After the loss of Panini trust, do we really believe that autographs are from who the

[buffbills83]

Most cardboard contains the canned text along the lines of 'The following autograph was obtained... Blah... Blah... And is guaranteed to be authentic'

Would it be out of line to wonder if the fifth round WR being asked to sign 1,200 stickers had some of his boys start signing for him?

We all kind of knew the shadyness that went on behind the scenes with whatever material is inserted into 'relic' cards. Where does it stop?

[rmw10]

Wouldn't surprise me. I get autographs in person from the Ravens and I've noticed a couple of guys' autographs aren't exactly comparable to what I've received. I know there's a difference when sitting down vs. a rushed IP, but there are some that I do not believe to be real at all.

[benshobbies]

Upper Deck has issued some Stamped autos.....

Never heard that with Panini.

[freethrowtommy]

Dez Bryant?

[xbignick]

It's possible some players had different people sign their autos in some releases, at least in bowman chrome baseball.

Things like this are sad:
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ke-piazza.html

[AusRam]

Pretty sure I read this happening a few years ago with a player having someone else "help" sign his cards/labels....bound to happen to some extent I suppose...

[zonacats8]

I've made this comment before, but there is a VERY simple and inexpensive fix to this problem.

When Panini ships these cards out to the players, they also include a cheapo digital camera.

The player then signs X number of cards while someone records them doing it, and with the camera still rolling, they place those cards in a whatever count snap case (thinking about 50ish cards would do the trick here) and that is then sealed with a Panini sticker (of which only one gets sent to the player).

When the player sends the cards back, they also send back the camera with said video on it.

Panini is then able to look at the cards that they know for an absolute fact were signed by the player (as they are in the separately sealed box), and can do a quick QC check on the rest of the cards they got back to make sure they look legit.

The video is then uploaded to Panini's YouTube channel for all to see.

Think about how cool it would also be if you pull a nice 1/1 auto and you then can go to their YouTube channel and watch the card actually get signed. My idea essentially is to have them record the "rarer" cards from what is sent to them, that way when you pull or buy that rare card, you can go and watch it having been signed.

So how much could that actually cost them?

They're able to use the cameras multiple times, so it's really maybe a 100 or so cameras they'd need to have sent out at any given time. I'd think they could work with a company to buy them in bulk for a cheap price, and they don't need to be of high quality

[buffbills83]

Sound idea, zona. That would be really neat.

I've gotten into vintage a lot more over the past few years for reasons such as the flawless issue. Couple that with airbrushed uniforms, exclusive rights, over production, redemptions, it has made it really hard on the modern collector.

It's sad, but I am enjoying my vintage and the rare 90s stuff a lot more than the flashy, shiny new stuff.

[wheeler281]

I have no issues with any case. If you are asking this question then probably should find a new hobby. I know Upper Deck and Topps are just glad there was not social media in the early 2000's lol

[lennox.p]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I've made this comment before, but there is a VERY simple and inexpensive fix to this problem.

When Panini ships these cards out to the players, they also include a cheapo digital camera.

The player then signs X number of cards while someone records them doing it, and with the camera still rolling, they place those cards in a whatever count snap case (thinking about 50ish cards would do the trick here) and that is then sealed with a Panini sticker (of which only one gets sent to the player).

When the player sends the cards back, they also send back the camera with said video on it.

Panini is then able to look at the cards that they know for an absolute fact were signed by the player (as they are in the separately sealed box), and can do a quick QC check on the rest of the cards they got back to make sure they look legit.

The video is then uploaded to Panini's YouTube channel for all to see.

Think about how cool it would also be if you pull a nice 1/1 auto and you then can go to their YouTube channel and watch the card actually get signed. My idea essentially is to have them record the "rarer" cards from what is sent to them, that way when you pull or buy that rare card, you can go and watch it having been signed.

So how much could that actually cost them?

They're able to use the cameras multiple times, so it's really maybe a 100 or so cameras they'd need to have sent out at any given time. I'd think they could work with a company to buy them in bulk for a cheap price, and they don't need to be of high quality

i think you have no clue how hard it is to get the player to sign these card or stickers!

some of you guys are just to selfish to understand that these players have other things to do instead to sign cards/stickers for "big kids"!!!

[Seahawks fan]

I dont think they do. If they were going to forge autos you'd think they would do it ON CARD since that would help sales/give collectors what they want. There are tons of pics of rcs signing countless sheets at the rc premier and there arent that many vet autos out there

[freethrowtommy]

For the record, I don't have any concerns with any of the Panini cards I have in my collection... or Upper Deck... or Topps.

[rcgdodge]

Originally Posted by lennox.p

i think you have no clue how hard it is to get the player to sign these card or stickers!

some of you guys are just to selfish to understand that these players have other things to do instead to sign cards/stickers for "big kids"!!!

Really..............

[packman80]

Just get a collector who has tons of money to burn to get questionable card auto's looked at by a hand writing expert. If said expert said that the card is not signed by said player file a class action lawsuit against the card company for false advertising when they claim are claiming it's a real autograph by said player. That happens I am willing to bet card companies would be more strict in product control so they would avoid a future lawsuit.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

I dont think they do. If they were going to forge autos you'd think they would do it ON CARD since that would help sales/give collectors what they want. There are tons of pics of rcs signing countless sheets at the rc premier and there arent that many vet autos out there

The players couldn't care less about value.

