shohei ohtani - "1st 50/50" prices ???

[vintg]

as my name indicates, i'm heavily into "vintage" hall of famers

BUT, i have to have ohtani's , he's this generations "babe ruth"

so i dabble in the 2018 bowman "paper" rookie (i know, i know, maybe foolish)

BUT, price spikes across the board IF he becomes the first 50/50 player ???

thanks in advance

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

50/50 is already starting to be baked into his prices and auction values.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

50/50 is already starting to be baked into his prices and auction values.

Will 50/50/50 add anything to his value?

[HeritageKing]

No one cared about Soriano doing 40/40 AND playing shortstop, why would anyone care about 50/50 with all the rule changes?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

No one cared about Soriano doing 40/40 AND playing shortstop, why would anyone care about 50/50 with all the rule changes?

Because Ohtani has to be pumped somehow without pitching.

[here2havefun]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

No one cared about Soriano doing 40/40 AND playing shortstop, why would anyone care about 50/50 with all the rule changes?

Top 15 starting pitcher in the league is better than decent SS.
50/50 is better than 40/40.
International superstar is better than very good baseball player.
etc etc

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

No one cared about Soriano doing 40/40 AND playing shortstop, why would anyone care about 50/50 with all the rule changes?

#ThanksTopps

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

No one cared about Soriano doing 40/40 AND playing shortstop, why would anyone care about 50/50 with all the rule changes?

Pretty sure Soriano was playing OF when he went 40/40. ARod is the only infielder that has gone 40/40.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

50/50 is already starting to be baked into his prices and auction values.

How did you come to this conclusion? The majority of his cards are way off from 2023 highs right before he injured his elbow. In fact low end RC cards are down 50% or more. High end RC cards are pretty stable and near 2023 peak prices.

Not sure at this point of any thing will move his low and medium end RC market including a 3rd MVP or WS win.

[KhalDrogo]

I don’t think 50/50 matters. Cool feat, doesn’t move the hobby needle. Stolen bases are boring thanks to the rule change. Acuna does 40/70, wins MVP, and his cards declined over the course of the season.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Will 50/50/50 add anything to his value?

Originally Posted by seanrs1

How did you come to this conclusion? The majority of his cards are way off from 2023 highs right before he injured his elbow. In fact low end RC cards are down 50% or more. High end RC cards are pretty stable and near 2023 peak prices.

Not sure at this point of any thing will move his low and medium end RC market including a 3rd MVP or WS win.

I’m didn’t say it would move the needle either. I’m just saying that the way the card market works is that it bakes best-outcome speculation into the prices as we get closer to the thing actually happening. His prices being down from 2023 highs is irrelevant. His prices would be even lower right now if he wasn’t chasing 50/50.

In this card market, if your prices aren’t falling, they’re doing pretty good.

[Scottish Punk]

How much would a second MVP move his prices? Or is that getting backed in as well. Or is all the collecting world waiting for post season success to get the next bump?

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

How much would a second MVP move his prices? Or is that getting backed in as well. Or is all the collecting world waiting for post season success to get the next bump?

You mean third MVP.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

You mean third MVP.

Ah yeah, duh!! Thanks for the correction.

[ObanMontecristo]

I don’t know, Ohtani is already the only player in the history of the game to do what he’s done (pitching and hitting), and if he becomes the first/only player to go 50-50 — not to mention win 3 MVP awards in 4 years — it kind of puts him in the ‘legendary’ category...

I’m looking at it more for long-term collecting than a quick flip, but I’ve definitely been picking up some more of his rookie cards for my collection, thinking they’re not going to get any cheaper moving forward.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

How much would a second MVP move his prices? Or is that getting backed in as well. Or is all the collecting world waiting for post season success to get the next bump?

It’ll be good for his prices long term, but there won’t be an immediate jump since it’s already assumed he has this year’s MVP locked up. It won’t surprise anyone when he wins.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

Top 15 starting pitcher in the league is better than decent SS.
50/50 is better than 40/40.
International superstar is better than very good baseball player.
etc etc

He’s a top 15 pitcher? Without pitching?

[StitchJones]

50/50 may increase prices a bit, but what will really cause price increases would be post season exploits. If he shows up big in the postseason, it will only add to the narrative of him being a once in a generation player. Add to the fact he would be doing it for the Dodgers and you could see a spike.

[Twalk1975]

Four MVP's could be a big number. There is Bonds, and then the three timers.

[cardsin47]

He’s so priced at the max for current accomplishments/ hype, I don’t think there is presently room for a 50/50 increae.

[oldgoldy97]

Let me know when his Bowman paper base get back to $100 or whatever ridiculous price they were back in 2021.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by vintg

as my name indicates, i'm heavily into "vintage" hall of famers

BUT, i have to have ohtani's , he's this generations "babe ruth"

so i dabble in the 2018 bowman "paper" rookie (i know, i know, maybe foolish)

BUT, price spikes across the board IF he becomes the first 50/50 player ???

thanks in advance

Babe Ruth was out homering entire teams. There will never be another like him. Ohtani is amazing but not even close.

Also.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Babe Ruth was out homering entire teams. There will never be another like him. Ohtani is amazing but not even close.

Also.

Agree

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I don’t know, Ohtani is already the only player in the history of the game to do what he’s done (pitching and hitting), and if he becomes the first/only player to go 50-50 — not to mention win 3 MVP awards in 4 years — it kind of puts him in the ‘legendary’ category...

I’m looking at it more for long-term collecting than a quick flip, but I’ve definitely been picking up some more of his rookie cards for my collection, thinking they’re not going to get any cheaper moving forward.

Going back to Sean's question - this ^^^ is what will result in Ohtani low-end prices going up. There are 14k US175 Trouts in the PSA POP report but most of them are in collections now. There were roughly ~8-9k of each of the Ohtani TCU graded by PSA last I checked. It may FEEL like '18 TCU was printed to the moon but that's recency bias. I was around in 2011 and 2011 Update was everywhere - including those value boxes with the Harper Chrome variations. 2018 TCU was Target Megas and Value packs only. No Hobby config. There was plenty of it printed but it wasn't outlandish.

However, there were plenty of folks grading blocks of low-end Ohtani RCs and many of them all hit the market at the same time. I know because I graded blocks of Shohei RCs right around MVP 2. Once these cards begin to make their way into collections and the market glut subsides, there's room for prices to run up a bit. Likely not to US 175 prices, simply because there are more options for Shohei RCs than there were with Trout, but there's room to run.

[Trueblue]

There has been increased interest in Ohtani's high-end since he achieved 40/40. It would be dismissive to say that 50/50 won't accelerate hobby interest. The main storyline that people are impressed with is that he's doing this during a rehab year, illustrating how insanely deep this guy's potential is.

All that said, it does slightly make me chuckle that Sho can perform a feat and everyone gives him a standing ovation, while somebody else does it and it's a fart in the wind. I wholeheartedly understand that it would be really annoying from another collector's point of view. Unfortunately, that just means it's more than about baseball.