How to resolve this situation?

[AllenWilliams87]

So a member and I did a blind trade about two weeks ago for base cards. He sent me 180 Tigers base cards (many dups, most from Bowman paper/Chrome) and asked for rookies in returned. I sent about 110 rookies only from Topps, Bowman, etc. His lot arrived about a week after we agreed, mine apparently has never arrived. I'm not smart and didn't have DC on it.

Naturally, he was upset. I took full responsibility and I kept telling him to send PP and I'll refund shipping and return the lot he sent me. Instead of sending me PP, he just wanted to call me a scammer and how I did this on purpose. FINALLY he sent me his PP information and I refunded him the exact cost to ship it and late last week, when the PP information was sent, did a return on the cards.

Now, he is asking for $40 for the lot or he will leave negative feedback. Did I do something wrong? He claimed the lot never arrived (Maybe he is scamming me? Doubt it but if he can accuse me, I can accuse him). I refunded the shipping he paid and am returning the cards. What else am I suppose to do? $40 for 180 base cards is a travesty and I could use help from the members here.

I know I should have used DC, I don't print labels for the most part and didn't think it was needed to spend $1 on a base card trade. Clearly I should have used a DC looking back, but I think I'm handling this as best as I can? If not, please help, thank you.

[JamiMadrox]

Who is the member?

[adamt326]

1. Always use DC.
2. You refunded shipping and are returning the cards. It's a crappy situation but if that's the whole story then that's the end of it. Once his cards are returned you owe the other member nothing else.
3. Save your PMs where they are trying to extort you for $40 to send to a mod in the case of a negative. You did everything you could do in the situation.

[AllenWilliams87]

Originally Posted by JamiMadrox

Who is the member?

I don't want to say it because I'm just looking for opinions on what to do, not calling him out because he hasn't done anything wrong really. However if you notice my feedback percentage go down, because he is dying to neg me, I'll obviously say who it is.

He also is claiming he sent 300 cards when I have a PM stating it was 180, and the count box he sent me was 200 card box. So now he is lying.

[AllenWilliams87]

Originally Posted by adamt326

1. Always use DC.
2. You refunded shipping and are returning the cards. It's a crappy situation but if that's the whole story then that's the end of it. Once his cards are returned you owe the other member nothing else.
3. Save your PMs where they are trying to extort you for $40 to send to a mod in the case of a negative. You did everything you could do in the situation.

Okay thanks, that's what I thought I should do, and am doing. I told him to be patient and let his cards come back. I will state that when this started, I found out in a PM and about 90 minutes later he sent another PM in a totally different tone, all because I didn't respond in 90 minutes. I am saving all the PMs, but apparently he said a MOD has told him he can leave feedback now if he wants.

[AllenWilliams87]

Here's the PM about $40, I'm sorry but 180 base cards are not $40.

I believe the lot was a $40 lot. if you agree to paypal the funds I leave this alone forever and do not leave the feedback you deserve. if not I leave the feedback and let others on this site know who they are dealing with. I am well know here and people will ask, and I will tell them, again, this is principle.

Based of what I read that he is trying to take advantage of a newer member, because this guy has like 150 feedback.

[alldaytoplay33]

I wonder if the member actually did receive the package, and noticed that you did not send with a DC. He then decided to try to get some extra money from the deal because he is a greedy. Just a thought maybe I am wrong, but just a thought. Good luck.

[Clarka3]

a lot without rookies i find hard to believe would be a 40 dollar lot.

[AllenWilliams87]

Originally Posted by alldaytoplay33

I wonder if the member actually did receive the package, and noticed that you did not send with a DC. He then decided to try to get some extra money from the deal because he is a greedy. Just a thought maybe I am wrong, but just a thought. Good luck.

Until he brought up the $40, I didn't say anything. I'm sure he is being honest, but if he can say I'm scamming him, I guess I can too. I wouldn't be surprised if he was. Lesson learned, send DC no matter how big the trade.

Originally Posted by Clarka3

a lot without rookies i find hard to believe would be a 40 dollar lot.

It was literally 2013 Bowman base cards of vets and some prospects of Tigers. I can't sell this lot for $50 haha, but he thinks his lot is worth $40. A lot of dups too, I would say maybe 4-5 per card of vet base. Trust me, when he said he expects $40 I burst in laughter.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...andez-etc.html

[ima_do_me213]

Originally Posted by AllenWilliams87

I don't want to say it because I'm just looking for opinions on what to do, not calling him out because he hasn't done anything wrong really. However if you notice my feedback percentage go down, because he is dying to neg me, I'll obviously say who it is.