[oldgoldy97]

A lot of these players had someone do their schoolwork in college. Why would they suddenly start doing their "homework" of signing cards/stickers on their own after college???

[Tvanho]

Originally Posted by packman80

Just get a collector who has tons of money to burn to get questionable card auto's looked at by a hand writing expert. If said expert said that the card is not signed by said player file a class action lawsuit against the card company for false advertising when they claim are claiming it's a real autograph by said player. That happens I am willing to bet card companies would be more strict in product control so they would avoid a future lawsuit.

Or get more vague in their wording like with the jersey relics.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

A lot of these players had someone do their schoolwork in college. Why would they suddenly start doing their "homework" of signing cards/stickers on their own after college???

Exactly. For most players, they just ship them pages of stickers for them to sign. There are no checks whatsoever. You know some guys are going to scoot the systems and have a friend or family member sign on their behalf.

[cking]

I do not care what anyone says. There are not signed by the same person. It is physically impossible to improve ones penmanship in the very short period between the release of these products.

I understand an athletes need to shorten there auto due to the sheer volume they have to sign, I get it.

However, someone cannot go from childlike scribble to virtual perfect handwritng in just a few shorts months.........It cannot be done. By anyone.


Here poses my next question



Which scenario do you think is worse


A-Panini was too dumb to see the difference in the autos


OR


B-Panini saw the difference in the autos and did not care and used them anyway


I will go with B

[bstraw53]

I know my Alshons are legit. He has horrible handwriting. His auto has changed a few times, but the horrible writing stays consistent.

[dashcounter]

There is no reason for them to fake an autograph...they pay guys the money to do it...
imagine if they didnt...the players would see their own autograph cards and there would be a news story off of that

what they get back in the mail could be suspicious though.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I've made this comment before, but there is a VERY simple and inexpensive fix to this problem.

When Panini ships these cards out to the players, they also include a cheapo digital camera.

The player then signs X number of cards while someone records them doing it, and with the camera still rolling, they place those cards in a whatever count snap case (thinking about 50ish cards would do the trick here) and that is then sealed with a Panini sticker (of which only one gets sent to the player).

When the player sends the cards back, they also send back the camera with said video on it.

Panini is then able to look at the cards that they know for an absolute fact were signed by the player (as they are in the separately sealed box), and can do a quick QC check on the rest of the cards they got back to make sure they look legit.

The video is then uploaded to Panini's YouTube channel for all to see.

Think about how cool it would also be if you pull a nice 1/1 auto and you then can go to their YouTube channel and watch the card actually get signed. My idea essentially is to have them record the "rarer" cards from what is sent to them, that way when you pull or buy that rare card, you can go and watch it having been signed.

So how much could that actually cost them?

They're able to use the cameras multiple times, so it's really maybe a 100 or so cameras they'd need to have sent out at any given time. I'd think they could work with a company to buy them in bulk for a cheap price, and they don't need to be of high quality

Or just have them take a video on their phone to send. 90% at least of the guys that'd be signing have a smart phone.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by dashcounter

There is no reason for them to fake an autograph...they pay guys the money to do it...
imagine if they didnt...the players would see their own autograph cards and there would be a news story off of that

what they get back in the mail could be suspicious though.

The question isn't Panini faking an autograph on behalf of the player. The question is whether or not these guys get a shipment of stickers, realize it's a ridiculous amount, and pass it off to a buddy or family member to do.

[hempick]

I only really collect one player and all of his on card autos look exactly the same to me. That said, who really knows?

[panther252]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I've made this comment before, but there is a VERY simple and inexpensive fix to this problem.

When Panini ships these cards out to the players, they also include a cheapo digital camera.

The player then signs X number of cards while someone records them doing it, and with the camera still rolling, they place those cards in a whatever count snap case (thinking about 50ish cards would do the trick here) and that is then sealed with a Panini sticker (of which only one gets sent to the player).

When the player sends the cards back, they also send back the camera with said video on it.

Panini is then able to look at the cards that they know for an absolute fact were signed by the player (as they are in the separately sealed box), and can do a quick QC check on the rest of the cards they got back to make sure they look legit.

The video is then uploaded to Panini's YouTube channel for all to see.

Think about how cool it would also be if you pull a nice 1/1 auto and you then can go to their YouTube channel and watch the card actually get signed. My idea essentially is to have them record the "rarer" cards from what is sent to them, that way when you pull or buy that rare card, you can go and watch it having been signed.

So how much could that actually cost them?

They're able to use the cameras multiple times, so it's really maybe a 100 or so cameras they'd need to have sent out at any given time. I'd think they could work with a company to buy them in bulk for a cheap price, and they don't need to be of high quality

Cheapo camera or not, you're giving the players way too much credit. I'd bet over half of them would keep the camera thinking it's some sort of free swag. Remember the story I told you about the LCS owner arranging to send in jerseys to be signed and some of the players keeping them and the money lol.