Cardinals Acquire Paul Goldschmidt

[Chrisyork33]

Originally Posted by tscbaseball

The Diamondbacks having a player like Goldy is the main reason I got back into collecting. Suddenly not feeling it right now. This one's going to hurt for a while.

I'm sorry for your loss. Sports is a zero sum game. One person's happiness is another's sadness.

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

bagwell ENDED his career with a slash line better than Goldy has now thru his prime...no shot Goldy actually improves his slash stats...he would have to improve going forward to match his rbi/run/hr totals...he would have to double his WAR to get to what bagwell had...literally double it...and yea..just win one of those pesky MVPs...

then he would be comparable to Bagwell

but if he gets to like 2300 hits.. 1300 run/rbi...400hr...200sb(same as Bagwell) and ends with a .290/.385/.520/.905 with ops+ of 135 and like 63WAR..he really wouldnt be comparable to Bagwell all that much...and that is probably an optimistic career tally for him i would think...thats a damn fine career..but he isnt making HOF with that

I didn’t compare him to bagwell I just said he was on his time frame.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by hagausaf

Incentive is Harper desperately wants to play in LV. Nearest place is Arizona and they’ve got the money to burn, if they can move Greinke which shouldn’t be too hard. They can rebuild around Bryce and still bring in fans with him around. It actually makes too much sense. They could just offer him 10 yrs 400 million. No team will beat that AAV.

I would say LA is just as close to Vegas as Phoenix is. Also, I don't know that I've heard that he 'desperately' wants to play in or around LV, but I'm sure that it's a consideration at least.

Let me ask from the other side. If you are a D-Backs fan, why would you want to do this? Again, assuming they trade Greinke, that's their top two starters and best offensive player moving on all in one off-season, and right after a .500ish finish last year. You really want them to overspend on an inconsistent Bryce Harper? Sounds like a way to be mediocre at best for a long time.

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by Peties Army

I didn’t compare him to bagwell I just said he was on his time frame.

right but the prior post saying Bagwell was his #1 comp and he was a HOF...well sure but not really at the same time...similar career arc from an age standpoint and the stats are similar(all favor Bagwell thru his age 30 season) and he does have that MVP which is an awful big bullet point on any resume

just replied to your post as it was tied to that...

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

right but the prior post saying Bagwell was his #1 comp and he was a HOF...well sure but not really at the same time...similar career arc from an age standpoint and the stats are similar(all favor Bagwell thru his age 30 season) and he does have that MVP which is an awful big bullet point on any resume

just replied to your post as it was tied to that...

Oh got it.

[rats60]

The Diamondbacks trade a top 5/10 player in the game for a #5 starter, a bullpen catcher and a minor leaguer who is bouncing between A and AA. Seems like a really good trade...for the Cardinals. Lol.

[doowopbruce]

Originally Posted by babybull

It isn't luck.

What would you call it?

[bn2cardz]

I am sorry I started a tangent by stating Goldy will be a HOF. Obviously we don't have any way of knowing 100% if someone will be a HOF. I still believe he will be in the HOF.

Those hung up on no MVP, need to realize that he has been 2nd twice and 3rd once. Not having an MVP being a hang up is a fallacy to say the least. Derek Jeter never won MVP either. Goldy has a higher MVP share in his first 7 full seasons than Gwynn did in his entire career. Goldy lost MVP to Cutch in 2013 while besting him in HR, R, RBI, OPS. So it wasn't like he wouldn't have been deserving.

Goldy in his 8 year career is 19th in WAR (BR), the only guys younger than him in the top 20 is Stanton(28) at #20 and Trout(26) at #5, and Stanton was in the league one year longer.

When we think who may be 1st time ballot guys when he joins the ballot we have to look at other guys around the age of 29-31. That would includes the likes of Andrew McCutchen and Buster Posey, the only other two guys in that age range in the top 20 WAR. Both have also played two years longer than Goldschmidt and McCutchen leads the group with a WAR of 42, only 1.9 better than Goldschmidt which he could easily surpass next year.

