Sick to my stomach: USPS lost a VERY high end package

nyknicks · 02-26-2016, 10:56 AM

UPDATE: Another package lost in Glendale, CA. See post #83 for details.

Hi Guys,

If any of you happen to come across these cards please let me know.

They are a Michael Jordan and LeBron James 2006-07 Ultimate Dual Auto Jersey serial numbered 3/25. Pictured here:

And a 2004-05 LeBron James Black Diamond Auto pictured here:

For a little bit of the miserably painful background, the card was shipped 2 day priority mail to Houston Texas 7709X (blanked out to avoid giving away the location of my buyer who has been a tremendous help in all this and is a member here on blowout).

The package was out for delivery two days after shipment and was then subsequently "Forwarded" to Houston TX 77073 post office location. The item went out for delivery to a street address in 77073 that was completely night and day different from the PayPal shipping address of the buyer. USPS takes a picture of the package upon delivery and my package clearly stated the intended address. They also scan where the item is delivered to. USPS basically proved out for me that they misdelivered based on their scanning information. The supervisor at the post office said that she would send the carrier back out to retrieve the package. He was not able to. My buyer also went out to the address (a 30 minute drive and inconvenience for him) and asked the family who lived in the home for his package. They stated they never received the package and even brought him out to the mailbox showing him that there were no packages here.

What happened here is simple if you don't care to read the long version above:
1.) USPS employee stole the package (my theory after it was suspiciously forwarded)
2.) the family still has the package and doesn't want to return it because a.) it's clearly valuable and b.) it's a crime to open mail not addressed to you.

I'm not sure what the outcome here will be as we still have a long road to go down.

I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst. Any help would be greatly appreciated..

Thanks for reading,
Matt

SteveO21 · 02-26-2016, 11:00 AM

Man that truly sucks. Hopefully this works out in your favor somehow.

thepinoymamba · 02-26-2016, 11:03 AM

Wow.. this sucks. Hopefully you got insurance

nickha2 · 02-26-2016, 11:03 AM

I know the cards are irreplaceable but im sure you used insurance given the value. Why would USPS not give you the money back when clearly it was misdelivered.

lietuvalabas · 02-26-2016, 11:03 AM

i know another member/friend on here going thru some similar BS

ernieren · 02-26-2016, 11:06 AM

was cards insured ? If so USPS has to pay for this they clearly screwed up and you have the proof.

molarson23 · 02-26-2016, 11:09 AM

Man, This has happened to me before luckily they did get the package back from the wrong house... It was only like $200 card and I about threw up... I cant imagine what your going through man!!! It did take like a week to get mine back... so maybe it will turn up...

jifengjeff · 02-26-2016, 11:11 AM

That sucks man… usps is a joke

tristan20 · 02-26-2016, 11:15 AM

Damn, another one. Seems like every week there is a USPS messup.

Will keep a lookout for you! Hopefully USPS "Finds" it

gingerscards · 02-26-2016, 11:17 AM

I am hearing more about this forwarding option and think it is a way for the mailperson to theft the packages, I also heard USPS set a special department for employee theft investigation unit, look for it and make a report. I hope you end up getting the cards and everything turns out ok.

AlabamaSlamma · 02-26-2016, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nyknicks

USPS takes a picture of the package upon delivery and my package clearly stated the intended address. They also scan where the item is delivered to. USPS basically proved out for me that they misdelivered based on their scanning information. The supervisor at the post office said that she would send the carrier back out to retrieve the package. He was not able to.

Absolutely hate this for you and your buyer, but I am surprised at the above from the USPS. I've never heard of them documenting the process in such detail, and since they clearly documented how they f***ed everything up, you should have a very solid case for your insurance claim. I'll keep an eye out for both and please keep us posted.

cardsharkk · 02-26-2016, 11:31 AM

OP Any insurance as others are asking??

nyknicks · 02-26-2016, 11:49 AM

Thank you guys so much for the support and kind words. Regardless of the outcome I will be taking a break from buying/selling/trading for a bit.

As for insurance, it was underinsured. I will not disclose the amount to anyone but the buyer because that's my issue to live with. I'll still file a claim to recover whatever I can. I'm a smart kid but that was really stupid. Needless to say if I get back into this at some point I will be fully insuring any material package. I would highly suggest anyone in this game of ours to do the same or take the easy route and ship with fedex. This is a terrible feeling and should serve as a public service announcement.