He also is claiming he sent 300 cards when I have a PM stating it was 180, and the count box he sent me was 200 card box. So now he is lying.

He did do something wrong he is trying to extort u out of $40. U should name them so everyone else can be very careful if they chose to deal with him

[JamiMadrox]

Originally Posted by ima_do_me213

He did do something wrong he is trying to extort u out of $40. U should name them so everyone else can be very careful if they chose to deal with him

This. Im sure some BODA's can figure out who it is without you naming him. But you should still drop the name. If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to hide.

[uberfatty]

sounds to me like this is a case of a more experienced member taking advantage of a newbie. Including feedback extrotion.

You should:

-save all PM's,
-report his PM with the feedback extortion to the Mods (the little red triangle on the lower left of the PM),
-name the member in this thread

And for the love of god send using DC next time. It will solve all (most) of your headaches! 3oz package costs $1.69 and can print right at home. If you don't know how to do it through PayPal using Multi-Order Shipping (you are able to do this even though no funds change hands) just hit me up via PM and I'll explain.

[ageofreason13]

Wait, did you get a DC when you returned the cards he sent? If I missed you saying that I apologize.

[XL5]

I believe the lot was a $40 lot. if you agree to paypal the funds I leave this alone forever and do not leave the feedback you deserve. if not I leave the feedback and let others on this site know who they are dealing with. I am well know here and people will ask, and I will tell them, again, this is principle.

Please give a name. Regardless of the truth of the other stuff, this is a "well know" member who would happily be bought out of leaving "deserved" negative feedback for $40 (I don't think it's a deserved neg but that's beside the point, this member supposedly believes it is deserved). That alone is someone worth avoiding IMO.

[boysofsummer]

just like everything, there are two sides to every story-
everyone wants him to call this guy out- he doest have to
it was me,

everyone is so fast to lynch anyone on this site- bumping threads- bad prices- and this one - extortion. wow
this gentlemen never sent this first package- DC or not. once my cards come back with the same address then i will know. but this blind deal which- i answered to his thread in kind, and didn't even know what i was getting in return, i was trying to help a member out.
regardless, it has been over 2-weeks from Michigan to florida. i have received many other deals from here and ebay in much less time. maybe someone should consider this guy never sent the cards- he has claimed no DC#- red flag one, and if i didn't respond back to him, he wouldn't have responded to me, he then was very quick to give me back the $6 of my shipping - red flag two, cards never arrived - red flag three- in baseball your out. he didn't explain this or the fact that i was asking for $40 for the cards that i sent him- for me to go back in forth- amount of cards or how many- only me and him know.
if it was too much, then so be it, but it wasn't for extortion, i wanted this to be over- pay me for what you have collected for me, and be done. and since i have already received positive feedback from him because i did what i was supposed to do, why shouldn't he receive a negative feedback- isn't hat how the system work-
good deal- good feedback
bad deal bad feedback

or why have feedback. it is to protect other members about people that do good deal or do bad deals- i do not treat any new member like a new member- i never as for them to send first, this is a trust site, and i trust people until they give me a reason not to, this gentlemen has given me a reason not to, and i wanted the principle to be dealt with.

if you did nothing wrong, then we will see what cards get to me first or at all. if the cards arrive, i will be the first to apologize from the rooftops, but i can not see how a small box if shipped when he stated he did, would take well over two weeks to ship...

and thanks for everyone for reading into one side of a story- thank god you guys aren't on any juries......

find out both sides before you decide what is right and wrong.
all and all this guy didn't provide what he said he would- case closed.

[yourmyboyblue2]

Red flags 1, 2, 3? Ya he didn't ship with DC, so I will give you 1. But he refunded your cost to ship(not a red flag) & is returning your cards. So it cost him $6 & some cards because he didn't use DC. Yet you come around asking $40 because you dont want the cards back or you are leaving a neg because you have more feedback and think you can muscle your way to some fast $. I will be curious to see if any of the cards he was supposed to send get posted for sale in the future...now if he doesn't return your cards then I can understand. He didn't come in here blasting you, he asked for advice so get over yourself!

