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auburn35 · 10-21-2019, 09:54 AM

I took a break from looking at new results and went back to reexamine some of the previous grading results that Joe provided the group.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1714

As was noted in the results, Joe's most commonly used grading method was something identified as a "BGS 10-Day, Non-Guaranteed" service. Not really sure how a specific day (non-guaranteed) service is even offered by Beckett but I’m sure these and all the other Beckett customers waiting more than a year on their non-guaranteed submissions would like to know about this service, that's routinely graded, well ahead of other non-guaranteed orders.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1155093
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1319676

Ignoring the unusual grading service advantages; like the May 23rd, 2018 grading results that I shared earlier, I believe these examples (likely many others, if someone wants to take a look), clearly establishes the special treatment that specific submitter's seem to receive, over any random paying customer.
These grading patterns strongly dispute the claims of Beckett, Joe, Leaf…… that orders are anonymously graded and would require multiple Beckett employees to be involved in bypassing, such strict and secure grading procedures. You don't have the same groups of orders always processed together, if Beckett doesn't know who's cards they are grading. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3960

January 2, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until the 1st batch of Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels are graded.

Next is a large grouping of non-sports (Star Wars, Star Trek, Walking Dead, …..) that other than oddly being nothing but non-sports items, appear graded like an normally (grades vary across the run) looking submission.

Up next, is Joe’s second batch of BGS 10’s and Black Labels graded on this date.
Joe appears to be one of the very last orders (newest/highest serial numbers) of the day and as you will see in the other examples, this (having the newest/highest serial numbers graded) is a regular occurrence.

I would be really interested to know how a 10-day order (guaranteed or not) that's placed into Beckett’s database at the start of the 10-days, like a regular customer, would consistently be among the newest serial numbers graded, on any given day.
At a minimum, every 1-Day, 2-Day and 5-Day BGS order also being processed/graded, should have newer (higher) serial numbers, if Beckett is following their own stated procedures of logging cards and removing the submitters identity, prior to grading.
https://www.beckett.com/news/walking-bgs-process/

January 10, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until Leaf and Joe Clemons have a large batch of BGS 10’s and Black Labels graded, right next to each other.
11043046 - 11043207

These again, appear to be some of the very last cards (newest/highest serial numbers) of the day, with only four cards and one really odd item (100 small boxes), graded after these serial numbers on this day.

January 29, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until a large batch of vintage cards either not graded or BCCG graded.

2018 Panini Encased Football (all cards sorted by grade) is the next batch of cards (next serial numbers) graded this day.

After Panini is done, a bunch of BCCG graded Michael Jordan 1994-00 Bleachers 23 Karat Gold cards, a run of BVG cards and the day finishes up with Joe Clemons group of Black Labels.

January 31, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until 2018 Panini Encased Football is graded (all cards sorted by grade)

The very next batch of cards (next serial numbers graded this day), belongs to Joe Clemons (Leaf) and I don't see any other cards graded, after these serial numbers.

February 5, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing

Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG 10 cards

Next order – Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels

Rather than grading before Joe, on this date, 2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade) is graded directly after Joe’s grade sorted submission.

Day finishes with another batch of BCCG 10 graded Yu-Gi-Oh.

February 6, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing

Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG 10 cards

Next group belongs to 2018 Leaf Valiant Baseball (all cards sorted by grade)

Surprisingly (not), the next and last group of cards graded this day is 2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade)

February 12, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing

2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade)

A bunch of vintage Hockey and Basketball cards graded with no posted results, possibly BAS (Beckett Authentication Services)

Joe Clemons (Leaf) BGS 10’s and Black Labels

Another batch of 2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade) ends the day.

February 18, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until BAS (Beckett Authentication Services) items start being added 11131947 - 11134794

Next, we have some BCCG (all cards sorted by grade)

2018 Leaf Valiant Baseball (all cards sorted by grade)

The day ends with 2018 The Bar (Super Break Sports) having their product encased and the autographs graded.

March 7, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board until some sorted BCCG cards start appearing.

Next, we have a batch of Joe Clemons of BGS 10’s and Black Labels

The day finishes with a large run of consecutive BGS 9 cards
11196970 - 11197358

March 18, 2019
The day finishes with Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels

April 5, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board until Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels start appearing.

