1991 Star Pics Favre Auto, legit?

mattd763 · 09-10-2015, 02:23 PM

Can anyone tell me if this card is legit? I know there's been quite a bit of discussion regarding this particular card, and whether or not the auto is authentic, as in "signed by Favre in 1991" authentic. I've also heard that the legitimacy of the "fat tip marker" auto has also been called into question. Any help with this particular example would be much appreciated.

titletowncards · 09-10-2015, 02:27 PM

I think the auto looks good imo, whether it was signed in 1991 I don't know.
I like reading the strengths and weaknesses because whoever did it was pretty much on par for his career.

matt roberson · 09-10-2015, 03:29 PM

Looks fake to me.

corndog · 09-10-2015, 03:48 PM

I am very familiar with these cards and my honest opinion is this: I don't think so. The problem that arises when trying to compare it to a real one is that so very few that you will come across is real. 95% or higher of the cards on Ebay are counterfeits - even the graded ones. The fat signature is the easiest to call a fake and the other most common style is with a fine tip blue sharpie in which many were signed on the front. The same style is used on many of the back signed and front and back signed variations. When you see a front signed card, rest assured it is a forgery created by Galen Ketron of Jonesborough, Tennessee. Favre never signed the front. Ketron sold hundreds of them over the span of a few years and many of the graded cards were submitted by him. That is when PSA and Beckett were finally realized that many of their own graded cards were counterfeit when presented with evidence. Both companies will not touch these cards now.

Unless you pull it yourself, I wouldn't trust any of the Favre 1991 Star Pics autos to be legitimate.

There are other threads that explain how Ketron went about creating the counterfeits if you do a search.

pga-ink · 09-10-2015, 04:15 PM

Is there a true, authentic Favre Star Pics autograph posted anywhere? Would love to see what the actual, real one looks like...

mattd763 · 09-10-2015, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

I am very familiar with these cards and my honest opinion is this: I don't think so. The problem that arises when trying to compare it to a real one is that so very few that you will come across is real. 95% or higher of the cards on Ebay are counterfeits - even the graded ones. The fat signature is the easiest to call a fake and the other most common style is with a fine tip blue sharpie in which many were signed on the front. The same style is used on many of the back signed and front and back signed variations. When you see a front signed card, rest assured it is a forgery created by Galen Ketron of Jonesborough, Tennessee. Favre never signed the front. Ketron sold hundreds of them over the span of a few years and many of the graded cards were submitted by him. That is when PSA and Beckett were finally realized that many of their own graded cards were counterfeit when presented with evidence. Both companies will not touch these cards now.

Unless you pull it yourself, I wouldn't trust any of the Favre 1991 Star Pics autos to be legitimate.

There are other threads that explain how Ketron went about creating the counterfeits if you do a search.

Thank you for the opinion, I've read a few other threads about these cards that you've contributed to, and I was hoping you'd weigh in on this one. I'm surprised that PSA hasn't come out and said something about these cards, or offered some sort of opportunity to have these cards reevaluated, seeing as how their reputation as the industry's premier grader really could be called into question when it comes to these cards.

desertdogg · 09-10-2015, 06:00 PM

wow I remember opening star pics. football & basketball. way back in the the day. you got one auto per case of like 20 sets. . I never got a farve but I got lots of other players. unless someone got ahold of the stickers you could fake these. but farve was still with the falcons at the time and # 4 was his number. I belive.. so unless you can find someone with a set of the autos to see what the autos looked like. I would be very wary of buying it. ;]

mattd763 · 09-10-2015, 09:05 PM

Does anyone out there have an example of a legit '91 Star Pics Favre auto, if for nothing else than to serve as a comparison?

glen87 · 09-10-2015, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertdogg

wow I remember opening star pics. football & basketball. way back in the the day. you got one auto per case of like 20 sets. . I never got a farve but I got lots of other players. unless someone got ahold of the stickers you could fake these. but farve was still with the falcons at the time and # 4 was his number. I belive.. so unless you can find someone with a set of the autos to see what the autos looked like. I would be very wary of buying it. ;]

pretty sure they were not 1 per case.

bassprokvd · 09-11-2015, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattd763

Does anyone out there have an example of a legit '91 Star Pics Favre auto, if for nothing else than to serve as a comparison?