Originally Posted by boysofsummer

just like everything, there are two sides to every story-
everyone wants him to call this guy out- he doest have to
it was me,

everyone is so fast to lynch anyone on this site- bumping threads- bad prices- and this one - extortion. wow
this gentlemen never sent this first package- DC or not. once my cards come back with the same address then i will know. but this blind deal which- i answered to his thread in kind, and didn't even know what i was getting in return, i was trying to help a member out.
regardless, it has been over 2-weeks from Michigan to florida. i have received many other deals from here and ebay in much less time. maybe someone should consider this guy never sent the cards- he has claimed no DC#- red flag one, and if i didn't respond back to him, he wouldn't have responded to me, he then was very quick to give me back the $6 of my shipping - red flag two, cards never arrived - red flag three- in baseball your out. he didn't explain this or the fact that i was asking for $40 for the cards that i sent him- for me to go back in forth- amount of cards or how many- only me and him know.
if it was too much, then so be it, but it wasn't for extortion, i wanted this to be over- pay me for what you have collected for me, and be done. and since i have already received positive feedback from him because i did what i was supposed to do, why shouldn't he receive a negative feedback- isn't hat how the system work-
good deal- good feedback
bad deal bad feedback

or why have feedback. it is to protect other members about people that do good deal or do bad deals- i do not treat any new member like a new member- i never as for them to send first, this is a trust site, and i trust people until they give me a reason not to, this gentlemen has given me a reason not to, and i wanted the principle to be dealt with.

if you did nothing wrong, then we will see what cards get to me first or at all. if the cards arrive, i will be the first to apologize from the rooftops, but i can not see how a small box if shipped when he stated he did, would take well over two weeks to ship...

and thanks for everyone for reading into one side of a story- thank god you guys aren't on any juries......

find out both sides before you decide what is right and wrong.
all and all this guy didn't provide what he said he would- case closed.

[XL5]

If a package gets lost and the other guy refunds you your shipping and returns your side of the trade, that's not neg worthy. It's certainly not woth $40 either. Inevitably things are going to go wrong with some deals. How people handle it is just as important as, if not more important than, how they handle a deal with zero issues.

or why have feedback. it is to protect other members about people that do good deal or do bad deals

Likewise one could ask, "What good is feedback if you ask for money in exchange for not leaving feedback?" If you truly think it's neg-worthy, leave a neg. There are two ways to go. Wait a bit longer for your side to arrive or accept the refund and return and leave a neg, positive, neutral, or nothing.

BTW, this isn't a jury, this is an online forum.

Also, in baseball they're called strikes, not red flags.

[ageofreason13]

Sorry, but where has the OP proven that the cards were returned to their owner? From reading his posts it sounds like the other guy in this deal wanted to be compensated if he wasn't getting his cards back.

You want to accuse boysofsummer of stuff, but no one is acknowledging the more obvious scam: the OP just got $40 in cards for $6. Now if he proves that the cards were returned to boysofsummer already, then I will apologize.

[37Jetson]

I don't think that you are being reasonable. The OP shipped the cards without DC and it came back to bite him. He immediately returned your postage expense via Pay Pal and agreed to send your cards back.

Why on God's Green Earth do you feel the need to feedback extort him? Give him the chance to return the cards and pay it forward by not giving him a negative if they arrive safe and sound.

Originally Posted by boysofsummer

just like everything, there are two sides to every story-
everyone wants him to call this guy out- he doest have to
it was me,

everyone is so fast to lynch anyone on this site- bumping threads- bad prices- and this one - extortion. wow
this gentlemen never sent this first package- DC or not. once my cards come back with the same address then i will know. but this blind deal which- i answered to his thread in kind, and didn't even know what i was getting in return, i was trying to help a member out.
regardless, it has been over 2-weeks from Michigan to florida. i have received many other deals from here and ebay in much less time. maybe someone should consider this guy never sent the cards- he has claimed no DC#- red flag one, and if i didn't respond back to him, he wouldn't have responded to me, he then was very quick to give me back the $6 of my shipping - red flag two, cards never arrived - red flag three- in baseball your out. he didn't explain this or the fact that i was asking for $40 for the cards that i sent him- for me to go back in forth- amount of cards or how many- only me and him know.
if it was too much, then so be it, but it wasn't for extortion, i wanted this to be over- pay me for what you have collected for me, and be done. and since i have already received positive feedback from him because i did what i was supposed to do, why shouldn't he receive a negative feedback- isn't hat how the system work-
good deal- good feedback
bad deal bad feedback

or why have feedback. it is to protect other members about people that do good deal or do bad deals- i do not treat any new member like a new member- i never as for them to send first, this is a trust site, and i trust people until they give me a reason not to, this gentlemen has given me a reason not to, and i wanted the principle to be dealt with.

