Fleer Throwbacks ‘59-63 Marvel Edition is Coming to e-Pack® on September 23rd at 12PM

[finfangfan]

Fleer Throwbacks ‘59-63 Marvel Edition trading cards purchased on Upper Deck e-Pack® will feature:

3 cards per pack, 15 packs per box, 12 boxes per case

The 60-card (fractional) Base Set featuring 2 subsets: 1963 Fleer influenced by 1963 Fleer Baseball, and 1961-62 Fleer, based on the throwback Fleer basketball design

A variety of numbered parallels in each Base Set subset, including: Orange (#'d to 263 or 261), Green (#'d to 63 or 61), Blue (#'d to 23 or 21), and Purple (#'d to 3 or 1)

At least 1 serial numbered card per box, on average!

A plethora of inserts inspired by the throwback Fleer designs like In Action, Monsters of Marvel, and Prototypes of the Past

A lineup of rare cards such as original art Sketch Cards and Stickers highlighting super heroes and villains from the late 50's and early 60's

The opportunity to complete sets to earn Upper Deck e-Pack® exclusive achievement cards!

[BobCollects]

What’s a fractional base set?

This isn’t for me but I think it will have some fans. It’s too bad UD never did more with e-Pack exclusive sets like this. So many options for smaller, focused sets that might not have the broader appeal of Marvel Platinum or Marvel Annual. A fun, cheap set without numbered parallels. Some nice inserts, maybe one unnumbered parallel, toss in some sketches for those who need something to chase.

I predict there will be strong initial interest that will quickly fade, just like Fleer Throwbacks ‘89 Marvel Edition. There are still at least 99 cases of that on e-Pack.

UD trying to get people excited by comparing a sticker to a sketch card (they’re both “rare cards”) is kind of funny.


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[finfangfan]

Maybe fractional means it was initially meant to be a larger set but they are rushing this out as a smaller set … a “fraction” of what they planned had they not been outbid for the Marvel license by Topps.

We will see Monday though.

I will buy a few packs but this one seems like a rush job just to poop out everything Marvel that UD had in development.

[pharmd19]

I understand that UD is losing the Marvel license but I just don't think this is a product that we needed. There's just too much Marvel out there right now.

[ATLOTP]

I'm in at $30 a box

[Scifi Cards]

Originally Posted by pharmd19

I understand that UD is losing the Marvel license but I just don't think this is a product that we needed. There's just too much Marvel out there right now.

This was obviously in the pipeline of development, probably not intended to be released exactly now.

But UD as a company HAS to try to get everything possible out the door to recoup development costs.

Depending on the contract with the artist, MM24 might have been a very expensive thing to lose on. And there's half a dozen or more sets we've heard of artists working on that may never see the light of day.

I'd love to see a "mystery sketch" product on ePack with the sketches they'll not be inserting into products they'll not be making.

Ed

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by BobCollects

What’s a fractional base set?

This isn’t for me but I think it will have some fans. It’s too bad UD never did more with e-Pack exclusive sets like this. So many options for smaller, focused sets that might not have the broader appeal of Marvel Platinum or Marvel Annual. A fun, cheap set without numbered parallels. Some nice inserts, maybe one unnumbered parallel, toss in some sketches for those who need something to chase.

I predict there will be strong initial interest that will quickly fade, just like Fleer Throwbacks ‘89 Marvel Edition. There are still at least 99 cases of that on e-Pack.

UD trying to get people excited by comparing a sticker to a sketch card (they’re both “rare cards”) is kind of funny.


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It says one serial numbered per box lol

[Xiarmadillo]

no way its 1 per...its most likely more like 2 per on average but guaranteed 1 (on comparison fleer throwback 89 had just over 2 per box)

I mean they produced ~ 12040 boxes on Fleer Throwback 89 boxes, and I dont think they double the box print run on this given that last one still hasnt even sold out (there are at least 20880 serial numbered here)

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BobCollects

What’s a fractional base set?

Fractional base means the base set is split up into groups, where some are typically SPs. 1997 Topps Finest from baseball is called a fractional base set since the bronze,silver,gold arent actual parallels, rather different groups of the base set. 2013 Mavel Now would be a fractional set. In this case the base set is split into 1963 Fleer Baseball and 1961-62 Fleer Basketball. From what I heard one of them should be an SP but don’t remember which.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Fractional base means the base set is split up into groups, where some are typically SPs. 1997 Topps Finest from baseball is called a fractional base set since the bronze,silver,gold arent actual parallels, rather different groups of the base set. 2013 Mavel Now would be a fractional set. In this case the base set is split into 1963 Fleer Baseball and 1961-62 Fleer Basketball. From what I heard one of them should be an SP but don’t remember which.

Thank you, I was wondering why the parallels were out of /63 and /61 variations seemed odd numbering.

