Why is Zach Edey so bad?

[wilsonsingles]

Why is Zach Edey so bad?

This guy should be dominating, but now can barely score 4 or 5 points a game and 3 rebounds.

Is he hurt?

[jcardstore]

This is why people should take my advice and watch games. It would take no more than a couple games for everyone to see how bad this guy is.

Boban was 7’4 also.

Edey has been significantly overrated because of how terrible this draft is. Pre draft his athleticism got praised, which obviously was nonsense. The guy is just big and slow with really poor hip mobility. He can’t defend anyone in space so the grizzlies can only play him in a deep drop

Completely useless on both ends outside of 3ft. Unplayable against good teams and in games that matter.

Ask yourself next time you watch this guy: is he that much better than a guy like Luka Kornet?

[jcardstore]

It was so funny to see him get pumped after 20/10 games against Toronto and Brooklyn

If only he could play the worst teams in the NBA every night who’s tallest opposing player is 6’11

[letsgocapitals]

He was drafted 9th and is currently top 3 in NBA ROTY odds. Is he really underrated?

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by letsgocapitals

He was drafted 9th and is currently top 3 in NBA ROTY odds. Is he really underrated?

One of the weakest draft/rookie classes I can think of. The player who was drafted #3 just got sent to the G-League.

[MasonAsher]

They haven’t even tried to take advantage of him in the post so we don’t really even know yet.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by MasonAsher

They haven’t even tried to take advantage of him in the post so we don’t really even know yet.

maybe because that's just not going to win games?

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

maybe because that's just not going to win games?

I mean he’s #11 in EFG% among players who have played more than 20 minutes a game, Top 40 in offensive rating out of 275 players with over 20+ MPG…all with a usage percentage of 17.3% which puts him at 153/275.

Top 25 in defensive win shares among centers and Top 30 in defensive rating among centers.

He’s not TERRIBLE but I’m also not saying he’s awesome either.

[jcardstore]

Just watch the games man. He's useless in the modern NBA.

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Just watch the games man. He's useless in the modern NBA.

I do watch them. I’ve watched probably 25-30 of Memphis’ games this year. Useless is a little overstated.

10 and 7.5 as a rookie through two months of the season isn’t useless. But whatever floats your boat.

[wilsonsingles]

Originally Posted by MasonAsher

I do watch them. I’ve watched probably 25-30 of Memphis’ games this year. Useless is a little overstated.

10 and 7.5 as a rookie through two months of the season isn’t useless. But whatever floats your boat.

if he keeps playing the way he is, those will drop to 7 and 5.
I agree he is not useless, though.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by MasonAsher

I do watch them. I’ve watched probably 25-30 of Memphis’ games this year. Useless is a little overstated.

10 and 7.5 as a rookie through two months of the season isn’t useless. But whatever floats your boat.

Fine, it's useful against bad teams and in games that don't matter.

Come playoff time and in games that matter. Edey will be firmly planted on the bench.

I call it useless you can call it matchup dependent if you want. He's too limited as a player to be on the court when the Grizzlies need to win games

[Grave252]

There were a lot of people on here pre-draft saying his game didn't translate to the modern NBA. Weak draft and some of the naysayers are being proven correct.

[zdawgs]

IF and when rules are changed (like moving the 3 point line back and eliminating the shorter corner 3, then Edey would be valuable. The 3 point shot is making the NBA unwatchable. Fans are missing out on great post play that we saw years earlier. All we see are 7 footers shooting 3s. It is a real problem.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

IF and when rules are changed (like moving the 3 point line back and eliminating the shorter corner 3, then Edey would be valuable. The 3 point shot is making the NBA unwatchable. Fans are missing out on great post play that we saw years earlier. All we see are 7 footers shooting 3s. It is a real problem.

[jcardstore]

Yes, everyone totally wants to watch big men back their guy down for 16 seconds and throw up a brick while everyone else stands around.

That was the best

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Fine, it's useful against bad teams and in games that don't matter.

Come playoff time and in games that matter. Edey will be firmly planted on the bench.