I would love to see a real one too.

mattd763 · 09-11-2015, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pga-ink

Is there a true, authentic Favre Star Pics autograph posted anywhere? Would love to see what the actual, real one looks like...

It seems like a lot of people would like to see this. Can anyone help?

corndog · 09-11-2015, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pga-ink

Is there a true, authentic Favre Star Pics autograph posted anywhere? Would love to see what the actual, real one looks like...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattd763

Does anyone out there have an example of a legit '91 Star Pics Favre auto, if for nothing else than to serve as a comparison?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattd763

It seems like a lot of people would like to see this. Can anyone help?

I know what they look like but do not have a stored image.
Every single one on Ebay, both current and completed listings are not.
That's how prevalent they are in the counterfeit market.
In truth, probably every one of those sellers don't know that they are fake.

bassprokvd · 09-12-2015, 02:18 PM

Anyone? Someone has to own a real pack pulled one.

Archangel1775 · 09-12-2015, 11:54 PM

I got one in PSA 10 also. It's signed on the back but looks rather similar to this one. I will have to dig it out and compare it. I did buy a case or two and never received an auto.

mattd763 · 10-30-2015, 07:28 PM

Bump this up, anyone have a scan of a legit 91 Star Pics Favre Auto?

mattd763 · 11-05-2015, 09:50 PM

Anyone?

NoleinJax · 11-06-2015, 02:16 PM

Who cares about the auto when you got a card of Favre sporting a sweet mullet.

mattd763 · 11-07-2015, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoleinJax

Who cares about the auto when you got a card of Favre sporting a sweet mullet.

While you make a compelling point, and I am certain that the mullet will make a comeback at some point in the future, I'd still be interested in seeing a legit version of this card.

mattd763 · 11-22-2015, 08:51 PM

Opinions on this one? Sticker does not look tampered with.

mattd763 · 11-22-2015, 09:57 PM

According to PSA, this was Favre's signature in 1992, one year after his rookie season. Based on this, I assume his '91 Star Pics Auto should look something like these examples, or a hybrid of the two. Anyone care to weigh in?

bigaust001 · 11-22-2015, 10:08 PM

Just a heads up folks, Galen Ketron is still at work on these. He owns a storefront in the mall in Kingsport TN, and runs an authentication/forgery ring out of it. He produces the crap he sells in the storm front in the back room. 95% of the stuff he sells is authenticated by his faux company. Whilst in store, he asked if there was anything I was looking for in particular, and I have a feeling that it's because he could've whipped it up really quick if I had needed it.

Archangel1775 · 11-23-2015, 12:39 AM

Those 2 sigs are like night and day

Archangel1775 · 11-23-2015, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattd763

Opinions on this one? Sticker does not look tampered with.

The B looks like nothing I have seen before.

mattd763 · 01-23-2016, 11:32 AM

Trying to revive this thread and get a definitive answer or two. Can anyone help?

freethrowtommy · 01-23-2016, 01:06 PM

I would just PM corndog direct. Seems that he is the most knowledgeable about these.

09-10-2015, 02:23 PM	#1
mattd763 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: WI Posts: 464 matt_d670	1991 Star Pics Favre Auto, legit? Can anyone tell me if this card is legit? I know there's been quite a bit of discussion regarding this particular card, and whether or not the auto is authentic, as in "signed by Favre in 1991" authentic. I've also heard that the legitimacy of the "fat tip marker" auto has also been called into question. Any help with this particular example would be much appreciated.

09-10-2015, 02:27 PM	#2
titletowncards Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,749	I think the auto looks good imo, whether it was signed in 1991 I don't know. I like reading the strengths and weaknesses because whoever did it was pretty much on par for his career. __________________ titletowncards Go Pack Go! 2020-21 NBA Champion Milwaukee Bucks

09-10-2015, 03:29 PM	#3
matt roberson Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: wisconsin Posts: 4,172 robeysresale	Looks fake to me. __________________ PCing....Rice,AR12,Giannis,RW3,Packers/Badgers and shiny stuff.

