2010 topps minor league product

mma138 · 12-05-2009, 11:51 AM

i cant beleive there using the same design as boring 2010 topps. why the hell do they do this ? i guess they really dont care about the real collectors.

how lazy can they be ?

Product Preview: 2010 Topps Pro Debut Minor League baseball cards The Beckett Blog

DadofTwins · 12-05-2009, 12:50 PM

They are Topps, and They are exclusive- No creativity needed. They don't care.

mma138 · 12-05-2009, 12:57 PM

well they wont be getting any of my money for either release

VinnyH · 12-05-2009, 12:59 PM

The checklist they show doesn't seem to have any blockbuster prospects, IMHO. Some guys have already been on Bowman products like Moustakas.

Vinny

pskell02 · 12-05-2009, 01:02 PM

While this set is crap, go ahead and sit on your thumb while I bust Topps 1 and turn a profit just like every year. While keeping a complete master set for myself. That is one of the only no brainer products every year. I don't see why you are so up in arms about a product that has a box cost of $45 and $60 for jumbos.

mma138 · 12-06-2009, 02:32 AM

a set's design is realy important to me. for the past few years the topps designs have been so boring and bland. it's like theres no effort there.

i have bought a few boxes here and there. but not much. i would buy alot more if they looked better. i do rip and flip , but not very much. so merely buying some boxes to sell the cards and 'hope" for a profit is not my thing.

i collect mostly for myself.

swerve · 12-06-2009, 11:52 AM

Funny most everyone I know are really pleased about the 2010 Topps design.

ohiomike · 12-06-2009, 12:43 PM

Using the same design is a GREAT decision. Its what worked for Upper Deck and their very successful Prospect Premieres releases from 2001-2003. This is shaping up to be as solid of a product as a minor league product can be.

mma138 · 12-06-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by swerve

Funny most everyone I know are really pleased about the 2010 Topps design.

really ? the team logo and the players name on the bottom with his position. then to the left you have a little swoooooooosh of color . wow ? that was hard to come up with. who ever came up with it, probably took them 2 seconds to come up with it.

very little creativity there

ohiomike · 12-06-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mma138

really ? the team logo and the players name on the bottom with his position. then to the left you have a little swoooooooosh of color . wow ? that was hard to come up with. who ever came up with it, probably took them 2 seconds to come up with it.

very little creativity there

Most of the vintage Topps designs were very uncreative and simple. And those designs have become so popular that they reprint the designs every year now for various sets. Pacific had some of the most creative and innovative designs and look where that got them.

I personally don't have a problem with the designs lately, including the 2010 design... but I can understand if you find it too bland for your tastes. But the main issue is that Topps was smart to use the same design (however good or bad you think it is) for the minor league set as the staple Topps product.

pskell02 · 12-06-2009, 01:50 PM

swerve, I'm one of those guys that loves the design of this years Topps 1. Its clean, simple, and focuses on the photography. Those who are saying its too plain need to remember, this is the base product. It is a set builders product and I would be terribly disappointed if it were covered in foil in an attempt to make it look like a higher end product. Do you like the base UD design that is just a picture and a name written in silver from 08? Now thats a plain and boring design.

I'm not trying to change anyones mind here and respect your thoughts/opinions, it just seems to me that people expect too much out of a $2 /pack product.

derekfan2 · 12-06-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pskell02

swerve, I'm one of those guys that loves the design of this years Topps 1. Its clean, simple, and focuses on the photography. Those who are saying its too plain need to remember, this is the base product. It is a set builders product and I would be terribly disappointed if it were covered in foil in an attempt to make it look like a higher end product. Do you like the base UD design that is just a picture and a name written in silver from 08? Now thats a plain and boring design.

I'm not trying to change anyones mind here and respect your thoughts/opinions, it just seems to me that people expect too much out of a $2 /pack product.

I completely agree with you. Base products aren't supposed to be extravegent designs. They should be simple for all of us set builders. I personally really like this years design

mma138 · 12-06-2009, 02:40 PM

i defenetly disagree that the vintage designs were un creative and simple.

