Have any 2024 Panini Football sets been announced?

[rubendn]

I haven't seen any announcements for any 2024 Panini sets. Seems strange.

I know they are still releasing 2023 sets but Score usually releases about 1-2 months after the draft.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by rubendn

I haven't seen any announcements for any 2024 Panini sets. Seems strange.

I know they are still releasing 2023 sets but Score usually releases about 1-2 months after the draft.

pretty sure I already ordered Score from my distro, but I cant recall seeing an actual sell sheet.

[kluke84]

I don't care. 2023 feels like a forced lobotomy

[hairysasquatch]

Maybe Poopnini will release us from our near-decade national nightmare!

[oldgoldy97]

Score, Prizm DP, Prestige.

[Row]

Still feel so far behind on 2023 product. Is this the worst its been?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by kluke84

I don't care. 2023 feels like a forced lobotomy

Lobotomy or Chinese water torture?

[Siberian13]

I’m excited for sticker dumps #1 through 40

[Fenway55]

2026 isn't that far away and Panini is getting further and further behind with their releases. If they want to produce 2 full seasons of cards before losing the license, they need to get off their hindquarters. Does anyone know when in 2026 they lose the license? Does it coincide with the new league year?

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

2026 isn't that far away and Panini is getting further and further behind with their releases. If they want to produce 2 full seasons of cards before losing the license, they need to get off their hindquarters. Does anyone know when in 2026 they lose the license? Does it coincide with the new league year?

I mean it’s not necessarily Panini. Fanatics is doing their damndest to freeze them out and it’s working. There’s absolutely no way Panini is catching up at this point. Going to be a weird next couple of years of football product unless something happens before the official takeover.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by rmw10

I mean it’s not necessarily Panini. Fanatics is doing their damndest to freeze them out and it’s working.

I would be very curious to know what sort of tactics Fanatics is using to slow down Panini's production schedule. Interference in a contract between 2 parties is a dangerous line to walk. They could be opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

[casebreaksllc]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I would be very curious to know what sort of tactics Fanatics is using to slow down Panini's production schedule. Interference in a contract between 2 parties is a dangerous line to walk. They could be opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

Fanatics bought controlling interest in the printing company GC Packaging. There was claims in the lawsuit that Panini was utilizing 80-90% of the printing lines in said facility at any given time. Once Fanatics took over, that was cut in half. Panini has been trying to use new printing companies as of late, but the QC has severely suffered because of it. There was also apparently verbiage in Paninis contract with GC Packaging that they could not sell without consent from Panini, but did anyways.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I would be very curious to know what sort of tactics Fanatics is using to slow down Panini's production schedule. Interference in a contract between 2 parties is a dangerous line to walk. They could be opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

^ that.

But I don't think Fanatics cares. They have the money to play games if they want to, and they want to. Their whole purpose here is to make it as difficult as possible for Panini in their remaining time and they are doing just that.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by casebreaksllc

Fanatics bought controlling interest in the printing company GC Packaging. There was claims in the lawsuit that Panini was utilizing 80-90% of the printing lines in said facility at any given time. Once Fanatics took over, that was cut in half. Panini has been trying to use new printing companies as of late, but the QC has severely suffered because of it. There was also apparently verbiage in Paninis contract with GC Packaging that they could not sell without consent from Panini, but did anyways.

Sounds actionable to me.

I have a feeling once Panini's contract is up they are going to file a big ole' lawsuit against Fanatics - above and beyond the current wranglings ongoing. They might just have a decent case too.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Sounds actionable to me.

I have a feeling once Panini's contract is up they are going to file a big ole' lawsuit against Fanatics - above and beyond the current wranglings ongoing. They might just have a decent case too.

Fanatics has an absolute powerhouse of on-contract/in-house attorneys. They do not care.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by rmw10

Fanatics has an absolute powerhouse of on-contract/in-house attorneys. They do not care.

Those powerhouse attorneys are already 0-1 against Panini.

If they get sued for millions of dollars in a situation where the plaintiff has a strong case, they'll start to care in a hurry.

[foleylion08]

If I've learned anything from Suits, it's that you can do whatever you want to if your attorneys are good enough at their job.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by foleylion08

If I've learned anything from Suits, it's that you can do whatever you want to if your attorneys are good enough at their job.