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Originally Posted by SteveO21

Man that truly sucks. Hopefully this works out in your favor somehow.

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Originally Posted by thepinoymamba

Wow.. this sucks. Hopefully you got insurance

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Originally Posted by nickha2

I know the cards are irreplaceable but im sure you used insurance given the value. Why would USPS not give you the money back when clearly it was misdelivered.

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Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

i know another member/friend on here going thru some similar BS

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Originally Posted by ernieren

was cards insured ? If so USPS has to pay for this they clearly screwed up and you have the proof.

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Originally Posted by molarson23

Man, This has happened to me before luckily they did get the package back from the wrong house... It was only like $200 card and I about threw up... I cant imagine what your going through man!!! It did take like a week to get mine back... so maybe it will turn up...

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Originally Posted by jifengjeff

That sucks man… usps is a joke

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Originally Posted by tristan20

Damn, another one. Seems like every week there is a USPS messup.

Will keep a lookout for you! Hopefully USPS "Finds" it

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Originally Posted by gingerscards

I am hearing more about this forwarding option and think it is a way for the mailperson to theft the packages, I also heard USPS set a special department for employee theft investigation unit, look for it and make a report. I hope you end up getting the cards and everything turns out ok.

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Originally Posted by AlabamaSlamma

Absolutely hate this for you and your buyer, but I am surprised at the above from the USPS. I've never heard of them documenting the process in such detail, and since they clearly documented how they f***ed everything up, you should have a very solid case for your insurance claim. I'll keep an eye out for both and please keep us posted.

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Originally Posted by cardsharkk

OP Any insurance as others are asking??

eastbayak · 02-26-2016, 12:00 PM

I know how you feel, I recently lost a package (albeit a ~ $200-250 Stephen Curry Penmanship /25 card so not the same level of magnitude). Basically, my USPS carrier said they delivered (tracking shows delivered)....but it wasn't delivered to my house. It was an item returned by the buyer and I didn't insure so now I'm out $200. Either the carrier took it or delivered to the wrong residence (latter is likely) :/ It stressed me out until I accepted the fact that I wouldn't get it back. With that said, I hope you don't give up and I hope you get it back. Wish you the best

jubei777 · 02-26-2016, 12:13 PM

sucks that they screwed up. for anything over a certain amount, I work make sure it's insured and signed for. That way there's nothing to really left to chance. hope that USPS makes it up to you.

beaver1080 · 02-26-2016, 12:16 PM

Ouch, hope it all works out for you man...... Just had a package that was to be dlvd to me that was about 45 miles from me and the USPS marked it as undeliverable. The seller ended up getting a note saying it was opened and contents were missing. Shady business by USPS

dapro · 02-26-2016, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyknicks

Thank you guys so much for the support and kind words. Regardless of the outcome I will be taking a break from buying/selling/trading for a bit.

As for insurance, it was underinsured. I will not disclose the amount to anyone but the buyer because that's my issue to live with. I'll still file a claim to recover whatever I can. I'm a smart kid but that was really stupid. Needless to say if I get back into this at some point I will be fully insuring any material package. I would highly suggest anyone in this game of ours to do the same or take the easy route and ship with fedex. This is a terrible feeling and should serve as a public service announcement.

I was on that same boat (USPS tracking say out to deliver and not did deliver). That basically ended my interest in the hobby. I am still on break on buying cards because of it. Hopefully your cards turns up!

smackvay · 02-26-2016, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nickha2

I know the cards are irreplaceable but im sure you used insurance given the value. Why would USPS not give you the money back when clearly it was misdelivered.

usps LOL
USPS insurance is a joke at best. I hate to be that way, but ive been had by the process and ended up paying out of my pocket to fix it for everyone involved.

Mike

Bigalloyd13 · 02-26-2016, 12:57 PM

Why wouldn't you have shipped this high end package via fedex? I see a lot of people here use fedex for high end shipments?

Rabie1 · 02-26-2016, 01:02 PM

that is a very sad story man.. i am sorry it happened to u. i will keep an eye out for u.

domin824 · 02-26-2016, 01:16 PM

Matt, This is very upsetting. Hope everything works out. Good luck. These horror stories with the USPS are happening way too often.