1960, 1963, 1965 , 1968,

1972 , 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1979

i would not describe these as bland

yes the upper deck base is very plain. i know this is just regular topps. i just feel they can be a little more creative. the last one i really liked was 04 and 05

as far as the minor league product ,the logo on the upper left hand corner makes the card look nicer to me.

bcon2221 · 12-06-2009, 03:01 PM

those cut autographs are stupid why cant they just insert the aflac autographs as they always do like bowman

Zacky1053 · 12-06-2009, 03:13 PM

So Tri-Star lost the rights to the 'Pro Debut' designations?

jalail08 · 12-06-2009, 05:29 PM

THe new Sterling will be a highly sought product, might have some good prospects patches or something.

bmc398 · 12-07-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Zacky1053

So Tri-Star lost the rights to the 'Pro Debut' designations?

Yes. Topps got the exclusive on Minor League cards so Tristar can no longer make them

Zacky1053 · 12-07-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bmc398

Yes. Topps got the exclusive on Minor League cards so Tristar can no longer make them

Well I didn't dare go near them when Tri-Star made them but maybe I'll be interested now. We'll see.

ribsandwhiskey · 12-07-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Zacky1053

Well I didn't dare go near them when Tri-Star made them but maybe I'll be interested now. We'll see.

I agree. Should definitely be interesting.

Hail2TheVictors · 12-07-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bmc398

Yes. Topps got the exclusive on Minor League cards so Tristar can no longer make them

Just to be clear-TriStar CAN still make minor league cards-they just have to airbrush the names of teams off of jerseys, hats, helmets, etc. because they no longer have a contract with minor league baseball.

DaClyde · 12-07-2009, 08:21 AM

Tri-Star could still make cards of the independent leagues (Northern, CanAm, Golden, American Association, Atlantic, Frontier, United, etc), but I don't see that happening.

Johan Santana · 12-07-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bcon2221

those cut autographs are stupid why cant they just insert the aflac autographs as they always do like bowman

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ohiomike · 12-07-2009, 12:00 PM

The latest Tristar release has all current minor leaguers as far as players go, but all of them have airbrushed blank uniforms. Basically the same situation as Upper Deck and MLB products in 2010... they can use all the players, just no logos on the cards or the pictures (since UD still has a MLBPA license). You don't need a special license to use minor league players on cards though. Just one to use the team and league logos.

mma138 · 12-20-2009, 02:36 PM

i guess theres still hope. im hoping that the new bowman has a nice design. im sure topps will be releasing the sell sheet soon

Jrod · 12-20-2009, 05:15 PM

I don't really see a problem with the design. I'm actually a fan of minor league products. I opened a box of 2008 Projections last year and it piqued my interest to by more of that sort of thing in the future. I might just get another box or two of Projections this for my Christmas thing actually.

12-05-2009, 11:51 AM	#1
mma138 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,947	2010 topps minor league product i cant beleive there using the same design as boring 2010 topps. why the hell do they do this ? i guess they really dont care about the real collectors. how lazy can they be ? Product Preview: 2010 Topps Pro Debut Minor League baseball cards The Beckett Blog

12-05-2009, 12:50 PM	#2
DadofTwins Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hartland Wi Posts: 2,225 Exposfan Exposfan1998	They are Topps, and They are exclusive- No creativity needed. They don't care. __________________ Never forget Baker Mayfield blew a 31-14 lead in the Rose Bowl.

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VinnyH Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 10,264 vjweb VinnyH	Not too many prospects... The checklist they show doesn't seem to have any blockbuster prospects, IMHO. Some guys have already been on Bowman products like Moustakas. Vinny __________________ I admit, I like collectibles for the action. Buying, selling, prospecting, gambling, etc., are parts of the fun. I will say that being older than many here I just can’t justify sticker autos. Give me a nice on-card auto and I feel that little connection to the signer.

12-05-2009, 01:02 PM	#5
pskell02 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 21,934 pskell02 pskell02	While this set is crap, go ahead and sit on your thumb while I bust Topps 1 and turn a profit just like every year. While keeping a complete master set for myself. That is one of the only no brainer products every year. I don't see why you are so up in arms about a product that has a box cost of $45 and $60 for jumbos. __________________ Click here to be notified when I post a new group break https://www.sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=pskell02

12-06-2009, 11:52 AM	#7
swerve Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: AUSTIN, TX Posts: 5,086 0023	Funny most everyone I know are really pleased about the 2010 Topps design. __________________ checkoutmycards.com/users/0023 Last edited by swerve; 12-06-2009 at 12:44 PM.

