terms of collecting, I completely agree with you. But if we’re factoring monetary value, I do think it matters. There’s nothing particularly special about that card, except for the fact that it has 1/1 stamped on it. There’s a bunch of Reid Detmers cards that can say the same. So that card is competing against every other 1/1 and the traced-over signature makes it less desirable. In my opinion, at least.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

Are we totally excluding the possibility that Reid used a bad pen, noticed, and simply resigned his own name? Some of the other autos he signed in the same product clearly show the pen was running out of ink so I personally think it’s highly probable.

why would there be so much hesitation and shakiness in the signature. if that did happen, he probably would have signed it normal, and not tried to trace over the first attempt.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

Are we totally excluding the possibility that Reid used a bad pen, noticed, and simply resigned his own name? Some of the other autos he signed in the same product clearly show the pen was running out of ink so I personally think it’s highly probable.

LOL, seriously?

[txrngr34]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Here's the thing. In this case, does it really matter? The card is the card and it's a 1/1. So, if someone wants the 1/1, this is what it is. Let's say it was way miscut. It'd still be the 1/1. If someone wrote, "Jimmy's Card", it'd still be the card. If it had paper loss on the back, it's still the card.

If you are a completist or a huge Detmers fan and want the card, then go for it. To me, it's just another defect that should make the card a lot cheaper.

But yeah, someone clearly traced it. Maybe it was a Topps employee.

I get your point but, to me, after alteration it's no longer desirable. But because it exists/existed the "what if" piece still lingers.

So it definitely matters to me. I'd basically treat it like it doesn't exist - but knowing it does...if that makes sense...ha.