09-10-2015, 03:48 PM	#4
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,596	I am very familiar with these cards and my honest opinion is this: I don't think so. The problem that arises when trying to compare it to a real one is that so very few that you will come across is real. 95% or higher of the cards on Ebay are counterfeits - even the graded ones. The fat signature is the easiest to call a fake and the other most common style is with a fine tip blue sharpie in which many were signed on the front. The same style is used on many of the back signed and front and back signed variations. When you see a front signed card, rest assured it is a forgery created by Galen Ketron of Jonesborough, Tennessee. Favre never signed the front. Ketron sold hundreds of them over the span of a few years and many of the graded cards were submitted by him. That is when PSA and Beckett were finally realized that many of their own graded cards were counterfeit when presented with evidence. Both companies will not touch these cards now. Unless you pull it yourself, I wouldn't trust any of the Favre 1991 Star Pics autos to be legitimate. There are other threads that explain how Ketron went about creating the counterfeits if you do a search. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

09-12-2015, 11:54 PM	#14
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 22,060	I got one in PSA 10 also. It's signed on the back but looks rather similar to this one. I will have to dig it out and compare it. I did buy a case or two and never received an auto. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

09-10-2015, 04:15 PM	#5
pga-ink Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 962	Is there a true, authentic Favre Star Pics autograph posted anywhere? Would love to see what the actual, real one looks like...

09-10-2015, 06:00 PM	#7
desertdogg Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: march air reserve base ca. Posts: 640 desertdogg desertdogg	wow I remember opening star pics. football & basketball. way back in the the day. you got one auto per case of like 20 sets. . I never got a farve but I got lots of other players. unless someone got ahold of the stickers you could fake these. but farve was still with the falcons at the time and # 4 was his number. I belive.. so unless you can find someone with a set of the autos to see what the autos looked like. I would be very wary of buying it. ;]

09-10-2015, 09:05 PM	#8
mattd763 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: WI Posts: 464 matt_d670	Does anyone out there have an example of a legit '91 Star Pics Favre auto, if for nothing else than to serve as a comparison?

09-12-2015, 02:18 PM	#13
bassprokvd Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: THE TITLETOWN, USA Posts: 154 Bassprokvd	Anyone? Someone has to own a real pack pulled one.

10-30-2015, 07:28 PM	#15
mattd763 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: WI Posts: 464 matt_d670	Bump this up, anyone have a scan of a legit 91 Star Pics Favre Auto?

11-05-2015, 09:50 PM	#16
mattd763 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: WI Posts: 464 matt_d670	Anyone?

11-06-2015, 02:16 PM	#17
NoleinJax Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: No clue anymore Posts: 8,742 ilovetheseminoles	Who cares about the auto when you got a card of Favre sporting a sweet mullet.

11-22-2015, 08:51 PM	#19
mattd763 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: WI Posts: 464 matt_d670	Opinions on this one? Sticker does not look tampered with.

11-22-2015, 09:57 PM	#20
mattd763 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: WI Posts: 464 matt_d670	1991 Star Pics Favre Auto, legit? According to PSA, this was Favre's signature in 1992, one year after his rookie season. Based on this, I assume his '91 Star Pics Auto should look something like these examples, or a hybrid of the two. Anyone care to weigh in?

11-22-2015, 10:08 PM	#21
bigaust001 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Saltville/Charlottesville Posts: 4,244	Just a heads up folks, Galen Ketron is still at work on these. He owns a storefront in the mall in Kingsport TN, and runs an authentication/forgery ring out of it. He produces the crap he sells in the storm front in the back room. 95% of the stuff he sells is authenticated by his faux company. Whilst in store, he asked if there was anything I was looking for in particular, and I have a feeling that it's because he could've whipped it up really quick if I had needed it. __________________ PC Players: BILLY WAGNER, JIM ABBOTT, JASON KENDALL, HOF GAME USED/PATCHES, MOST YANKEES Buying any and all Jim Abbott, Billy Wagner, and Jason Kendall inserts, jerseys, and autos!!

11-23-2015, 12:39 AM	#22
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 22,060	Those 2 sigs are like night and day __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

01-23-2016, 11:32 AM	#24
mattd763 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: WI Posts: 464 matt_d670	Trying to revive this thread and get a definitive answer or two. Can anyone help?

01-23-2016, 01:06 PM	#25
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