Bump since this releases in a couple hours incase anyone forgot. Doubt it'll be that insane that I'll regret the bump later lol

[BobCollects]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

It says one serial numbered per box lol

I wasn't referring to the Fleer Throwbacks ‘59-63 Marvel Edition set. I was suggesting Upper Deck could and maybe should have released smaller sets without numbered cards as e-Pack exclusives. Take out numbered cards and lower the price.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Fractional base means the base set is split up into groups, where some are typically SPs. 1997 Topps Finest from baseball is called a fractional base set since the bronze,silver,gold arent actual parallels, rather different groups of the base set. 2013 Mavel Now would be a fractional set. In this case the base set is split into 1963 Fleer Baseball and 1961-62 Fleer Basketball. From what I heard one of them should be an SP but don’t remember which.

Interesting. I've never heard that exact term before. I've seen many base sets split into subsets but all at the same rarity. So the Marvel Masterpieces sets with tiers or levels of rarity would be considered fractional sets, right?

I guess a base set with SPs has more of a chase element to it, which I'm sure Upper Deck hopes will mean more sales as collectors/flippers/whoever look for SP cards.

[N8theGR8]

Bleh this set sucks. Bought enough packs to know $6.99 for one red parallel is tough. lol


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[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by N8theGR8

Bleh this set sucks. Bought enough packs to know $6.99 for one red parallel is tough. lol


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Sucks indeed. Bought 3 packs and will have no problem staying away from more, especially when there are actual awesome products like Platinum and Flair readily available.

Only thing I found interesting is that I got 4 cards in one of my packs.

[glorbgorb]

Three packs here. Nothing of note. I'm good. Kinda like the retro look, to be honest.

Only 19 artists did sketchcards, so a much smaller-than-usual number (excluding Platinum, I suppose). And one of the few recent releases where I haven't seen blanks on the secondary market!

There's only one sketch (right now) on ePack. I hope all artists were told to stick with the style of '59-'63. I hate it when specific genre sets like Anime has sketchcards outside the theme.

[finfangfan]

I bought 3 packs and not really a fan of this one. Marvel 89 more closely aligned with my interests, I think.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BobCollects

Interesting. I've never heard that exact term before. I've seen many base sets split into subsets but all at the same rarity. So the Marvel Masterpieces sets with tiers or levels of rarity would be considered fractional sets, right?

I guess a base set with SPs has more of a chase element to it, which I'm sure Upper Deck hopes will mean more sales as collectors/flippers/whoever look for SP cards.

Yep I’d call the modern MM’s fractional sets since they are “fractured” into the tiers. This set is a little more noticeable since the two subsets have totally different designs, whereas you can’t tell which MM tier subset it is from the front.

[BobCollects]

Price

Pack (3 Cards) $6.99
Box (15 Packs) $99.99
Case (12 Boxes) $1,189.99

Description

Fleer Throwbacks has returned exclusively on Upper Deck e-Pack® taking you back to an exciting time in the Marvel Comic Universe! Fleer Throwbacks '59-63 Marvel Edition revives the era with a unique perspective, connecting sports trading card designs inspired by sets from 1959, 1960, 1961, 1961-62, and 1963 with popular Marvel characters from the era. Collect the 60-card (fractional) Base Set which includes two subsets: 1963 Fleer, featuring a design influenced by 1963 Fleer Baseball, and 1961-62 Fleer, based on the 1961-62 Fleer basketball design. Each subset arrives in various numbered parallels, including Orange, Green, Blue, and Purple. Look for inserts inspired by throwback Fleer designs like In Action, Monsters of Marvel, and Prototypes of the Past which highlights Marvel characters with the 1960 Fleer football design. Track down rare Stickers of super heroes and villains from the late '50s and early '60s as well as original art Sketch Cards by incredible artists. Jump back in time with a pack of Fleer Throwbacks '59-63 Marvel Edition!

Odds

This pack contains an assortment of Fleer Throwbacks ‘59-63 Marvel Edition trading cards. Randomly inserted into these specially marked packs are the following insert and subset cards: Base Set - Red Parallel - 1963 Fleer (1:3), 1961-62 Fleer (1:6); Orange Parallel - 1963 Fleer (#’d to 263), 1961-62 (#’d to 261); Green Parallel - 1963 Fleer (#’d to 63), 1961-62 Fleer (#’d to 61); Blue Parallel - 1963 Fleer (#’d to 23), 1961-62 Fleer (#’d to 21); Purple Parallel - 1963 Fleer (#’d to 3), 1961-62 Fleer (#’d 1-of-1); Printing Plates - 1963 Fleer (#’d 1-of-1), 1961-62 Fleer (#’d 1-of-1); In Action (1:7), Printing Plates (#’d 1-of-1); Marvel Greats (1:9), Printing Plates (#’d 1-of-1); Monsters of Marvel (1:13), Printing Plates (#’d 1-of-1); Prototypes of the Past (1:25), Printing Plates (#’d 1-of-1); Stickers (1:353); Sketch Cards (1:1,957). Stated odds reflect an average of the entire production run; no ratio is guaranteed to exist within an individual pack, box or case.

