BGS raw grading

barry6124 · 01-22-2014, 02:29 PM

Whats the point? Does it guarantee any sort of grading when you send it in? How much does it cost?

jewcer2k5 · 01-22-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by barry6124

Whats the point? Does it guarantee any sort of grading when you send it in? How much does it cost?

Only makes sense to do at a show if you want to sell them at the show. Sending in for RCR is pointless.

crazy4kinsler · 01-22-2014, 02:34 PM

Yea, I won't buy an RCR card if someone puts a premium on it. It's just like a raw card to me. I hate graded and the science of it. So I stay away from graded stuff. The only reason I'd buy an RCR card is to take it out of the slab. That's why I wouldn't pay any kind of premium for it.

Some of the guys on here and elsewhere seem to think RCR is as good as graded. They'll take an RCR card and price it the same as if it were truly graded. But since RCR isn't real grading, it shouldn't be that way.

Just my 3 cents.

aggies1960 · 01-22-2014, 02:36 PM

me and some other people are submitting over 100 at the show

jewcer2k5 · 01-22-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

Yea, I won't buy an RCR card if someone puts a premium on it. It's just like a raw card to me. I hate graded and the science of it. So I stay away from graded stuff. The only reason I'd buy an RCR card is to take it out of the slab. That's why I wouldn't pay any kind of premium for it.

Some of the guys on here and elsewhere seem to think RCR is as good as graded. They'll take an RCR card and price it the same as if it were truly graded. But since RCR isn't real grading, it shouldn't be that way.

Just my 3 cents.

It gives a better idea than just being a raw card so there should be some premium on it. You know the card doesnt have a knife mark going through it or something terrible with it.

But the card is also not protected the same and the grade isn't 100% true. Its only 99% accurate.

asujbl · 01-22-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

Yea, I won't buy an RCR card if someone puts a premium on it. It's just like a raw card to me. I hate graded and the science of it. So I stay away from graded stuff. The only reason I'd buy an RCR card is to take it out of the slab. That's why I wouldn't pay any kind of premium for it.

Some of the guys on here and elsewhere seem to think RCR is as good as graded. They'll take an RCR card and price it the same as if it were truly graded. But since RCR isn't real grading, it shouldn't be that way.

Just my 3 cents.

But it also 99.9% of the time will be slabbed that grade if you submit it. Of course they are going to ask for a premium (your thoughts on grading not withstanding - which is an entirely different debate)

I could see knocking $15 off the "Graded" price because that's what it would cost me to submit - but RCR is just as good as slabbed if you regularly send to BGS and don't mind waiting a week or two.

asujbl · 01-22-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by barry6124

Whats the point? Does it guarantee any sort of grading when you send it in? How much does it cost?

It doesn't guarantee anything - but you've got like a 99% chance of getting that slabbed grade if you sent it in.

I've personally never done a RCR - I just send directly to BGS - but I can see how some people (especially if they just want to sell) would get a RCR done at a show so they can sell a 9.5/10 at the 9.5/10 price - or just below since I'd have to pay to submit it.

I recently bought a 9.5/10 RCR on eBay for a little under the slabbed cost knowing I'd just send it in myself and get a slabbed 9.5/10 back.

tke1600 · 01-22-2014, 02:46 PM

RCR's are graded the same as BGS but they are just not slabbed and broken down by subs like BGS. The downside is the protection of the card in the RCR sleeve. You can damage the card if you are not careful, which could change the grade if you were to get slabbed. For me, it's a great way to get grade on a card without having to pay a ton and wait for weeks to get it back, and I haven't had an issue with them when slabbing either.

barry6124 · 01-22-2014, 02:46 PM

What does it cost?

jewcer2k5 · 01-22-2014, 02:47 PM

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clocsta2323 · 01-22-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

It gives a better idea than just being a raw card so there should be some premium on it. You know the card doesnt have a knife mark going through it or something terrible with it.

But the card is also not protected the same and the grade isn't 100% true. Its only 99% accurate.

Thank god that raw card grading exists so I don't waste money on a card with a knife mark through it.

jewcer2k5 · 01-22-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by clocsta2323

Thank god that raw card grading exists so I don't waste money on a card with a knife mark through it.

Sarcasm noted.

Hope the exaggeration was noted in my post.

charbs91 · 01-22-2014, 02:56 PM

If I get something RCR'ed at a show and want to send it in from the show, is it full price to regrade and slab it? Or is there a discount because I already RCR'ed it?

Mike

tke1600 · 01-22-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by charbs91

If I get something RCR'ed at a show and want to send it in from the show, is it full price to regrade and slab it? Or is there a discount because I already RCR'ed it?

Mike

I believe they have a deal where the RCR card is $10 for 10 day service per card or $15 to get it slabbed that same day.

jewcer2k5 · 01-22-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by charbs91

If I get something RCR'ed at a show and want to send it in from the show, is it full price to regrade and slab it? Or is there a discount because I already RCR'ed it?

Mike

Same price except you don't have to pay for them to grade the auto again.

Rndm1 · 01-22-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by barry6124

Whats the point? Does it guarantee any sort of grading when you send it in? How much does it cost?

