Has anyone seen an increase in strange communication during negotiations/transactions

[ksemmel]

I’ll preface by saying roughly 90% of my transactions happen in FaceBook groups. Prior to COVID, most deals were pretty seamless and easy. Since COVID, with the increase of people flipping, there has been a weird turn that I’ve seen in how people conduct business. Below are just a few strange things I’ve received from sellers during negations/transactions within the last two weeks

- Offered $1,000 (94% comps) on a 5 card lot, and was countered $1,010
- Four times I agreed to a price with different dealers and after we agreed to a number, I was told to cover their g&s seller fee or no deal
- Agreed to a deal for $850, seller saw my message asking for his PayPal info, left me on read. He then posted the card several times in other groups for $900, and sold it out from under me. Even stated, “It’s not a deal until I get payment, and if I can make more elsewhere I will do that”
- waited 5 days after a purchase to ask for tracking, and was told I was being pushy and”It will get sent soon”
- Was told, “If you buy on eBay you have to pay taxes”, as the reason the guy would come down from his over-comps price

Is this the new post COVID norm, or am I running into a stretch of bad luck with sellers?

[Big35Hurt]

It seems like the new norm. People are in a brain fog, and it has definitely become worse since Covid. We are on a fast track to Idiocracy.

[Boostedwrx]

Yea more and more people with their SGC and BGS cards trying to get PSA prices. That's what makes me think a person is stupid.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Boostedwrx

Yea more and more people with their SGC and BGS cards trying to get PSA prices. That's what makes me think a person is stupid.

That's almost as stupid as people assigning a higher value to a card in a PSA slab than another slab.

[hermanotarjeta]

The average flipper boi IQ and congeniality has significantly declined in the last five years with the influx of the hype crowd.

I suppose no one in this hobby is trying to win a miss America contest.

You are not alone to notice this. They take customer service and card prices for granted because easy sales is all that they have ever known.

There will be a rude awakening at some time.

The worst is when they flat out lie about competing offers.

Pardon me, I’ve got more clouds to chase.

[asujbl]

I’ve lost so many deals because of the G&S up charge

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That's almost as stupid as people assigning a higher value to a card in a PSA slab than another slab.

Helpful to this thread for sure

[Badgers0821]

I think this is a perfect example of the difference between collectors selling/trading and people trying to do it as a business/side hustle. Talking about fees and shipping on a $1,000 deal is ridiculous. It’s partly why I never buy/sell on platforms like FB, it’s not worth my time.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

I think this is a perfect example of the difference between collectors selling/trading and people trying to do it as a business/side hustle. Talking about fees and shipping on a $1,000 deal is ridiculous. It’s partly why I never buy/sell on platforms like FB, it’s not worth my time.

This in a nutshell

If I’m buying a card for $1,000? Just ship the damn thing and pay your seller fees (again they are your fees)

I will pay you $1,000. You will send me the card

It’s so stupid

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by asujbl

This in a nutshell

If I’m buying a card for $1,000? Just ship the damn thing and pay your seller fees (again they are your fees)

I will pay you $1,000. You will send me the card

It’s so stupid

These people have 0 business sense.

Imagine losing out on a $1K deal over $10?!?

[mfw13]

I posted my Heritage Black Refractor wantlist in a couple of FB Heritage groups, a guy messaged me to tell me he had four cards I needed, and then when I replied, he ghosted....

[hermanotarjeta]

Is this a thread about gen x and millennials complaining about attention deficit gen Z flippa bois?

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

I’ll preface by saying roughly 90% of my transactions happen in FaceBook groups. Prior to COVID, most deals were pretty seamless and easy. Since COVID, with the increase of people flipping, there has been a weird turn that I’ve seen in how people conduct business. Below are just a few strange things I’ve received from sellers during negations/transactions within the last two weeks

- Offered $1,000 (94% comps) on a 5 card lot, and was countered $1,010
- Four times I agreed to a price with different dealers and after we agreed to a number, I was told to cover their g&s seller fee or no deal
- Agreed to a deal for $850, seller saw my message asking for his PayPal info, left me on read. He then posted the card several times in other groups for $900, and sold it out from under me. Even stated, “It’s not a deal until I get payment, and if I can make more elsewhere I will do that”
- waited 5 days after a purchase to ask for tracking, and was told I was being pushy and”It will get sent soon”
- Was told, “If you buy on eBay you have to pay taxes”, as the reason the guy would come down from his over-comps price

Is this the new post COVID norm, or am I running into a stretch of bad luck with sellers?

