Do you agree with Andrew Jones and Beltran making the HOF

CommomSensei88 · 01-20-2026, 07:32 PM

Do you agree with Andruw Jones and Beltran making the HOF?

Andrew Jones 17 years
Career
BA .254
OBP .337
Hits 1933
OPS+ 111
HR 434
WAR 62.7
10x Gold Glove

Carlos Beltran-Cheating Scandal

JRX · 01-20-2026, 07:35 PM

Who cares it hasn't been a small hall in ages and they want to have a big fancy induction ceremony. For me, Beltran will always be remembered standing there with the bat on his shoulder vs wainwright. Ironically the one time everyone else knew what pitch was coming except him.

hammertime · 01-20-2026, 07:37 PM

Yes....

chilly55 · 01-20-2026, 07:42 PM

Have been advocating Andruw Jones since he became eligible. Many consider him one of the greatest outfielders of all-time as do I. His offensive numbers don't scream HOF, but it was his defense that ultimately got him in. The only thing that really held him back was his domestic violence charges & the Hall's character clause.

Aribasebal · 01-20-2026, 07:44 PM

Beltran definitely not. Was a compiler along with being part of the Astros scandal. Andrew Jones meh

eastbayak · 01-20-2026, 07:46 PM

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PoPCulture · 01-20-2026, 07:51 PM

As a lifelong Braves fan, I’m happy to see Jones make it in.

Also, as a lifelong Braves fan, I don’t like that Jones is in while Dale Murphy is not.

eye4talent · 01-20-2026, 07:55 PM

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Beltran definitely not. Was a compiler along with being part of the Astros scandal. Andrew Jones meh

A compiler in the sense that he had lots of productive seasons because he was really good for a long time.

The cheating aspect makes sense. But as a player, he fits the bill.

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PeteD · 01-20-2026, 08:00 PM

Jones yes, C.Beltran meh.

CommomSensei88 · 01-20-2026, 08:03 PM

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MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-20-2026, 08:17 PM

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CommomSensei88 · 01-20-2026, 08:18 PM

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Have been advocating Andruw Jones since he became eligible. Many consider him one of the greatest outfielders of all-time as do I. His offensive numbers don't scream HOF, but it was his defense that ultimately got him in. The only thing that really held him back was his domestic violence charges & the Hall's character clause.

What about Keith Hernandez?
11x Gold Gloves and an MVP
He should be in the HOF based on Defense too.

coltsnsox07 · 01-20-2026, 08:25 PM

The H.O.V.G. yes, H.O.F. hell no.
But then again none of this makes any sense since Curt Schilling isn't in it.
Both guys played forever and compiled stats yet neither could muster 3000 hits or 500 home runs?

erock28 · 01-20-2026, 08:41 PM

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The H.O.V.G. yes, H.O.F. hell no. AGREED
But then again none of this makes any sense since Curt Schilling isn't in it. AGREED
Both guys played forever and compiled stats yet neither could muster 3000 hits or 500 home runs?

Last part, and in "defense" of Jones - he was well on his way at age 30. WELL on his way. Then got fat and lazy and really only played the equivalent of 2-3 full seasons. So while he seemed to play forever, his career wasn't as long as you think. If his prime lasted through age 33 and he aged gracefully to 38-39, he likely hits 600 HRs with a WAR in the 80's, i.e. a slam dunk case. I'm NOT a fan of him in the Hall, but through his 20s his case was pretty strong. But then he got lazy. And fat. And beat his wife. So eff him.

duwal · 01-20-2026, 08:53 PM

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Both guys played forever and compiled stats yet neither could muster 3000 hits or 500 home runs?

Andruw retiring at age 35 is "playing forever"?

MantleMarisFord · 01-20-2026, 08:56 PM

Very happy for Audruw. Beltran I must confess I am shocked…I mean, I guess he had decent career stats but the two things people remember about him is striking out with the bat on his shoulder to end the Mets playoff run and being the architect of the Astros cheating scandal. And that gets you in the Hall?!?!

StateEx · 01-20-2026, 09:00 PM

No on both for me. They seem like Hall of Very Good candidates and that's disregarding the cheating/abusing.

pspa123 · 01-20-2026, 09:02 PM

Jones is borderline. He was a negative after age 30. His hitting status compare unfavorably to one and done Jim Edmonds.

JWBlue · 01-20-2026, 09:17 PM

A lot of HOF is not just numbers for me. It is more, "Watching him play did I feel he was a HOF player?"

I am on the fence with Jones but leaning yes. I hate that he didn't seem to care that much about baseball after being paid.

Beltran. I just don't think of him as a HOF player despite his numbers.

DadofTwins · 01-20-2026, 09:39 PM

Jones Yes
Beltran Absolutely not.

