The 1986-87 Michael Jordan Fleer is such a "rookie" card that...

PensChronicles · 09-15-2024, 02:37 PM

...the set features four other Chicago Bulls wearing 1985-86 uniforms and two players that DIDN'T EVEN PLAY FOR THE BULLS in 1984-85, Jordan's rookie season.

Imagine if Fleer had put a photo of Jordan from 1985-86 on his 1986-87 Fleer like they did with the rest of the Bulls in the set. How many in the hobby would consider it a rookie card?

Many 1986 rookie card fanboys say "WELL, THE 1984 STAR WASN'T PACK PULLED!"

Well, it depends on what your definition of a "pack" is and how it applies to a "rookie" card.

1984 Star was distributed in clear team bags. You knew EXACTLY what you were getting - just like if you purchased a 1989 Upper Deck baseball factory set, you were 100% certain to get a Ken Griffey Jr. rookie card. Or if I purchase a 1983 Topps baseball rack pack with Wade Boggs and Ryne Sandberg rookie cards clearly evident in the rack pack. The Griffey, Boggs and Sandberg were ALL considered rookie cards, but were hardly "pack pulled."

Many hobby dinosaurs like Dr. James Beckett also cite mass distribution as a way to slight the 1984 Star being Jordan's true rookie card. There were many, many issues of Sports Collector's Digest that had several dealers advertising the Star cards. At one point, SCD had 100,000+ subscribers - no small number of eyeballs saw that it was available. It was also distributed at NBA arenas and in some cases directly from Star - both channels are used today for card distribution.

Just this weekend you had hobby gatekeepers like Chris McGill, Josh Johnson & Cage Lawyer partnering up to try and dance on Geoff Wilson's grave this weekend over his $144,000 unrealized gain on a 1984-85 Michael Jordan Star #101...well, until Ken Goldin came on their show and verified that the card was paid for on September 3rd via wire transfer...notice how Chris and Josh say they are aware of what Cage posted while Chris and Josh were doing their live. They undoubtedly knew that Cage was going to post.

https://x.com/PensChronicles/status/1835352889096548503

Now why would Chris, Josh & Cage want to tamp down the enthusiam for the 1984 Michael Jordan Star #101 being sold for $244,000?

#1 - Chris and Josh HATE Geoff Wilson and will stop seemingly at nothing - well, short of just sending a simple text to Ken Goldin to verify a legitimate sale - to disparage Geoff. Geoff may not be for everyone, but he's done innumerable things for kids in the hobby and helps promote the hobby.

Josh doesn't even consider the 1984 Star a "real card" and said that he "could make" the photo-matched 1932 Babe Ruth called shot jersey that set a world record as the highest sale in sports memorabilia history.

https://x.com/PensChronicles/status/1834020761784221918

#2 - Cage OWNS A 1986-87 Fleer Jordan and not selling it at its peak was one of his biggest hobby regrets.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ave-had-a-few/

As of this morning when I checked, the 1984-85 Michael Jordan Star #101 sale has been restored to Card Ladder. There won't be an apology or any sign of remorse from Chris McGill, Josh Johnson or Cage Lawyer who has since deleted his Instagram reel also attempting to dance on Geoff's grave.

Chris McGill and Josh Johnson continue to think that IF YOU DON'T HOBBY LIKE US, YOU'RE LESSER.

***DISCLAIMER*** I DO NOT OWN A 1984 MICHAEL JORDAN STAR #101 or a 1986 MICHAEL JORDAN FLEER #57. I ALSO DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO MARKET MOVERS OR CARD LADDER AND HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH GOLDIN AUCTIONS.

09-15-2024, 02:37 PM	#1
PensChronicles Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 104 13pens	The 1986-87 Michael Jordan Fleer is such a "rookie" card that... ...the set features four other Chicago Bulls wearing 1985-86 uniforms and two players that DIDN'T EVEN PLAY FOR THE BULLS in 1984-85, Jordan's rookie season. Imagine if Fleer had put a photo of Jordan from 1985-86 on his 1986-87 Fleer like they did with the rest of the Bulls in the set. How many in the hobby would consider it a rookie card? Many 1986 rookie card fanboys say "WELL, THE 1984 STAR WASN'T PACK PULLED!" Well, it depends on what your definition of a "pack" is and how it applies to a "rookie" card. 1984 Star was distributed in clear team bags. You knew EXACTLY what you were getting - just like if you purchased a 1989 Upper Deck baseball factory set, you were 100% certain to get a Ken Griffey Jr. rookie card. Or if I purchase a 1983 Topps baseball rack pack with Wade Boggs and Ryne Sandberg rookie cards clearly evident in the rack pack. The Griffey, Boggs and Sandberg were ALL considered rookie cards, but were hardly "pack pulled." Many hobby dinosaurs like Dr. James Beckett also cite mass distribution as a way to slight the 1984 Star being Jordan's true rookie card. There were many, many issues of Sports Collector's Digest that had several dealers advertising the Star cards. At one point, SCD had 100,000+ subscribers - no small number of eyeballs saw that it was available. It was also distributed at NBA arenas and in some cases directly from Star - both channels are used today for card distribution. Just this weekend you had hobby gatekeepers like Chris McGill, Josh Johnson & Cage Lawyer partnering up to try and dance on Geoff Wilson's grave this weekend over his $144,000 unrealized gain on a 1984-85 Michael Jordan Star #101...well, until Ken Goldin came on their show and verified that the card was paid for on September 3rd via wire transfer...notice how Chris and Josh say they are aware of what Cage posted while Chris and Josh were doing their live. They undoubtedly knew that Cage was going to post. https://x.com/PensChronicles/status/1835352889096548503 Now why would Chris, Josh & Cage want to tamp down the enthusiam for the 1984 Michael Jordan Star #101 being sold for $244,000? #1 - Chris and Josh HATE Geoff Wilson and will stop seemingly at nothing - well, short of just sending a simple text to Ken Goldin to verify a legitimate sale - to disparage Geoff. Geoff may not be for everyone, but he's done innumerable things for kids in the hobby and helps promote the hobby. Josh doesn't even consider the 1984 Star a "real card" and said that he "could make" the photo-matched 1932 Babe Ruth called shot jersey that set a world record as the highest sale in sports memorabilia history. https://x.com/PensChronicles/status/1834020761784221918 #2 - Cage OWNS A 1986-87 Fleer Jordan and not selling it at its peak was one of his biggest hobby regrets. https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ave-had-a-few/ As of this morning when I checked, the 1984-85 Michael Jordan Star #101 sale has been restored to Card Ladder. There won't be an apology or any sign of remorse from Chris McGill, Josh Johnson or Cage Lawyer who has since deleted his Instagram reel also attempting to dance on Geoff's grave. Chris McGill and Josh Johnson continue to think that IF YOU DON'T HOBBY LIKE US, YOU'RE LESSER. *DISCLAIMER* I DO NOT OWN A 1984 MICHAEL JORDAN STAR #101 or a 1986 MICHAEL JORDAN FLEER #57. I ALSO DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO MARKET MOVERS OR CARD LADDER AND HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH GOLDIN AUCTIONS.