Lowest Batting Average for MVP Winner

premium1981 · 08-20-2025, 03:18 PM

With the chatter about who could challenge Ohtani and Judge for the MVP awards something stood out about the guys on their heels. Schwarber in the NL and Raleigh in the AL. Both of them are batting .249 as of this moment in time. We all know that batting average only tells part of the story, but I though it was interesting that if you take away Ohtani (.257 while also pitching 130 inning in 2021) the lowest average for a MVP winner was Roger Maris when he hit 61 in 1961 with a batting average of .269. Just an observation. At the end of the day even before looking at this I feel like the awards belong to Judge and Ohtani.

daveyc1 · 08-20-2025, 03:38 PM

i think it has to be Ohtani and Judge.

boxbuster7 · 08-20-2025, 03:38 PM

why are you obsessed with trashing schwarbers reputation?

premium1981 · 08-20-2025, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

why are you obsessed with trashing schwarbers reputation?

I'm trashing his reputation by stating his batting average? Ummm, ok.

NYBBFAN · 08-20-2025, 04:07 PM

Verlander.

dodgerfanjohn · 08-20-2025, 04:13 PM

I don't have an issue with a lower batting average winning MVP if the player is still productive (as was Maris and Ohtani in the exceptions stated).

What I have a problem with is a guy with a low batting average being prematurely declared MVP when there is objectively a better and more productive player in the same league. I stated so in the Cal Raleigh thread...he isnt at all as good as Aaron Judge this year. Same applies to Schwarber....he isn't as good as Ohtani. That should be the end of the discussion at this moment. Of course injuries, slumps, and other factors can change things. But fanboys tend to take stuff too far.....

boxbuster7 · 08-20-2025, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

I'm trashing his reputation by stating his batting average? Ummm, ok.

you were all over the schwarber thread trying to taint his reputation

why not just accept the fact that he is one of the best power hitters in the league instead of creating a smear campaign?

premium1981 · 08-20-2025, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

you were all over the schwarber thread trying to taint his reputation

why not just accept the fact that he is one of the best power hitters in the league instead of creating a smear campaign?

Are you Kyle Schwarber? You seem to be taking this very personally, and you seem to be incredibly offended by his batting average. I stated my opinion in his HOF thread about how he is no where close to being a HOFer. That hasn't changed. But this thread is about Ohtani and Judge winning the MVP, and if they are truly being challenged like some claim they are, or if they pretty much already have it locked up baring something crazy happening. Who knew it would create a complex in the Schwarber fans out there? Again, his batting average is what it is. That has nothing to do with my opinions or historic MVP winners averages. All facts.

dodgerfanjohn · 08-20-2025, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

you were all over the schwarber thread trying to taint his reputation

why not just accept the fact that he is one of the best power hitters in the league instead of creating a smear campaign?

He is one of the best. He is just not the best. Ohtani has an OPS+ 25 points higher than Schwarber, a WAR thats a point and a half higher and a gap thats likely to widen the more Ohtani pitches, and Schwarber has an OPS this season that is lower than Ohtani's CAREER OPS.

Its closed and shut absent some unforeseen abberation.

Archangel1775 · 08-20-2025, 04:46 PM

Unless Schwarber starts pitching and Raleigh hits the .300 mark by the end of the season, I can't see the MVP awards going to anyone else.

dodgerfanjohn · 08-20-2025, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Are you Kyle Schwarber? You seem to be taking this very personally, and you seem to be incredibly offended by his batting average. I stated my opinion in his HOF thread about how he is no where close to being a HOFer. That hasn't changed. But this thread is about Ohtani and Judge winning the MVP, and if they are truly being challenged like some claim they are, or if they pretty much already have it locked up baring something crazy happening. Who knew it would create a complex in the Schwarber fans out there? Again, his batting average is what it is. That has nothing to do with my opinions or historic MVP winners averages. All facts.

The Raleigh and the Schwarber fans though the Raleigh fans are nicer (albeit just as clueless).

boxbuster7 · 08-20-2025, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Are you Kyle Schwarber? You seem to be taking this very personally, and you seem to be incredibly offended by his batting average. I stated my opinion in his HOF thread about how he is no where close to being a HOFer. That hasn't changed. But this thread is about Ohtani and Judge winning the MVP, and if they are truly being challenged like some claim they are, or if they pretty much already have it locked up baring something crazy happening. Who knew it would create a complex in the Schwarber fans out there? Again, his batting average is what it is. That has nothing to do with my opinions or historic MVP winners averages. All facts.

I am Kyle Schwarber

boxbuster7 · 08-20-2025, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

He is one of the best. He is just not the best. Ohtani has an OPS+ 25 points higher than Schwarber, a WAR thats a point and a half higher and a gap thats likely to widen the more Ohtani pitches, and Schwarber has an OPS this season that is lower than Ohtani's CAREER OPS.

Its closed and shut absent some unforeseen abberation.