Changing of the guard in the Hall voting base wants a big Hall of Fame. Future votes are going to be very different

Bosoxfan5990 · 01-20-2026, 09:41 PM

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BonVoyage · 01-20-2026, 09:58 PM

Based on fWAR, they deserve to be in. 74th (Beltran) and 77th (Jones) ranked players of all time. While Jones accumulated 96% of his fWAR by the time he turned 31, Beltran had only accumulated 65% by then.

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saj4423 · 01-20-2026, 10:19 PM

my only issue is where is Donny baseball the Hitman #23 on your score card and #1 in my heart? That man needs to be in the Hall of Fame.

01-20-2026, 07:37 PM	#3
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01-20-2026, 07:51 PM	#7
PoPCulture Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: In the Goldilocks Zone Posts: 8,775	As a lifelong Braves fan, I’m happy to see Jones make it in. Also, as a lifelong Braves fan, I don’t like that Jones is in while Dale Murphy is not. __________________ Short Print

01-20-2026, 08:00 PM	#9
PeteD Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Igloo up north Posts: 1,643	Jones yes, C.Beltran meh. __________________ Gutted Bo Bichette fan.

01-20-2026, 09:02 PM	#18
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,771	Jones is borderline. He was a negative after age 30. His hitting status compare unfavorably to one and done Jim Edmonds. __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

01-20-2026, 09:17 PM	#19
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 10,274	A lot of HOF is not just numbers for me. It is more, "Watching him play did I feel he was a HOF player?" I am on the fence with Jones but leaning yes. I hate that he didn't seem to care that much about baseball after being paid. Beltran. I just don't think of him as a HOF player despite his numbers. __________________ Hobby favorites : Redemptions, Black /1 cards, Baseball : Topps flagship

01-20-2026, 07:32 PM	#1
CommomSensei88 Member Join Date: Oct 2025 Posts: 71	Do you agree with Andruw Jones and Beltran making the HOF Do you agree with Andruw Jones and Beltran making the HOF? Andrew Jones 17 years Career BA .254 OBP .337 Hits 1933 OPS+ 111 HR 434 WAR 62.7 10x Gold Glove Carlos Beltran-Cheating Scandal Last edited by CommomSensei88; 01-21-2026 at 05:48 PM.

01-20-2026, 07:35 PM	#2
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 16,126	Who cares it hasn't been a small hall in ages and they want to have a big fancy induction ceremony. For me, Beltran will always be remembered standing there with the bat on his shoulder vs wainwright. Ironically the one time everyone else knew what pitch was coming except him.

01-20-2026, 07:42 PM	#4
chilly55 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dumfries, Va Posts: 3,581	Have been advocating Andruw Jones since he became eligible. Many consider him one of the greatest outfielders of all-time as do I. His offensive numbers don't scream HOF, but it was his defense that ultimately got him in. The only thing that really held him back was his domestic violence charges & the Hall's character clause.

01-20-2026, 07:44 PM	#5
Aribasebal Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 1,600 Aribasebal	Beltran definitely not. Was a compiler along with being part of the Astros scandal. Andrew Jones meh

01-20-2026, 07:46 PM	#6
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 16,941 eastbayak	PBM, how are you not banned (again) yet?!

01-20-2026, 08:25 PM	#13
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,450	The H.O.V.G. yes, H.O.F. hell no. But then again none of this makes any sense since Curt Schilling isn't in it. Both guys played forever and compiled stats yet neither could muster 3000 hits or 500 home runs?

01-20-2026, 08:56 PM	#16
MantleMarisFord Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 127	Very happy for Audruw. Beltran I must confess I am shocked…I mean, I guess he had decent career stats but the two things people remember about him is striking out with the bat on his shoulder to end the Mets playoff run and being the architect of the Astros cheating scandal. And that gets you in the Hall?!?!

01-20-2026, 09:00 PM	#17
StateEx Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,103	No on both for me. They seem like Hall of Very Good candidates and that's disregarding the cheating/abusing.

01-20-2026, 09:39 PM	#20
DadofTwins Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oshkosh Wi Posts: 2,228 Exposfan Exposfan1998	Jones Yes Beltran Absolutely not. Changing of the guard in the Hall voting base wants a big Hall of Fame. Future votes are going to be very different __________________ Never forget Baker Mayfield blew a 31-14 lead in the Rose Bowl.

01-20-2026, 09:58 PM	#22
BonVoyage Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 2,067	Based on fWAR, they deserve to be in. 74th (Beltran) and 77th (Jones) ranked players of all time. While Jones accumulated 96% of his fWAR by the time he turned 31, Beltran had only accumulated 65% by then. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-20-2026, 10:19 PM	#25
saj4423 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 126 saj44232	my only issue is where is Donny baseball the Hitman #23 on your score card and #1 in my heart? That man needs to be in the Hall of Fame.