Exclusives

Collect and combine 5 copies of any individual Fleer Throwbacks ‘59-63 Marvel Edition (fractional) Base Set - 1963 Fleer or Base Set - 1961-62 Fleer card to receive an e-Pack exclusive Glossy Gold Parallel card with the ability to have the physical card mailed to you.

Collect and combine 10 copies of any individual Fleer Throwbacks ‘59-63 Marvel Edition Glossy Gold Parallel - 1963 Fleer or Glossy Gold Parallel - 1961-62 Fleer card to receive an e-Pack exclusive Glossy Black Parallel card with the ability to have the physical card mailed to you.

Achievements

1963 Sketch Card Achievements (One Randomly Awarded)
First 37 collectors to redeem Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-9

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-1
Redeem complete In Action & Marvel Greats Sets (20 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-2
Redeem a complete 1963 Red Parallel Set (30 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-3
Redeem a complete 1963 Glossy Gold Parallel Set (30 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-4
Redeem a complete 1961-62 Red Parallel Set (30 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-5
Redeem a complete 1961-62 Glossy Gold Parallel Set (30 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-6
Redeem complete Monsters of Marvel & Prototypes of the Past Sets (20 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-7
Redeem a complete 1963 Orange Parallel Set (30 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-8
Redeem a complete 1961-62 Orange Parallel Set (30 Cards)

Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-9
First 59 collectors to redeem Comics Greatest Spider-Man Achievements - ACH-1 - ACH-8 (8 Cards)

$6.99 for three cards is too high. It would be too high even if the base cards were physical. Fleer Throwbacks '89 Marvel Edition costs $5.99 for three cards and that's too high, too.

There are currently 9,182 cards on the marketplace. The set has been live for less than two hours.

There's no mention of one of the base subsets being rarer than the other but there are 2061 Base Set - 1961-62 Fleer cards and 3939 Base Set - 1963 Fleer cards on the marketplace so it seems the 1961-62 Fleer cards are the SP subset.

The 1961-62 base cards are beautiful. The 1963 cards are nice, too, but I love the 1961-62 cards. It's too bad the base cards are digital only. I like them better than any of the physical parallels. The 1961-62 parallels are ugly. Printing the characters in black and white was a bad choice, many of them clash with the parallel backgrounds. Even weirder, the parallels mix and match colors on individual cards and between cards. There's no uniformity.

The 1963 parallels are the same color individually and throughout the entire set.

Curiously, the e-Pack exclusive parallels only require five copies, not 10 like Fleer Throwbacks '89 Marvel Edition and many other recent Marvel sets.

The sketch card achievement might entice some collectors but it's silly to have the ACH-9 achievement require you to redeem the other eight achievements and then redeem ACH-9 for the sketch achievement. Why not just have the sketch achievement require redeeming ACH-1 through ACH-8? Take out the middleman, so to speak. Maybe someone at UD realized nine achievements would fit nicer in a 9-card page.

[cms11]

"It's too bad the base cards are digital only."

This is ridiculous.

[DynaEtch]

I get that the red is basically the ‘base’ since it’s the cheapo parallel and will probably be on comc for pennies in due time, but I agree, just like the 89 retro set I wish they’d just have a regular base card.

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by cms11

"It's too bad the base cards are digital only."

This is ridiculous.

I mean, nearly all base sets are digital.

[BobCollects]

Has Upper Deck ever given a reason why most sets on e-Pack have digital base or a mix of digital base and physical high series? I’m sure the reason is they want more money but has there been any excuse? I’d actually believe UD if they blamed it on COMC. Can you imagine if COMC had to handle hundreds of thousands of base cards on top of everything else? Warehouses would probably collapse from the weight of all the base cards.


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[finfangfan]

Probably to somewhat reduce the glut of worthless physical base. Under current practice digital are combined to slightly less worthless combinable parallel. Although ironically with post-ePack Marvel the hobby/blaster only base sells for higher on COMC because it is less prevalent there.

EDIT: and I guess combinable and related achievements require users to buy/trade more which increases engagement with the ePack website.

[DynaEtch]

I’m sure it has to do with saving on production costs and not have mountains of base to store. But it also costs what, $.25 to ship a card home? They may figure people won’t want to pay such a cost for a mere base card, and yet someone down the road has to pay that for the card to finally be shipped physically. 100 base cards is $25 or whatever to ship. Granted some of the cheapo parallels could become $.02 cards with $.25 shipping themselves.

[finfangfan]

The achievement sketches look cool and nice to see Lak Lim back on sketch card duty. It’s been a minute.

[One more set]

Holy sh!t these things are ugly. I’m glad I checked comc before I pulled the trigger.