Next, we have a batch of Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG grades 11267340 - 11267893

Another batch of Joe Clemons BGS 10’s

A batch of Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG grades 11268029 – 11268400

April 24, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board until what appears to be a BGS 10 Black Label, minimum grade submission.
Only 2 Black Labels out of this batch, with everything else receiving no grade.
11304890 - 11304948
2013-14 Select Giannis Antetokounmpo RC
2014-15 Panini Prizm Prizms Yellow and Red Mosaic Joel Embiid – for sale by psa-set-registry (Anthony Fernando) https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1310282

Next, we have a batch of Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels

Day appears to finish with an SSI (Superior Sports Investments) submission https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1276110

May 8, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing

Leaf grouping of BGS 10’s and Black Labels

Followed up by Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels

Like the May 23rd day with the news worthy Ohtani grading, this day ends with another Hobby news worthy card being graded, by someone (breakers.rowe) on 3124508 on COMC’s List of eBay Accounts of Known Card Trimmers & their Agents https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304959
https://www.beckett.com/news/2019-bo...tor-autograph/
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1291356
11334470 2019 Bowman Chrome Prospect Autographs Superfractors Wander Franco BGS 9.5

June 12, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until Joe Clemons grouping of BGS 10's and Black Labels

As usual, 2018-19 Panini Encased Basketball (all cards sorted by grade) is up next.

June 13, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing

Something called 2018 Leaf Special Release, that appears to have been graded via BCCG

As expected, the next group of graded cards belongs to Panini, 2018-19 Panini Encased Basketball (all cards sorted by grade)

A group of 2018 Saquon Barkley RC BCCG 10 cards

Day ends with some more 2018 Leaf Special Release, graded via BCCG

August 26, 2019
A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until a large run of cards not receiving grades.

Next group of cards are some Zion Williamson (all cards sorted by grade)
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...43&postcount=1

After the Zion cards are graded, the next and last group of cards graded belong to Joe Clemons and meatloafsmemorabilia who have adjoining groups of BGS 10’s and Black Labels. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3916