In my opinion...its a good means of knowing what you will ultimately get slabbed. I do raw review and if its not a 9-9.5 I don't pay to have slabbed. Saves on shipping, insurance, and the full price of slabbing a card that could be an 8!

And so far, when I have a raw review, Beckett has honoured all of them.

clocsta2323 · 01-22-2014, 04:09 PM

How many of you get a card graded RCR and it doesn't get the 9.5/10? Do you resubmit it until it does get the gem grade? And if you do.. do you let buyers know it took a certain amount of RCR reviews before it FINALLY got the 9.5 and was worthy of getting slabbed?

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...sing-here.html

jewcer2k5 · 01-22-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by clocsta2323

How many of you get a card graded RCR and it doesn't get the 9.5/10. Do you resubmit it until it does get the gem grade? And if you do.. do you let buyers know it took a certain amount of RCR reviews before it FINALLY got the 9.5 and was worthy of getting slabbed?

I have never had that happen to me.

I will say that I just got 3 cards re-graded from being a 9/10 and all 3 are getting 9.5/10.

The grader of 2 oranges had issues with the edges of them (i have no idea what that issue was) but he slammed the edges on one down to a 8!!!!

Obviously that is a grader issue not a card issue if the card just got a 9.5 in RCR.

I have no problem saying that. If I dont see an issue with a card when I get it graded I have no problem trying again b/c it wasnt the grade that I saw in the card.

I have started to record my evaluation of cards when I submit them and I'm interested to see how it compares.

pdxprospect · 01-22-2014, 04:14 PM

I am a fan of grading and a fan of RCR...until recently.
At the most recent show here in Portland I had 13 cards graded for $6.50 each.
9 cards came back with grades I liked so I paid an extra $8 per card + roughly $25 in insurance and shipping to have slabbed and returned.
All cards came back as graded, except one, which was pretty unfortunate.

In reality, I would prefer to just send in to BGS in bulk, pay $8 per card, wait, and then crack if needed. It seems cheaper in the long run, however, I do love the instant (4-6 hours) knowledge of what the card "should" grade.

Best of luck...

01-22-2014, 02:29 PM	#1
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01-22-2014, 02:34 PM	#3
crazy4kinsler Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 16,595	Yea, I won't buy an RCR card if someone puts a premium on it. It's just like a raw card to me. I hate graded and the science of it. So I stay away from graded stuff. The only reason I'd buy an RCR card is to take it out of the slab. That's why I wouldn't pay any kind of premium for it. Some of the guys on here and elsewhere seem to think RCR is as good as graded. They'll take an RCR card and price it the same as if it were truly graded. But since RCR isn't real grading, it shouldn't be that way. Just my 3 cents. __________________ Twitter & Instagram: @et_cardcollectr Just created a new Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=et_cardcollectr

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aggies1960 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,937 jayaggie2015 jayaggie2015	me and some other people are submitting over 100 at the show __________________ Professional Thrift Store Reseller - Check my eBay for flips

01-22-2014, 02:46 PM	#8
tke1600 Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,842 tke1600	RCR's are graded the same as BGS but they are just not slabbed and broken down by subs like BGS. The downside is the protection of the card in the RCR sleeve. You can damage the card if you are not careful, which could change the grade if you were to get slabbed. For me, it's a great way to get grade on a card without having to pay a ton and wait for weeks to get it back, and I haven't had an issue with them when slabbing either. __________________ @arnoldsportsmgmt

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barry6124 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Houston Posts: 587 barry6124	What does it cost? __________________ Reds guy.

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jewcer2k5 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NY, NY Posts: 37,658 pc_sportscards	Grading FAQ \| Beckett.com __________________ If you have a PC Sportscards Customer Service question please reach out to litehouse17 on here and Kevin can help! PSA subs - If you are a vet can you help the new guys? Sometimes I don’t have time to reply

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charbs91 Banned Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 2,744 charbs91	If I get something RCR'ed at a show and want to send it in from the show, is it full price to regrade and slab it? Or is there a discount because I already RCR'ed it? Mike

01-22-2014, 04:09 PM	#17
clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,894	How many of you get a card graded RCR and it doesn't get the 9.5/10? Do you resubmit it until it does get the gem grade? And if you do.. do you let buyers know it took a certain amount of RCR reviews before it FINALLY got the 9.5 and was worthy of getting slabbed? http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...sing-here.html Last edited by clocsta2323; 01-22-2014 at 04:12 PM.

01-22-2014, 04:14 PM	#19
pdxprospect Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: PDX Posts: 2,456 pdxprospect	I am a fan of grading and a fan of RCR...until recently. At the most recent show here in Portland I had 13 cards graded for $6.50 each. 9 cards came back with grades I liked so I paid an extra $8 per card + roughly $25 in insurance and shipping to have slabbed and returned. All cards came back as graded, except one, which was pretty unfortunate. In reality, I would prefer to just send in to BGS in bulk, pay $8 per card, wait, and then crack if needed. It seems cheaper in the long run, however, I do love the instant (4-6 hours) knowledge of what the card "should" grade. Best of luck... __________________ A small time collector and investor in the great PDX.