12-05-2009, 12:57 PM	#3
mma138 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,947	well they wont be getting any of my money for either release

12-06-2009, 02:32 AM	#6
mma138 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,947	a set's design is realy important to me. for the past few years the topps designs have been so boring and bland. it's like theres no effort there. i have bought a few boxes here and there. but not much. i would buy alot more if they looked better. i do rip and flip , but not very much. so merely buying some boxes to sell the cards and 'hope" for a profit is not my thing. i collect mostly for myself.

12-06-2009, 12:43 PM	#8
ohiomike Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 4,121 buckeyesportcards ohiomike	Using the same design is a GREAT decision. Its what worked for Upper Deck and their very successful Prospect Premieres releases from 2001-2003. This is shaping up to be as solid of a product as a minor league product can be. __________________ Find me at SPORTLOTS.COM - OHIOMIKE Domestic orders over 50 cards ship ABSOLUTELY FREE with me, copy and paste this URL: http://www.sportlots.com/inven/invenbin/dealerpage.tpl?dealer=ohiomike

12-06-2009, 01:50 PM	#11
pskell02 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 21,934 pskell02 pskell02	swerve, I'm one of those guys that loves the design of this years Topps 1. Its clean, simple, and focuses on the photography. Those who are saying its too plain need to remember, this is the base product. It is a set builders product and I would be terribly disappointed if it were covered in foil in an attempt to make it look like a higher end product. Do you like the base UD design that is just a picture and a name written in silver from 08? Now thats a plain and boring design. I'm not trying to change anyones mind here and respect your thoughts/opinions, it just seems to me that people expect too much out of a $2 /pack product. __________________ Click here to be notified when I post a new group break https://www.sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=pskell02

12-06-2009, 02:40 PM	#13
mma138 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,947	i defenetly disagree that the vintage designs were un creative and simple. 1960, 1963, 1965 , 1968, 1972 , 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1979 i would not describe these as bland yes the upper deck base is very plain. i know this is just regular topps. i just feel they can be a little more creative. the last one i really liked was 04 and 05 as far as the minor league product ,the logo on the upper left hand corner makes the card look nicer to me.

12-06-2009, 03:01 PM	#14
bcon2221 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Long Island Posts: 423 brandon893	those cut autographs are stupid why cant they just insert the aflac autographs as they always do like bowman __________________ Always buying 2011/2015 Francisco Lindor cards Instagram: @strongislandsportscards

12-06-2009, 03:13 PM	#15
Zacky1053 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 22,750 Zacky1053	So Tri-Star lost the rights to the 'Pro Debut' designations?

12-06-2009, 05:29 PM	#16
jalail08 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 156	THe new Sterling will be a highly sought product, might have some good prospects patches or something. __________________ Currently looking for Wil Myers and Jesus Strasburg.

12-07-2009, 08:21 AM	#21
DaClyde Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 873 daclyde1 DaClyde	Tri-Star could still make cards of the independent leagues (Northern, CanAm, Golden, American Association, Atlantic, Frontier, United, etc), but I don't see that happening.

12-07-2009, 12:00 PM	#23
ohiomike Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 4,121 buckeyesportcards ohiomike	The latest Tristar release has all current minor leaguers as far as players go, but all of them have airbrushed blank uniforms. Basically the same situation as Upper Deck and MLB products in 2010... they can use all the players, just no logos on the cards or the pictures (since UD still has a MLBPA license). You don't need a special license to use minor league players on cards though. Just one to use the team and league logos. __________________ Find me at SPORTLOTS.COM - OHIOMIKE Domestic orders over 50 cards ship ABSOLUTELY FREE with me, copy and paste this URL: http://www.sportlots.com/inven/invenbin/dealerpage.tpl?dealer=ohiomike Last edited by ohiomike; 12-07-2009 at 12:03 PM.

12-20-2009, 02:36 PM	#24
mma138 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,947	i guess theres still hope. im hoping that the new bowman has a nice design. im sure topps will be releasing the sell sheet soon

12-20-2009, 05:15 PM	#25
Jrod Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Charlotte, North Cackalack Posts: 236	I don't really see a problem with the design. I'm actually a fan of minor league products. I opened a box of 2008 Projections last year and it piqued my interest to by more of that sort of thing in the future. I might just get another box or two of Projections this for my Christmas thing actually. __________________ Mainly looking for Carolina Panthers, Charlotte Bobcats, Carolina Hurricanes, and Boston Red Sox stuff.