I call it useless you can call it matchup dependent if you want. He's too limited as a player to be on the court when the Grizzlies need to win games

Most bigs aren't good Day 1 players. I think he can improve but certainly needs to get better defensively, cut down on fouls, and gain a bit more mobility. No reason he can't be a 10+ year NBA player.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

IF and when rules are changed (like moving the 3 point line back and eliminating the shorter corner 3, then Edey would be valuable. The 3 point shot is making the NBA unwatchable. Fans are missing out on great post play that we saw years earlier. All we see are 7 footers shooting 3s. It is a real problem.

Idk if you watched rockets grizzlies last night but it was not at all "7 footers shooting 3s"

It seems like you're describing victor wembanyama specifically with that statement

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Idk if you watched rockets grizzlies last night but it was not at all "7 footers shooting 3s"

It seems like you're describing victor wembanyama specifically with that statement

Only 10 players 7'0 or taller are averaging more than 2.0 3PA a game.

In the 2014-15 season it was just four players.

So, definitely an uptick and I'd say that too many players are firing them up now because only two of those 10 are shooting better than 40% (KAT and Jay Huff).

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Just watch the games man. He's useless in the modern NBA.

My first thought is that this is exactly why statistics and analytics exist.

Seems like he's been a pretty solid player, no?

[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by MasonAsher

I mean he’s #11 in EFG% among players who have played more than 20 minutes a game, Top 40 in offensive rating out of 275 players with over 20+ MPG…all with a usage percentage of 17.3% which puts him at 153/275.

Top 25 in defensive win shares among centers and Top 30 in defensive rating among centers.

He’s not TERRIBLE but I’m also not saying he’s awesome either.

To maximize his ability they'll have to play at a pace that's too slow to win consistently in the modern NBA.

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

To maximize his ability they'll have to play at a pace that's too slow to win consistently in the modern NBA.

He's averaging 10+ and 7+ on the fastest pace team in the NBA right now while being efficient doing so.

All while being one of 25 centers in the league to do that on the 3rd lowest minutes (21 per game).

If he averages 30 minutes a game, he could easily be a 15 and 10 guy next year and there are only 8 centers with those numbers this season.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

My first thought is that this is exactly why statistics and analytics exist.

Seems like he's been a pretty solid player, no?

looking at stats without understanding what they mean is worse then not understanding what you're watching on the court

analytics are an addition to and not a substitute for watching games. Most advanced analytics are taken out of context anyways because most people don't know how to use them and don't know what they mean. Edey has a .8 EPM this year, Luke Kornet has a 1.1, and Bam Adebayo has a .4.

If you just blindly looked at stats you'd say Kornet was the best player out of that group

I don't even know what solid means. If by solid you mean above average, than no. If by solid you mean a 10 year career 8th man? Sure

Boban had a 9 year NBA career for no reason other than being 7'4.

The fact that he wasn't a late 2nd round pick just shows how truly terrible this draft was and also how badly the Grizzlies reached. He's the 5th best C drafted depending on whether you think Sarr is a 5 or not.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by MasonAsher

He's averaging 10+ and 7+ on the fastest pace team in the NBA right now while being efficient doing so.

All while being one of 25 centers in the league to do that on the 3rd lowest minutes (21 per game).

If he averages 30 minutes a game, he could easily be a 15 and 10 guy next year and there are only 8 centers with those numbers this season.

This will not happen barring the entire Grizzlies front court being injured. Keeping him on the court for 30 minutes would end in the Grizzlies losing most games

He can't scale minutes because most matchups in the NBA are bad for him. Next game just watch how many 3s the guards get off high screen and roll because he's standing in an 8ft deep drop and is too slow to recover

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

This will not happen barring the entire Grizzlies front court being injured. Keeping him on the court for 30 minutes would end in the Grizzlies losing most games

He can't scale minutes because most matchups in the NBA are bad for him. Next game just watch how many 3s the guards get off high screen and roll because he's standing in an 8ft deep drop and is too slow to recover

They are a Top 5 defensive team in the NBA. Their defensive game plan is fine.

In games where he's played 25+ minutes they are 3-2 and he's averaging 12/10.

His growth is going to be slow due to the system that is in place. The Grizzlies are good - they aren't going to let him play through mistakes like GG Jackson last year. He was playing 34 minutes a game last year and Edey is only at 21 minutes a game.