AbraCalabro · 02-26-2016, 01:29 PM

Those people probably have your package. At the very least, we will all be on the look out for you. I'm a little sick to my stomach as well considering the value of these cards.

AlabamaSlamma · 02-26-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigalloyd13

Why wouldn't you have shipped this high end package via fedex? I see a lot of people here use fedex for high end shipments?

The main downside to FedEx (and anyone else can certainly correct me if I'm wrong) is that you CANNOT insure collectibles for over 1,000. Thus, if it's a huge piece, you're assuming all of the risk. I've heard of members purchasing third party insurance on FedEx/UPS shipments, but I've yet to do my own research on how the process works.

If you want to read a story about the USPS doing an amazing job from start to finish (minus the PO workers who swiped the cards...) through a terrible course of events, look up Eric's (ebitz) thread about his stolen merchandise.

tke1600 · 02-26-2016, 01:32 PM

I would guess you purchased thousands $$ in insurance on this? I think every lost and stolen USPS package had high insurance attached to it. Seems to do more harm than good.

hairyharold · 02-26-2016, 01:37 PM

terrible story and a tough lesson learned so sorry OP. USPS has been truly more and more incompetent lately

i am located in NY and had sent out a package to a person in CT on the 4th of December.
that package did not arrive until the 31st. ::track link below::

December 4-31 WILD RIDE

the package arrived the label and package was perfect. the address was perfect. the buyer and I were flabbergasted by USPS.

02-26-2016, 10:56 AM	#1
nyknicks Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,281 Janetatthebeach	Sick to my stomach: USPS lost a VERY high end package UPDATE: Another package lost in Glendale, CA. See post #83 for details. Hi Guys, If any of you happen to come across these cards please let me know. They are a Michael Jordan and LeBron James 2006-07 Ultimate Dual Auto Jersey serial numbered 3/25. Pictured here: And a 2004-05 LeBron James Black Diamond Auto pictured here: For a little bit of the miserably painful background, the card was shipped 2 day priority mail to Houston Texas 7709X (blanked out to avoid giving away the location of my buyer who has been a tremendous help in all this and is a member here on blowout). The package was out for delivery two days after shipment and was then subsequently "Forwarded" to Houston TX 77073 post office location. The item went out for delivery to a street address in 77073 that was completely night and day different from the PayPal shipping address of the buyer. USPS takes a picture of the package upon delivery and my package clearly stated the intended address. They also scan where the item is delivered to. USPS basically proved out for me that they misdelivered based on their scanning information. The supervisor at the post office said that she would send the carrier back out to retrieve the package. He was not able to. My buyer also went out to the address (a 30 minute drive and inconvenience for him) and asked the family who lived in the home for his package. They stated they never received the package and even brought him out to the mailbox showing him that there were no packages here. What happened here is simple if you don't care to read the long version above: 1.) USPS employee stole the package (my theory after it was suspiciously forwarded) 2.) the family still has the package and doesn't want to return it because a.) it's clearly valuable and b.) it's a crime to open mail not addressed to you. I'm not sure what the outcome here will be as we still have a long road to go down. I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks for reading, Matt __________________ FLICKR https://www.flickr.com/photos/138124563@N04/albums IG: https://www.instagram.com/rookiesandallstars/ Last edited by nyknicks; 03-03-2016 at 08:28 PM.

02-26-2016, 11:03 AM	#3
thepinoymamba Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,111	Wow.. this sucks. Hopefully you got insurance __________________ Kobe Anthology SET

02-26-2016, 11:06 AM	#6
ernieren Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: LWR FL Posts: 3,288 dow_wholesale ekhobbyshop	was cards insured ? If so USPS has to pay for this they clearly screwed up and you have the proof. __________________ Collect Drew Bledsoe, 2012 topps Chrome , 91 Stadium Club football PSA graded. 1993 SP Football PSA

02-26-2016, 11:09 AM	#7
molarson23 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 3,722 molarson2323	Man, This has happened to me before luckily they did get the package back from the wrong house... It was only like $200 card and I about threw up... I cant imagine what your going through man!!! It did take like a week to get mine back... so maybe it will turn up... __________________ PC Michael Jordan Bulls On Card Autos!! Especially Buyback Autos. http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/molarson23/library

02-26-2016, 12:16 PM	#16
beaver1080 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Glens Falls, NY Posts: 4,139 beaver1080	Ouch, hope it all works out for you man...... Just had a package that was to be dlvd to me that was about 45 miles from me and the USPS marked it as undeliverable. The seller ended up getting a note saying it was opened and contents were missing. Shady business by USPS __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/138043903@N04/albums

02-26-2016, 11:00 AM	#2
SteveO21 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: near the cards Posts: 10,810 vintagepacers Steve_O_21	Man that truly sucks. Hopefully this works out in your favor somehow.

