25% of HOF votes are in and the leaders are...

[SethMurphy]

Originally Posted by jrosales

Looks like Raines and Bagwell may not make it, as each is hovering around 75-78% at the moment.

where are you getting up to the minute voting results?

[NickM]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

My mom got me the 1975 Baseball Encyclopedia for Christmas in 1975.

At that time 300 HR's was the magic number. There were NO players who were eligible for the HOF that were not in with 300 HR's

The book was awesome. Had every player ever to appear in a major league game. I would read it for hours at a time

There were a bunch. Duke Snider had over 400 and hadn't yet been inducted. Gil Hodges at 370 still isn't in.

[JWBlue]

Another thought on Sheffield and Martinez.

If Edgar Martinez is in, Sheffield HAS to be in.

Sheffield's WAR takes a big hit due to this defense. Martinez could not even get on the field.

[raidersfan1983]

Originally Posted by SethMurphy

where are you getting up to the minute voting results?

ryan thibs has a running tally at 194 public ballots reported

Griffey 100%
Piazza 86.1%
Bagwell 76.8%
Raines 76.3%
Hoffman 63.4%
Schilling 59.8%
Mussina 52.6%
Bonds 51.5%
Clemens 51%
Edgar 45.9%

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by raidersfan1983

ryan thibs has a running tally at 194 public ballots reported

Griffey 100%
Piazza 86.1%
Bagwell 76.8%
Raines 76.3%
Hoffman 63.4%
Schilling 59.8%
Mussina 52.6%
Bonds 51.5%
Clemens 51%
Edgar 45.9%

So 2 people are making Hall of Fame (if this holds up)
2 people are making the Hall of Good.

[base set]

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[awz50]

No bonds again

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by awz50

No bonds again

It's not a real HOF until Bonds, Sosa, Clemens are in. Writers who shouldn't be voting are only keeping them out based on assumption with no proof to back it up.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

It's not a real HOF until Bonds, Sosa, Clemens are in. Writers who shouldn't be voting are only keeping them out based on assumption with no proof to back it up.

One of these players does not belong.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by discostu

One of these players does not belong.

Sosa.

[babybull]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Here's a great article the illustrates par of why I support a bigger Hall...

Recent players still getting shortchanged in Hall of Fame voting - SweetSpot- ESPN

I'm ok with a bigger Hall. Just change the name from Hall of Fame to something else.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by discostu

One of these players does not belong.

If you mean Sosa?

Career .273 hitter 609 Homers 1,667 RBI. Only player in MLB history with 3 60 homer run seasons. Yeah that's not HOF numbers.

[JaredThe79]

Just Piazza and Griffey. Wow.

[Wolves4Life]

Piazza makes the Hall of Good

Only Griffey truly deserves it of those making it in.

[babybull]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

My mom got me the 1975 Baseball Encyclopedia for Christmas in 1975.

At that time 300 HR's was the magic number. There were NO players who were eligible for the HOF that were not in with 300 HR's

The book was awesome. Had every player ever to appear in a major league game. I would read it for hours at a time

That's because there were a bunch of guys not eligible yet that were some of the greatest offensive players in baseball history. Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Frank Robinson, Pete Rose just to name a few. The 50's and 60's were the Golden Era of baseball. Once those guys went in, it changed the paramenters by which greatness was measured. Do we really want greatness judged from this point on by Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire and Rafeal Palmeiro?

[babybull]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Piazza makes the Hall of Good

Only Griffey truly deserves it of those making it in.

I believe this is correct.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

It's not a real HOF until Bonds, Sosa, Clemens are in. Writers who shouldn't be voting are only keeping them out based on assumption with no proof to back it up.

Originally Posted by discostu

One of these players does not belong.

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

If you mean Sosa?

Career .273 hitter 609 Homers 1,667 RBI. Only player in MLB history with 3 60 homer run seasons. Yeah that's not HOF numbers.

His entire career numbers are based on PEDs, so until Bonds and Clemens get in...Sosa doesn't belong in the conversation.

While Bonds and Clemens both clearly used, they had their hands on the doors of the Hall prior to that first needle.

[centereacan06]

Griffey left off of only 3 ballots.

Apparently they let 3 baboons vote.

[babybull]

Originally Posted by discostu

His entire career numbers are based on PEDs, so until Bonds and Clemens get in...Sosa doesn't belong in the conversation.

While Bonds and Clemens both clearly used, they had their hands on the doors of the Hall prior to that first needle.

Then why cheat?

[Hess687]

I'd like to know what 3 voters didn't vote for Griffey, then I'd like their reasoning and then I'd like their HOF vote taken away.

[Wolves4Life]

Hot Stove on MLB Network will probably have the 3 voters who did put KGJ on it.

[Devi8or]

Originally Posted by Hess687

I'd like to know what 3 voters didn't vote for Griffey, then I'd like their reasoning and then I'd like their HOF vote taken away.

If they ever surface, they're gonna play it off as Junior was a lock, so they want to use that vote to support another player who needs it.

So essentially instead of "wasting" their vote on a person who is easily and 100% deserves to be in, they want to waste it on someone who is a borderline HoFer to them....makes zero sense

[trixstar]

Left off by 3 people who are communists

[rcmb3220]

Lynn Henning of the Detroit news left his ballot blank. He wrote about it a month ago

[Syndygaard]

Originally Posted by Hess687

I'd like to know what 3 voters didn't vote for Griffey, then I'd like their reasoning and then I'd like their HOF vote taken away.

Im with you on this. Its so bloody stupid that it wasn't unanimous.