10-21-2019, 09:54 AM	#4010
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,341	I took a break from looking at new results and went back to reexamine some of the previous grading results that Joe provided the group. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1714 As was noted in the results, Joe's most commonly used grading method was something identified as a "BGS 10-Day, Non-Guaranteed" service. Not really sure how a specific day (non-guaranteed) service is even offered by Beckett but I’m sure these and all the other Beckett customers waiting more than a year on their non-guaranteed submissions would like to know about this service, that's routinely graded, well ahead of other non-guaranteed orders. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1155093 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1319676 Ignoring the unusual grading service advantages; like the May 23rd, 2018 grading results that I shared earlier, I believe these examples (likely many others, if someone wants to take a look), clearly establishes the special treatment that specific submitter's seem to receive, over any random paying customer. These grading patterns strongly dispute the claims of Beckett, Joe, Leaf…… that orders are anonymously graded and would require multiple Beckett employees to be involved in bypassing, such strict and secure grading procedures. You don't have the same groups of orders always processed together, if Beckett doesn't know who's cards they are grading. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3960 January 2, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until the 1st batch of Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels are graded. Next is a large grouping of non-sports (Star Wars, Star Trek, Walking Dead, …..) that other than oddly being nothing but non-sports items, appear graded like an normally (grades vary across the run) looking submission. Up next, is Joe’s second batch of BGS 10’s and Black Labels graded on this date. Joe appears to be one of the very last orders (newest/highest serial numbers) of the day and as you will see in the other examples, this (having the newest/highest serial numbers graded) is a regular occurrence. I would be really interested to know how a 10-day order (guaranteed or not) that's placed into Beckett’s database at the start of the 10-days, like a regular customer, would consistently be among the newest serial numbers graded, on any given day. At a minimum, every 1-Day, 2-Day and 5-Day BGS order also being processed/graded, should have newer (higher) serial numbers, if Beckett is following their own stated procedures of logging cards and removing the submitters identity, prior to grading. https://www.beckett.com/news/walking-bgs-process/ January 10, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until Leaf and Joe Clemons have a large batch of BGS 10’s and Black Labels graded, right next to each other. 11043046 - 11043207 These again, appear to be some of the very last cards (newest/highest serial numbers) of the day, with only four cards and one really odd item (100 small boxes), graded after these serial numbers on this day. January 29, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until a large batch of vintage cards either not graded or BCCG graded. 2018 Panini Encased Football (all cards sorted by grade) is the next batch of cards (next serial numbers) graded this day. After Panini is done, a bunch of BCCG graded Michael Jordan 1994-00 Bleachers 23 Karat Gold cards, a run of BVG cards and the day finishes up with Joe Clemons group of Black Labels. January 31, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until 2018 Panini Encased Football is graded (all cards sorted by grade) The very next batch of cards (next serial numbers graded this day), belongs to Joe Clemons (Leaf) and I don't see any other cards graded, after these serial numbers. February 5, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG 10 cards Next order – Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels Rather than grading before Joe, on this date, 2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade) is graded directly after Joe’s grade sorted submission. Day finishes with another batch of BCCG 10 graded Yu-Gi-Oh. February 6, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG 10 cards Next group belongs to 2018 Leaf Valiant Baseball (all cards sorted by grade) Surprisingly (not), the next and last group of cards graded this day is 2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade) February 12, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing 2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade) A bunch of vintage Hockey and Basketball cards graded with no posted results, possibly BAS (Beckett Authentication Services) Joe Clemons (Leaf) BGS 10’s and Black Labels Another batch of 2018 Panini Encased football (all cards sorted by grade) ends the day. February 18, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until BAS (Beckett Authentication Services) items start being added 11131947 - 11134794 Next, we have some BCCG (all cards sorted by grade) 2018 Leaf Valiant Baseball (all cards sorted by grade) The day ends with 2018 The Bar (Super Break Sports) having their product encased and the autographs graded. March 7, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board until some sorted BCCG cards start appearing. Next, we have a batch of Joe Clemons of BGS 10’s and Black Labels The day finishes with a large run of consecutive BGS 9 cards 11196970 - 11197358 March 18, 2019 The day finishes with Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels April 5, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board until Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels start appearing. Next, we have a batch of Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG grades 11267340 - 11267893 Another batch of Joe Clemons BGS 10’s A batch of Yu-Gi-Oh BCCG grades 11268029 – 11268400 April 24, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board until what appears to be a BGS 10 Black Label, minimum grade submission. Only 2 Black Labels out of this batch, with everything else receiving no grade. 11304890 - 11304948 2013-14 Select Giannis Antetokounmpo RC 2014-15 Panini Prizm Prizms Yellow and Red Mosaic Joel Embiid – for sale by psa-set-registry (Anthony Fernando) https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1310282 Next, we have a batch of Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels Day appears to finish with an SSI (Superior Sports Investments) submission https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1276110 May 8, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing Leaf grouping of BGS 10’s and Black Labels Followed up by Joe Clemons BGS 10’s and Black Labels Like the May 23rd day with the news worthy Ohtani grading, this day ends with another Hobby news worthy card being graded, by someone (breakers.rowe) on 3124508 on COMC’s List of eBay Accounts of Known Card Trimmers & their Agents https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304959 https://www.beckett.com/news/2019-bo...tor-autograph/ https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1291356 11334470 2019 Bowman Chrome Prospect Autographs Superfractors Wander Franco BGS 9.5 June 12, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until Joe Clemons grouping of BGS 10's and Black Labels As usual, 2018-19 Panini Encased Basketball (all cards sorted by grade) is up next. June 13, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until some sorted grades start appearing Something called 2018 Leaf Special Release, that appears to have been graded via BCCG As expected, the next group of graded cards belongs to Panini, 2018-19 Panini Encased Basketball (all cards sorted by grade) A group of 2018 Saquon Barkley RC BCCG 10 cards Day ends with some more 2018 Leaf Special Release, graded via BCCG August 26, 2019 A bunch of normal looking grading results – cards and grades vary across the board, until a large run of cards not receiving grades. Next group of cards are some Zion Williamson (all cards sorted by grade) https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...43&postcount=1 After the Zion cards are graded, the next and last group of cards graded belong to Joe Clemons and meatloafsmemorabilia who have adjoining groups of BGS 10’s and Black Labels. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3916 __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.