02-26-2016, 11:03 AM	#4
nickha2 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lambeau Field Posts: 6,907	I know the cards are irreplaceable but im sure you used insurance given the value. Why would USPS not give you the money back when clearly it was misdelivered.

02-26-2016, 11:03 AM	#5
lietuvalabas Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,360	i know another member/friend on here going thru some similar BS

02-26-2016, 11:11 AM	#8
jifengjeff Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 1,312 jifengjeff jifengjeff	That sucks man… usps is a joke

02-26-2016, 11:15 AM	#9
tristan20 Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12,906	Damn, another one. Seems like every week there is a USPS messup. Will keep a lookout for you! Hopefully USPS "Finds" it

02-26-2016, 11:17 AM	#10
gingerscards Banned Join Date: May 2012 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 18,500 gingersportscards1946	I am hearing more about this forwarding option and think it is a way for the mailperson to theft the packages, I also heard USPS set a special department for employee theft investigation unit, look for it and make a report. I hope you end up getting the cards and everything turns out ok.

02-26-2016, 11:31 AM	#12
cardsharkk Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,578	OP Any insurance as others are asking??

02-26-2016, 12:00 PM	#14
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 17,185 eastbayak	I know how you feel, I recently lost a package (albeit a ~ $200-250 Stephen Curry Penmanship /25 card so not the same level of magnitude). Basically, my USPS carrier said they delivered (tracking shows delivered)....but it wasn't delivered to my house. It was an item returned by the buyer and I didn't insure so now I'm out $200. Either the carrier took it or delivered to the wrong residence (latter is likely) :/ It stressed me out until I accepted the fact that I wouldn't get it back. With that said, I hope you don't give up and I hope you get it back. Wish you the best

02-26-2016, 12:13 PM	#15
jubei777 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,435 jubei777	sucks that they screwed up. for anything over a certain amount, I work make sure it's insured and signed for. That way there's nothing to really left to chance. hope that USPS makes it up to you.

02-26-2016, 12:57 PM	#19
Bigalloyd13 Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,836	Why wouldn't you have shipped this high end package via fedex? I see a lot of people here use fedex for high end shipments? __________________ Ryan Anderson Supercollector Instagram: @ryanandersonpc

02-26-2016, 01:02 PM	#20
Rabie1 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 5,372	that is a very sad story man.. i am sorry it happened to u. i will keep an eye out for u. __________________ https://rabiehassoun.smugmug.com/browse

02-26-2016, 01:16 PM	#21
domin824 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Lost Angels, CA Posts: 887 domin8_24	Matt, This is very upsetting. Hope everything works out. Good luck. These horror stories with the USPS are happening way too often. __________________ KOBE EXQUISITE COLLECTOR! http://s826.photobucket.com/user/domin824/library/KOBE%20AUTO%20by%20YEAR?sort=4&page=1

02-26-2016, 01:29 PM	#22
AbraCalabro Temporarily Suspended Join Date: May 2013 Location: Believe in Saint Abra. Posts: 10,748	Those people probably have your package. At the very least, we will all be on the look out for you. I'm a little sick to my stomach as well considering the value of these cards. __________________ -FREE TRISTAN- LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - A master class in corruption. NEVER FORGET: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255123

02-26-2016, 01:32 PM	#24
tke1600 Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,842 tke1600	I would guess you purchased thousands $$ in insurance on this? I think every lost and stolen USPS package had high insurance attached to it. Seems to do more harm than good.

02-26-2016, 01:37 PM	#25
hairyharold Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,859	terrible story and a tough lesson learned so sorry OP. USPS has been truly more and more incompetent lately i am located in NY and had sent out a package to a person in CT on the 4th of December. that package did not arrive until the 31st. ::track link below:: December 4-31 WILD RIDE the package arrived the label and package was perfect. the address was perfect. the buyer and I were flabbergasted by USPS.