I'm not comparing schwarber to the greatest player of all time...

- not once did I say the words Shohei or Ohtani or Shohei Ohtani

dodgerfanjohn · 08-20-2025, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I'm not comparing schwarber to the greatest player of all time...

- not once did I say the words Shohei or Ohtani or Shohei Ohtani

I was led to believe by the title of the thread "lowest batting average for MVP winner" that a case was being made for Schwarber to potentially win NL MVP, which would mean Schwarber is contending with Shohei Ohtani for MVP, hence the comparison.

Bosoxfan5990 · 08-20-2025, 05:29 PM

I thought batting average was an outdated stat?

mgip21 · 08-20-2025, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I am Kyle Schwarber

Get your batting average up!! Problem solved

premium1981 · 08-20-2025, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

The Raleigh and the Schwarber fans though the Raleigh fans are nicer (albeit just as clueless).

I'm a big fan of Cal Raleigh since he comes from a my parts of NC. We even went to the HR Derby this year and got to see him mash in ATL. With that being said, he isn't Aaron Judge, and most of his fans know that. Phillies fans have a little bit harder time admitting things that the rest of the baseball world sees.

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Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

I was led to believe by the title of the thread "lowest batting average for MVP winner" that a case was being made for Schwarber to potentially win NL MVP, which would mean Schwarber is contending with Shohei Ohtani for MVP, hence the comparison.

Sorry, I might should have worded it different. It was more about the people talking about the contenders for MVP. And as I'm looking at things I just don't see a strong case for anyone outside of the 2 front runners (Judge & Ohtani). Some have even said Raleigh should win easily, and I just don't understand why.

boxbuster7 · 08-20-2025, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mgip21

Get your batting average up!! Problem solved

I'm too busy hitting DINGERS

mgip21 · 08-20-2025, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I'm too busy hitting DINGERS

That’s your problem. OPS and average and non-pitching are way behind the other guy, so you really have no case but you know this you just like to be confrontational. Haha junior high stuff.

PS the other guy is pretty good at hitting dingers also

dodgerfanjohn · 08-20-2025, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Sorry, I might should have worded it different. It was more about the people talking about the contenders for MVP. And as I'm looking at things I just don't see a strong case for anyone outside of the 2 front runners (Judge & Ohtani). Some have even said Raleigh should win easily, and I just don't understand why.

We agree.

Rooftop · 08-20-2025, 06:46 PM

WTF cares..

bulljh · 08-20-2025, 06:59 PM

I never thought I’d see a starting pitcher win the Cy Young with 10 wins, but here we are

Big35Hurt · 08-20-2025, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I'm too busy hitting DINGERS

And even busier STRIKING OUT

coltsnsox07 · 08-20-2025, 07:35 PM

Ted Williams was embarrassed of his .254 average at age 40 in 1959 so he made himself play one more year at age 41 and hit .316 with 29 homers.

boxbuster7 · 08-20-2025, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooftop

WTF cares..

I concur

08-20-2025, 03:18 PM	#1
premium1981 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,064	Lowest Batting Average for MVP Winner With the chatter about who could challenge Ohtani and Judge for the MVP awards something stood out about the guys on their heels. Schwarber in the NL and Raleigh in the AL. Both of them are batting .249 as of this moment in time. We all know that batting average only tells part of the story, but I though it was interesting that if you take away Ohtani (.257 while also pitching 130 inning in 2021) the lowest average for a MVP winner was Roger Maris when he hit 61 in 1961 with a batting average of .269. Just an observation. At the end of the day even before looking at this I feel like the awards belong to Judge and Ohtani.

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08-20-2025, 03:38 PM	#2
daveyc1 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: maine Posts: 1,776	i think it has to be Ohtani and Judge.

08-20-2025, 04:13 PM	#6
dodgerfanjohn Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 5,101 sternroolz	I don't have an issue with a lower batting average winning MVP if the player is still productive (as was Maris and Ohtani in the exceptions stated). What I have a problem with is a guy with a low batting average being prematurely declared MVP when there is objectively a better and more productive player in the same league. I stated so in the Cal Raleigh thread...he isnt at all as good as Aaron Judge this year. Same applies to Schwarber....he isn't as good as Ohtani. That should be the end of the discussion at this moment. Of course injuries, slumps, and other factors can change things. But fanboys tend to take stuff too far.....

08-20-2025, 06:46 PM	#21
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,477	WTF cares..

08-20-2025, 06:59 PM	#22
bulljh Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sparks, NV Posts: 6,246 bulljh	I never thought I’d see a starting pitcher win the Cy Young with 10 wins, but here we are Last edited by bulljh; 08-20-2025 at 07:16 PM.

08-20-2025, 07:35 PM	#24
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 21,968	Ted Williams was embarrassed of his .254 average at age 40 in 1959 so he made himself play one more year at age 41 and hit .316 with 29 homers.