if you did nothing wrong, then we will see what cards get to me first or at all. if the cards arrive, i will be the first to apologize from the rooftops, but i can not see how a small box if shipped when he stated he did, would take well over two weeks to ship...

and thanks for everyone for reading into one side of a story- thank god you guys aren't on any juries......

find out both sides before you decide what is right and wrong.
all and all this guy didn't provide what he said he would- case closed.

[ageofreason13]

Surely you aren't foolish enough to return the cards without DC after the first shipment went missing...

[alldaytoplay33]

Originally Posted by ima_do_me213

He did do something wrong he is trying to extort u out of $40. U should name them so everyone else can be very careful if they chose to deal with him

I absolutely agree with this!

[AllenWilliams87]

I'm at work so ill quickly say this. What does everyone think 180 base cards are worth. Ill send him PP to cover it and when his cards come back he will send me the money back. And yes I used DC to return it. Ill post it when I come home from work.

[XL5]

Originally Posted by AllenWilliams87

I'm at work so ill quickly say this. What does everyone think 180 base cards are worth. Ill send him PP to cover it and when his cards come back he will send me the money back. And yes I used DC to return it. Ill post it when I come home from work.

No need to send PP since you already sent the cards back with DC.

[Srt42004n]

One day ill understand why people make threads to get others to side with them with out naming who the blackmailer is... OP why don't you name this member so we can all "Ignore List" him

[ima_do_me213]

There is 1 red flag there which is he sent without DC. But seriously where do u get 180 or 300(as u claim) is worth $40? If thats the type of money u get for base cards where your from let me know I have a ton of base cards we could work out a good deal for both of us on. How can u say anything about the feedback when your trying to use the old "give me money and I wont neg u" thats crazy. No reason to do that he gave u the money it cost u to ship and sending your cards back so realistically he loses out on that $6 plus the cards he sent plus whatever his shipping cost. Im not in any way saying anything bad about either of u but both of u did something they shouldnt of when it came to this deal OP didnt ship with DC and u trying to extort money. So how about OP ALWAYS ship with DC and boysofsummer no trying to extort money because if im correct u can easily be banned for doing that. I hope the best comes out of this deal for both of u and both of u learn from your mistakes

Originally Posted by boysofsummer

just like everything, there are two sides to every story-
everyone wants him to call this guy out- he doest have to
it was me,

everyone is so fast to lynch anyone on this site- bumping threads- bad prices- and this one - extortion. wow
this gentlemen never sent this first package- DC or not. once my cards come back with the same address then i will know. but this blind deal which- i answered to his thread in kind, and didn't even know what i was getting in return, i was trying to help a member out.
regardless, it has been over 2-weeks from Michigan to florida. i have received many other deals from here and ebay in much less time. maybe someone should consider this guy never sent the cards- he has claimed no DC#- red flag one, and if i didn't respond back to him, he wouldn't have responded to me, he then was very quick to give me back the $6 of my shipping - red flag two, cards never arrived - red flag three- in baseball your out. he didn't explain this or the fact that i was asking for $40 for the cards that i sent him- for me to go back in forth- amount of cards or how many- only me and him know.
if it was too much, then so be it, but it wasn't for extortion, i wanted this to be over- pay me for what you have collected for me, and be done. and since i have already received positive feedback from him because i did what i was supposed to do, why shouldn't he receive a negative feedback- isn't hat how the system work-
good deal- good feedback
bad deal bad feedback

or why have feedback. it is to protect other members about people that do good deal or do bad deals- i do not treat any new member like a new member- i never as for them to send first, this is a trust site, and i trust people until they give me a reason not to, this gentlemen has given me a reason not to, and i wanted the principle to be dealt with.

if you did nothing wrong, then we will see what cards get to me first or at all. if the cards arrive, i will be the first to apologize from the rooftops, but i can not see how a small box if shipped when he stated he did, would take well over two weeks to ship...

and thanks for everyone for reading into one side of a story- thank god you guys aren't on any juries......

find out both sides before you decide what is right and wrong.
all and all this guy didn't provide what he said he would- case closed.