Panini producing fake cards in NT... this ticks me off..

Imac7065 · 03-16-2013, 01:28 PM

I'm sick of it... there isn't a single post I can write without it being trolled anymore... forget it. Once again it's "my fault" that 4 people are trolling me.. good god

hotbox · 03-16-2013, 01:30 PM

Oh boy....

Edit: Maybe I'm missing something. What makes this card fake?

hohlernr · 03-16-2013, 01:32 PM

Excuse my ignorance, but what is wrong here?

cardinalscards4 · 03-16-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hotbox

Oh boy....

Edit: Maybe I'm missing something. What makes this card fake?

1920s era player with a modern patch...

Imac7065 · 03-16-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hohlernr

Excuse my ignorance, but what is wrong here?

Rogers Hornsby never played in an era with machine sewed nylon uniforms (nor managed)... this patch in this card is 100% fake.

Andrew Jones · 03-16-2013, 01:32 PM

Very insightful post, especially all the facts about how the card is fake. It looks like an authentic National Treasures card to me.

ac78217 · 03-16-2013, 01:33 PM

No stand is being made because most people in this "hobby" are in it for the thrill of the next big pool or flip.

What percentage of collectors are in this to build a collection to pass down to their children?

Andrew Jones · 03-16-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Imac7065

Rogers Hornsby never played in an era with machine sewed nylon uniforms (nor managed)... this patch in this card is 100% fake.

Wouldn't that make the patch fake as opposed to the card?

hotbox · 03-16-2013, 01:33 PM

What if a good ole patch faker got a hold on this card?

And how is the card fake? The patch is fake

Imac7065 · 03-16-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

Very insightful post, especially all the facts about how the card is fake. It looks like an authentic National Treasures card to me.

That's the problem.. it is an authentic NT card... THE PATCH IS FAKE. The guy I got the scan from popped it himself

SavageScott · 03-16-2013, 01:35 PM

What about an old timers game? I have no clue just asking.

mcgoo2 · 03-16-2013, 01:35 PM

This was brought up early. It's from his coaching days on the reds in 1953(?)

cubs4life · 03-16-2013, 01:36 PM

I think it was determined somewhere here on Blowout that the jersey used is actually a jersey that was worn/used by Hornsby. Obviously not a game used jersey from his playing days but an auction site was listed as certification if I remember correctly.

mcgoo2 · 03-16-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cubs4life

I think it was determined somewhere here on Blowout that the jersey used is actually a jersey that was worn/used by Hornsby. Obviously not a game used jersey from his playing days but an auction site was listed as certification if I remember correctly.

Yep. Found the link: Hunt Auctions

nephinfan · 03-16-2013, 01:37 PM

So here's a question. When did they start using machine processed uniforms like this? Could they have been used at some point when Hornsby would have put on a jersey for something (managing, old-timers game, etc.)?

onenineeightsix · 03-16-2013, 01:37 PM

I thought it was already determined that this patch was from this jersey he wore as Manager for the Reds.

Andrew Jones · 03-16-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Imac7065

That's the problem.. it is an authentic NT card... THE PATCH IS FAKE. The guy I got the scan from popped it himself

Did you pull it? If not, how do you know it came out of the pack that way?

Also, what language does Panini use regarding authenticity? If they simply say the patch was game-used without identifying when and by whom it was used, technically that could be legit even assuming the patch wasn't altered after the fact.

Imac7065 · 03-16-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cubs4life

I think it was determined somewhere here on Blowout that the jersey used is actually a jersey that was worn/used by Hornsby. Obviously not a game used jersey from his playing days but an auction site was listed as certification if I remember correctly.

I would like to see information on this.. that patch isn't authentic even in the 50's... I would conservatively estimate 1970's or newer. Hornsby passed away in 1963.. I do not believe any team was wearing polyester/nylon/mesh machine sewed uniforms at that time.

cubs4life · 03-16-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgoo2

Yep. Found the link: Hunt Auctions

Boom. Case closed.

Imac7065 · 03-16-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

Did you pull it? If not, how do you know it came out of the pack that way?

Also, what language does Panini use regarding authenticity? If they simply say the patch was game-used without identifying the player who used it, technically that could be legit even assuming the patch wasn't altered after the fact.

you really are a piece of work man.. wow

Imac7065 · 03-16-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cubs4life

Boom. Case closed.

this patch did not come from that jersey. You can clearly see machine sewed edges on the patch and a gray polyester or nylon swatch underneath. The edges of that jersey are also dark blue.. not red

EDIT: It is possible what appears to be gray in the scan is possibly dark blue.. however there are still no machine sewed edges in the hunt jersey.

pnft17 · 03-16-2013, 01:42 PM

Why anybody puts any stock in game used cards always amazes me, Esp all these really old ones, with jerseys that look like they were made last week with zero use or fraying on them. In old days they used around 2 jerseys an entire season. Then jerseys got sent down and used in minors.

onenineeightsix · 03-16-2013, 01:43 PM

Put it to vote, or instead, email Tracy Hackler. I think it's real, just certainly not from his playing days with the Cardinals.

Imac7065 · 03-16-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by onenineeightsix

Put it to vote, or instead, email Tracy Hackler. I think it's real, just certainly not from his playing days with the Cardinals.

I do not know how to post a poll.. but would love to hear Tracy Hackler's response to this.

Andrew Jones · 03-16-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Imac7065

you really are a piece of work man.. wow

Coming from a confirmed liar, I take that as a huge compliment.

I'm sorry for sidetracking your factually-lacking rant with legitimate questions that you can't/won't answer. Carry on.

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hotbox Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: New York Posts: 14,324 hotboxcards	Oh boy.... Edit: Maybe I'm missing something. What makes this card fake? __________________ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Andrew Jones Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 10,862 um1998nc	Very insightful post, especially all the facts about how the card is fake. It looks like an authentic National Treasures card to me. __________________ Those who can, do. Those who can't resort to calling other people trolls.

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ac78217 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,280	No stand is being made because most people in this "hobby" are in it for the thrill of the next big pool or flip. What percentage of collectors are in this to build a collection to pass down to their children?

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cubs4life Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,001	I think it was determined somewhere here on Blowout that the jersey used is actually a jersey that was worn/used by Hornsby. Obviously not a game used jersey from his playing days but an auction site was listed as certification if I remember correctly.

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nephinfan Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,644 nephinfan	So here's a question. When did they start using machine processed uniforms like this? Could they have been used at some point when Hornsby would have put on a jersey for something (managing, old-timers game, etc.)? __________________ "To err is human, to forgive canine." ---Anonymous.

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onenineeightsix Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,415 onenineeightsixsportscards	I thought it was already determined that this patch was from this jersey he wore as Manager for the Reds. __________________ http://www.society6.com/nahtesnihctuh Make your experience on the Blowout forums a better one and block user KhalDrogo today!

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pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,693	Why anybody puts any stock in game used cards always amazes me, Esp all these really old ones, with jerseys that look like they were made last week with zero use or fraying on them. In old days they used around 2 jerseys an entire season. Then jerseys got sent down and used in minors.

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onenineeightsix Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,415 onenineeightsixsportscards	Put it to vote, or instead, email Tracy Hackler. I think it's real, just certainly not from his playing days with the Cardinals. __________________ http://www.society6.com/nahtesnihctuh Make your experience on the Blowout forums a better one and block user KhalDrogo today!