Maybe true.... but Fanatics' attorneys weren't good enough at their jobs to get the NFLPA out of their contractual agreement with Panini like they tried to do... so I wouldn't consider Fanatics a heavy favorite going forward if they did indeed violate other contractual terms (I do not know whether or not they have, I am just saying that IF they did, then Panini would have a very strong case to get damages).

I have argued for years that exclusivity violates anti-trust laws, whether we are talking about video games or trading cards. I guess we may now finally get a court to rule on it ("finally" meaning after the years-long process plays out).

[Natsfan32]

Originally Posted by foleylion08

If I've learned anything from Suits, it's that you can do whatever you want to if your attorneys are good enough at their job.

No one has a monopoly on good lawyers. No reason Panini can't hire good lawyers if they are willing to pay.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Those powerhouse attorneys are already 0-1 against Panini.

If they get sued for millions of dollars in a situation where the plaintiff has a strong case, they'll start to care in a hurry.

But Fanatics has the NFLPA on their side. Almost certainly some collusion happening, and I'd be willing to bet Panini's inability to release sets per the contracted agreement will be the next attempt at a win.

Have to remember that Panini has straight up f you money. They aren't concerned about lawsuits just like they aren't worried about "losing" attempt #1.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by rmw10

But Fanatics has the NFLPA on their side. Almost certainly some collusion happening, and I'd be willing to bet Panini's inability to release sets per the contracted agreement will be the next attempt at a win.

IMHO, the fact that Fanatics and the NFLPA are partners only enhances the accusation of anti-competitive behavior. IOW, it strengthens Panini's case.

Originally Posted by rmw10

Have to remember that Panini has straight up f you money. They aren't concerned about lawsuits just like they aren't worried about "losing" attempt #1.

(assuming you meant Fanatic) They are a business. As I said above, if they get sued for millions of dollars in a situation where the plaintiff has a strong case, they'll get concerned awfully fast.

Please note I am not making any predictions as I don't know what the contracts said or if any breach happened. Based on reports I have read, Panini sure seems to have a strong case BUT there's 2 sides to every story.

[abovethesink]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

IMHO, the fact that Fanatics and the NFLPA are partners only enhances the accusation of anti-competitive behavior. IOW, it strengthens Panini's case.
(assuming you meant Fanatic) They are a business. As I said above, if they get sued for millions of dollars in a situation where the plaintiff has a strong case, they'll get concerned awfully fast.

Please note I am not making any predictions as I don't know what the contracts said or if any breach happened. Based on reports I have read, Panini sure seems to have a strong case BUT there's 2 sides to every story.

Fanatics is fine being sued. They are in the stage of intentionally burning through massive amounts of capital in order to gain market dominance. It is the same playbook many massive companies have run time and time again. Amazon, for example.

[oldgoldy97]

Where do our resident lawyers land on the ability to pay scale?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by abovethesink

Fanatics is fine being sued. They are in the stage of intentionally burning through massive amounts of capital in order to gain market dominance. It is the same playbook many massive companies have run time and time again. Amazon, for example.

Trust me, nobody is "fine with being sued" - especially by a plaintiff with a legit complaint. And in this case, the lawsuit may create a situation where all that massive amounts of capital they burned to gain market dominance was in vain.

If Panini chooses to pursue this, there is a greater than zero chance that a court rules Fanatics' whole business strategy is illegal. I can assure you, they are not fine with that.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Trust me, nobody is "fine with being sued" - especially by a plaintiff with a legit complaint. And in this case, the lawsuit may create a situation where all that massive amounts of capital they burned to gain market dominance was in vain.

If Panini chooses to pursue this, there is a greater than zero chance that a court rules Fanatics' whole business strategy is illegal. I can assure you, they are not fine with that.

Fanatics is not scared at all because right now, Panini America has a limited lifeline. There’s only so much capital they’re going to be willing to churn when the company itself is on borrowed time.

Nevermind the fact that Panini screwed themselves on the anti-trust lawsuit in which they claimed high end football, mid end football, and low end football are all different markets. Same for the other sports. That’s ignoring the fact that we tend to think in sports cards only when there are a bevy of other trading cards that have been recognized in the same market. The “monopoly” thing is more pipe dream at this stage.

Again, Fanatics is not scared because they know the money they lose on trying to get it early will be made 10 times over when they officially take over. They’re willing to take the risk that they can get in early to start making that money. Big companies have big money.