FB has some winners for sure. No offense to Gio who's on this forum, but the Sportscard Nonsense group has to have the lowest combined IQ of any any group on FB. Also, everyone on FB thinks it's the buyers job to pay PP fees, so there's a lot of nickel and diming on the 2%. Never have I seen so many people receive a card perfectly safe and sound and then go on a 3 page tirade about how they didn't like how it was shipped. It's pure entertainment.

If you do most of your transacting on FB, just know what goes on there is not "normal".

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

These people have 0 business sense.

Imagine losing out on a $1K deal over $10?!?

It's insane... and it's the same people that post "selling cards so I can buy school supplies"

I'll give you $1K - and I'll pay right away

When you tell me to add $10 for shipping? Or add 3% for fees?

I'm out. I hope your kids flunk out. That's how this is going to work

Dummies

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

FB has some winners for sure. No offense to Gio who's on this forum, but the Sportscard Nonsense group has to have the lowest combined IQ of any any group on FB. Also, everyone on FB thinks it's the buyers job to pay PP fees, so there's a lot of nickel and diming on the 2%. Never have I seen so many people receive a card perfectly safe and sound and then go on a 3 page tirade about how they didn't like how it was shipped. It's pure entertainment.

If you do most of your transacting on FB, just know what goes on there is not "normal".

Net to Me

Don't make me bump it

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That's almost as stupid as people assigning a higher value to a card in a PSA slab than another slab.

The card inside doesn't matter.

[Blazed]

I don't go back and fourth

I either hit the BIN, make an offer, or pass

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

FB has some winners for sure. No offense to Gio who's on this forum, but the Sportscard Nonsense group has to have the lowest combined IQ of any any group on FB. Also, everyone on FB thinks it's the buyers job to pay PP fees, so there's a lot of nickel and diming on the 2%. Never have I seen so many people receive a card perfectly safe and sound and then go on a 3 page tirade about how they didn't like how it was shipped. It's pure entertainment.

If you do most of your transacting on FB, just know what goes on there is not "normal".

Any profitable and smart business passes the fees along to the customers

So it is the buyers job to pay the fees

Where the clowns in this hobby screw up is by not rolling it all into the price they're asking

The hobby is simple, people make it complicated

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Blazed

I don't go back and fourth

I either hit the BIN, make an offer, or pass



Any profitable and smart business passes the fees along to the customers

So it is the buyers job to pay the fees

Where the clowns in this hobby screw up is by not rolling it all into the price they're asking

The hobby is simple, people make it complicated

It's still a seller fee. It's not the buyers job. It's the sellers job. You're wrong

It's also smart business, as you reference, to pass that fee on to the buyers by giving me an "all in" price

So I'll agree with you 50%

But it's absolutely not my job to the pay the fees. It's the sellers job to not even let me know about them

That's how business works

[OhioLawyerF5]

I have no problem paying the paypal fee when buying. I could send the seller F&F and they aren't charged any fees. But I also wouldn't get buyer's protection. So I gladly pay the additional 3% for the buyer's protection.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I have no problem paying the paypal fee when buying. I could send the seller F&F and they aren't charged any fees. But I also wouldn't get buyer's protection. So I gladly pay the additional 3% for the buyer's protection.

Everyone on the planet would pay the 3% for the protection. Don't add it on

Just tell me what the damn price is shipped to my door with fees included

That's all that matters

[boxbuster7]

what is up with these "has anyone seen" threads?

the "hobby" is filled with some of the grimiest, most unethical incels living in their moms basement

how about a better question...Why would any shenanigans surprise you at this point?

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I posted my Heritage Black Refractor wantlist in a couple of FB Heritage groups, a guy messaged me to tell me he had four cards I needed, and then when I replied, he ghosted....

This sounds like when my 3 year old son came back from a parade with a bag of candy and pulled one piece out and said. “Dad, look it’s your favorite!” And I replied “nice, can I have it?” And he ended the conversation by saying…”no, it’s mine”.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Everyone on the planet would pay the 3% for the protection. Don't add it on

Just tell me what the damn price is shipped to my door with fees included

That's all that matters

Is it that different if a seller says $103 shipped, or $100 plus fees? Life's too short to give a crap about that distinction without a difference.

[boxbuster7]

I don't know why I read 3% for the protection as something completely different

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Blazed

I don't go back and fourth

I either hit the BIN, make an offer, or pass



Any profitable and smart business passes the fees along to the customers

So it is the buyers job to pay the fees

Where the clowns in this hobby screw up is by not rolling it all into the price they're asking

The hobby is simple, people make it complicated

It’s not difficult to be transparent. The seller should just roll the fees and shipping into the asking price. But negotiating back and forth, a number is agreed upon, AND THEN the seller back doors 3% seller fees onto the buyer… that’s unethical and wrong