So, yes, I believe based off who will also be on the ballot when Goldy gets on I do believe he will be voted in.

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I am sorry I started a tangent by stating Goldy will be a HOF. Obviously we don't have any way of knowing 100% if someone will be a HOF. I still believe he will be in the HOF.

Those hung up on no MVP, need to realize that he has been 2nd twice and 3rd once. Not having an MVP being a hang up is a fallacy to say the least. Derek Jeter never won MVP either. Goldy has a higher MVP share in his first 7 full seasons than Gwynn did in his entire career. Goldy lost MVP to Cutch in 2013 while besting him in HR, R, RBI, OPS. So it wasn't like he wouldn't have been deserving.

Goldy in his 8 year career is 19th in WAR (BR), the only guys younger than him in the top 20 is Stanton(28) at #20 and Trout(26) at #5, and Stanton was in the league one year longer.

When we think who may be 1st time ballot guys when he joins the ballot we have to look at other guys around the age of 29-31. That would includes the likes of Andrew McCutchen and Buster Posey, the only other two guys in that age range in the top 20 WAR. Both have also played two years longer than Goldschmidt and McCutchen leads the group with a WAR of 42, only 1.9 better than Goldschmidt which he could easily surpass next year.

So, yes, I believe based off who will also be on the ballot when Goldy gets on I do believe he will be voted in.

I don’t think anyone was hung up on his no mvp.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I am sorry I started a tangent by stating Goldy will be a HOF. Obviously we don't have any way of knowing 100% if someone will be a HOF. I still believe he will be in the HOF.

Those hung up on no MVP, need to realize that he has been 2nd twice and 3rd once. Not having an MVP being a hang up is a fallacy to say the least. Derek Jeter never won MVP either. Goldy has a higher MVP share in his first 7 full seasons than Gwynn did in his entire career. Goldy lost MVP to Cutch in 2013 while besting him in HR, R, RBI, OPS. So it wasn't like he wouldn't have been deserving.

Goldy in his 8 year career is 19th in WAR (BR), the only guys younger than him in the top 20 is Stanton(28) at #20 and Trout(26) at #5, and Stanton was in the league one year longer.

When we think who may be 1st time ballot guys when he joins the ballot we have to look at other guys around the age of 29-31. That would includes the likes of Andrew McCutchen and Buster Posey, the only other two guys in that age range in the top 20 WAR. Both have also played two years longer than Goldschmidt and McCutchen leads the group with a WAR of 42, only 1.9 better than Goldschmidt which he could easily surpass next year.

So, yes, I believe based off who will also be on the ballot when Goldy gets on I do believe he will be voted in.

He is 15th in OPS+ among first basemen all time right between Willie McCovey and Harmon Killebrew. Everyone above him is either in the HOF, used steroids or a strong candidate (Cabrera, Votto). He is a Gold Glove defensively. He is definitely on pace to make the HOF unless he falls off a cliff.

[Ryanmo5]

As sad as I am that he was traded they had to do it, Dave Stewart screwed up so bad that they just don't have the money to resign him. When he signed Tomas and Greinke he all but sealed Goldys fate in AZ. Plus he's 31 and they couldn't lose him for nothing. They also needed to replenish their farm system so it worked out for both clubs.

[doowopbruce]

Originally Posted by Ryanmo5

As sad as I am that he was traded they had to do it, Dave Stewart screwed up so bad that they just don't have the money to resign him. When he signed Tomas and Greinke he all but sealed Goldys fate in AZ. Plus he's 31 and they couldn't lose him for nothing. They also needed to replenish their farm system so it worked out for both clubs.

The Diamondbacks got hosed. Without giving up one top prospect the Cardinals kept their farm system completely intact and got Paul Goldschmidt for beans.