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Old 02-16-2025, 12:16 AM   #1
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Default Should character and personal life affect HOF eligibility?

Case in point, Darren Sharper.

Certified HOF stats, legend of the game.

But a piece of #@#@#@#@ human.

Question is, should the hall of fame be based on playing career stats only? Or an amalgamation of stats and the ability to be a decent human being?
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Old 02-16-2025, 03:52 AM   #2
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I mean they are being honored for their ability to playa a game. There are so many terrible people in the HOF already. Do we remove them?

Jim Brown
OJ Simpson
Ray Lewis
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Old 02-16-2025, 09:21 AM   #3
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Old 02-16-2025, 09:33 AM   #4
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I mean they are being honored for their ability to playa a game. There are so many terrible people in the HOF already. Do we remove them?

Jim Brown
Anybody else watch the Playboy documentary series?

Brown was reportedly a sick guy.
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Old 02-16-2025, 10:36 AM   #5
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It all depends. Senior Committee names Jim Tyrer a finalist this year despite him killing his wife and himself with many saying CTE was to blame.
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I think on the field is all that should matter. If they were caught cheating/betting/altering the outcomes of games. Then I could see a case of not letting them in. But for being a sh#^ Human they should be in. I could only imagine if social media existed back in the day and they didn't let people in the hall for being a$$holes. The HOF would lose half it's members.
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Old 02-16-2025, 12:53 PM   #8
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Question is, should the hall of fame be based on playing career stats only? Or an amalgamation of stats and the ability to be a decent human being?


If OJ is still in...Let 'em in.
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Interesting how this comes up just as Justin Tucker faces more allegations.
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Old 02-16-2025, 12:58 PM   #11
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Whether it should or not, I am sure it does. Human beings are doing the voting and if someone is known to be a bad person or has committed horrendous acts it had to affect the vote of some if not all. In the end it is a balancing act: how great were they and how bad was their conduct. I doubt OJ Simpson would be in the HOF if he became eligible after he killed his wife (among others). I think Terrell Owens had to wait a year because of his bizarre behavior.
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Old 02-16-2025, 01:19 PM   #12
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I think Terrell Owens had to wait a year because of his bizarre behavior.
He had to wait two years and took it pretty personally -- he didn't attend the ceremonies at Canton.

It seems like the voters consider only on-field and locker room behavior -- not off-field stuff. Adrian Peterson whipping his kid with a tree branch isn't likely going to prevent him from getting in on the first ballot.
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He had to wait two years and took it pretty personally -- he didn't attend the ceremonies at Canton.

It seems like the voters consider only on-field and locker room behavior -- not off-field stuff. Adrian Peterson whipping his kid with a tree branch isn't likely going to prevent him from getting in on the first ballot.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had to wait a year. He seems to find himself in the wrong spotlight time and time again.
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Old 02-16-2025, 03:48 PM   #15
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Case in point, Darren Sharper.

Certified HOF stats, legend of the game.

But a piece of #@#@#@#@ human.

Question is, should the hall of fame be based on playing career stats only? Or an amalgamation of stats and the ability to be a decent human being?
Gotta be in, he was one of the most hardest hitting safeties in the league!
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Old 02-16-2025, 04:38 PM   #16
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I wouldn't be surprised if he had to wait a year. He seems to find himself in the wrong spotlight time and time again.
This is definitely how character issues are dealt with in the baseball HOF. I don't know if it works exactly the same in football or not. But in baseball they just make you wait 10 years and hope you die before you get inducted if you have perceived character issues or if you just don't get along with the media like Jim Rice. But once you're in your in. Football doesn't allow players to he removed. Baseball does allow it but they've never done it and there are several criminals and other bad characters in that hall.
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This is definitely how character issues are dealt with in the baseball HOF. I don't know if it works exactly the same in football or not. But in baseball they just make you wait 10 years and hope you die before you get inducted if you have perceived character issues or if you just don't get along with the media like Jim Rice. But once you're in your in. Football doesn't allow players to he removed. Baseball does allow it but they've never done it and there are several criminals and other bad characters in that hall.
Dick Allen only getting inducted now is such a crime. He was salty with the media, but his numbers and impact made him an easy "yes" for me as far as his induction is concerned. I despise how they Hall of Fame did that to him.
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Old 02-16-2025, 08:12 PM   #18
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Case in point, Darren Sharper.

Certified HOF stats, legend of the game.

But a piece of #@#@#@#@ human.

Question is, should the hall of fame be based on playing career stats only? Or an amalgamation of stats and the ability to be a decent human being?
It's not computerized voting, there are humans that do it, so feelings are going to be involved. There are 50 members on the committee where 40 have to approve in the final vote to attain the 80% threshold of induction.

https://www.profootballhof.com/hall-...ction-process/

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The Committee consists of one media representative from each pro football city with two from New York, inasmuch as that city has two teams in the National Football League. A 33rd member is a representative of the Pro Football Writers of America, and there are up to 17 at-large delegates.
If you go down the list, you'll see media,players, coaches & even females. Did the player do something like domestic violence or SA that hits close to home for some of those voters that would sway their vote? Without the voter divulging that, we wouldn't really know. Its surely not in the by-laws(if there is such a thing) to ONLY vote for on-field performance. But ask yourself, do you see a difference between someone like Saquon Barkley and Antonio Brown off-the field?
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Curt Schilling's bloody sock is in the baseball hall of Fame but he's not because of his big mouth, and I love the guy....for what he did for the Red Sox on the field.
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I mean they are being honored for their ability to playa a game. There are so many terrible people in the HOF already. Do we remove them?

Jim Brown
OJ Simpson
Ray Lewis
Marvin Harrison
Harrison wasn't found guilty of anything, nor Brown.
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Curt Schilling's bloody sock is in the baseball hall of Fame but he's not because of his big mouth, and I love the guy....for what he did for the Red Sox on the field.
His stats say otherwise
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No, of course not. It's a stupid idea. That said I look forward to the day that they put Harriet Tubman in the baseball HOF because her goodness outweighed her stats.
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Harrison wasn't found guilty of anything, nor Brown.
Either was OJ. Jim Brown was awful. Google whatever you want about him.

https://deadspin.com/jim-brown-did-g...an-1784269329/

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Gotta be in, he was one of the most hardest hitting safeties in the league!
Very true, though before he gets in, we need to get the one Greg Jennings in for putting his team on his back!
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Tom Brady will be 1st ballot despite one of the more significant player punishments for cheating.
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