Vladimir Guerrero Retirement - Future HOFer?

[egforevervlad]

Today marks the official day that Vladimir Guerrero has retired. He stated that he has retired due to his desires to spend more time with his family. Now is he a HOFer?

Accolades/Stat Line in a 16 year career

Avg - .318
OBP - .317
OPS - .931
SLG - 553
Doubles - 477
Triples - 46
Hits - 2,590
Hrs - 449
RBI - 1,496
SBs - 191
BB - 737
IBB - 250

9x All-star
8x Silver Slugger
2x 30-30 Club (almost 3-time)
2007 Home Run Derby Winner
2004 AL MVP
Only right handed hitter among 4 or 5 hitters to have 10+ seasons hitting for an average minimum of .300

He has established himself as one of the most feared hitters of his time as a 5-tool player as well.

[centereacan06]

Absolutely.

[jasonadkins]

Steroid era lingo will kill him the same way it has Bagwell and Piazza. So probably won't get in, but deserves to be.

[Hf32jkm5]

 Sim  Player              From  To Yrs  WAR   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB   SO    BA   OBP   SLG   SB   CS OPS+ 
+---++-------------------+---------+--+-----+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+
      Vladimir Guerrero   1996-2011 16  59.9 2147  8155 1328 2590 477  46 449 1496  737  985  .318  .379  .553  181  94  140
 860  Jeff Bagwell        1991-2005 15  79.5 2150  7797 1517 2314 488  32 449 1529 1401 1558  .297  .408  .540  202  78  149
 860  Larry Walker        1989-2005 17  72.6 1988  6907 1355 2160 471  62 383 1311  913 1231  .313  .400  .565  230  76  141
 849* Jim Rice            1974-1989 16  47.2 2089  8225 1249 2452 373  79 382 1451  670 1423  .298  .352  .502   58  34  128
 840* Willie Stargell     1962-1982 21  57.3 2360  7927 1195 2232 423  55 475 1540  937 1936  .282  .360  .529   17  16  147
 840* Billy Williams      1959-1976 18  63.8 2488  9350 1410 2711 434  88 426 1475 1045 1046  .290  .361  .492   90  49  133

Three very similar players: Guerrero, Walker, Bagwell. All deserving, probably not making it because of career small market status.
Put any one of them on the Yankees for 5 yrs and they'd be in no questions asked.
* = HOFers
Courtesy of: Baseball-Reference.com

[TheAntiCard]

I never heard his name being thrown around the steroid circles...is that right? He should be a no-brainer for the hall.

[briscogun]

Borderline. He compares mostly to Bagwell and Larry Walker, but also to Jim Rice and Willie Stargell. I'm gonna go with a "no" for the initial answer, but maybe eventually if enough PED guys stay out.

[66_Fiat]

Originally Posted by egforevervlad

Accolades/Stat Line in a 16 year career

Avg - .318
OBP - .931
SLG - 553
Doubles - 477
Triples - 46
Hits - 2,590
Hrs - 449
RBI - 1,496
SBs - 191
BB - 737
IBB - 250

Any hitter with .931 career OBP should get in the Hall, even if it's for one season.

[friarbolt]

I think he should be, he was one of the best in his prime. Talent can't be denied only the stats are somewhat borderline.

[CubKings]

I think he should be HOFer, steroid era or not. Baseball is going to have to do something for that era and even the great players who have admitted.

[jcmint]

His name appeared many times with steroids. That will not help him. The numbers alone should eventually get him in.

[IamRalpho]

No doubt about it Hall of Famer. Might not be first ballot with everyone else retiring around him, but hes def a hall of famer

[Metsfan1121]

Definitely.

[IamRalpho]

Originally Posted by briscogun

Borderline. He compares mostly to Bagwell and Larry Walker, but also to Jim Rice and Willie Stargell. I'm gonna go with a "no" for the initial answer, but maybe eventually if enough PED guys stay out.

Vlad MVP .318/.379/.553 449 HR 477 2B 9059 PA
Walker MVP .313/.400 /.565 383 HR 471 2B 8030 PA
Rice MVP .298/.352/.502 382 HR 373 2B 9058 PA
Stargell MVP .282/.360/.529 475 HR 423 2B 9027 PA

So Vlad is so much better than Rice in the same amount of at bats.
Better than Stargell, even though Stargell got the MVP he had better numbers sans the HR
Walker played one more year than Vlad and was hurt a lot, thus his numbers never being where they should. I loved Walker and thought he was a borderline Hall of Famer too.

[Sauceman]

Would be a crime if not. In his prime years he was feared at the plate and had a hose for an arm.

[shumpert2190]

Yes

one of the best all around hitters ive ever seen

Amazing defensively, cannon for an arm

He was very exciting to watch

[Ajax1723]

Yea, I'd say he is worth it. Won't get in first or maybe even second try, but at some point he'll get in.

[egforevervlad]

Originally Posted by 66_Fiat

Any hitter with .931 career OBP should get in the Hall, even if it's for one season.

LOOOL typo

[bballcollector]

Of course he makes it to the hall.

[KEARYCOLBERT83]

I think so for sure.

That guy could hit any ball pitched to him which is what made him such a good hitter...and he had a gun for an arm when he was younger.

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by jcmint

His name appeared many times with steroids. That will not help him. The numbers alone should eventually get him in.

Please cite sources/provide links. Thanks.

[Ziveus101]

Yes. It may take him 5 or 6 years, but he'll get in eventually.

[stera8]

Wait. I thought he retired last year or 2 years ago?

Regardless I say yes. Always loved how he never used batting gloves

[nflfans4ever]

Thanks Vlad for all the good memories !
When I was a kid you were my hero and your still one of them.
I will always remember your days with the expos.
GO EXPOS !!!

[WCTYSON]

Originally Posted by jasonadkins

Steroid era lingo will kill him the same way it has Bagwell and Piazza. So probably won't get in, but deserves to be.

Originally Posted by jcmint

His name appeared many times with steroids. That will not help him. The numbers alone should eventually get him in.

Originally Posted by gmarutiak

Please cite sources/provide links. Thanks.

Yes, please do. Never heard a peep about Vlad. That being siad, yes he gets into the HOF. Not on the first ballot, if thet really means much of anything.

[bdrr]

Vladamir Guerrero gets in because he's a player you'll tell your kids about thirty years from now.

A lot of guys put up good number. And Guerrero is in a fringe group, as a lot of people pointed out. But Guerrero also has a "legend" to himself, much in the way people talked about a player like Duke Snider in the past.

Guerrero is, quite possibly, the best bad-ball hitter to ever play the game. There wasn't a pitch that he wasn't going to swing at - and not necessarily because he didn't have plate discipline - because he could hit it. I will never forget the home run he clobbered off a pitch that literally hit the ground and bounced.

Throw in that he played with speed during his younger days, was a great defensive outfielder (don't look at the zone metrics, remember his arm that runners never challenged, it's one of the intangibles that metrics fail to recognize), and just a likeable guy overall I think he gets in . . . probably on the 4th or 5th ballot.