PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by corndog

Moser probably practiced using different inks and applications on inexpensive cards. Once he found the right combination he went for it.

I would be very worried about vintage black border or cards with a lot of black solid purchased from PWCC.

The recoloring is scarier to me than the trimming. More money will have to be invested by PSA in detection methods.

[festus]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #27619861

1958 Topps Jim Brown RC #62

Value gain of $7,850.89

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on December 22, 2016 for $2,136.11. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1397718
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $9,987.00 on September 24, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1549855

Yellow circles are print and scuff mark identifiers.
Red square shows where color was added to cover the printing imperfections.

There were four PSA 8 Browns that PWCC sold within 2 months of each other...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1118405

[cking]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

How do they miss the colorization on this card? They are either just being lazy or there is something else going on. That recoloring should stick out like a sore thumb.

Well...BGS missed this one.

[Saraste]

Originally Posted by superdan49

The recoloring is scarier to me than the trimming. More money will have to be invested by PSA in detection methods.

I can't imagine the number of recolored 1971s that are out there.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:26466865

1951 Parkhurst #52 The Winning Goal PSA 5.5 to PSA 7

Sold on 9/20/2016 as a PSA 5.5 by eBay seller glass1979 to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $215.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 7/8/2018 as a PSA 7 for $677.00
Value gain of $462


And yet another trimmed '51 Parkie. In this case the right edge has been slightly, but noticeably, trimmed. The two paper fibers circled in red confirm the match, as does the fact that the PSA 5.5 passed through the hands of Gary Moser.

PSA 5.5: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...3&w=948&h=1720
PSA 7: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1686677

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:26466865

1951 Parkhurst #52 The Winning Goal PSA 5.5 to PSA 7

Sold on 9/20/2016 as a PSA 5.5 by eBay seller glass1979 to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $215.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 7/8/2018 as a PSA 7 for $677.00
Value gain of $462


And yet another trimmed '51 Parkie. In this case the right edge has been slightly, but noticeably, trimmed. The two paper fibers circled in red confirm the match, as does the fact that the PSA 5.5 passed through the hands of Gary Moser.

PSA 5.5: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...3&w=948&h=1720
PSA 7: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1686677

So what’s your process like for finding these over and over again? Is it just — if you spend an hour looking at old auctions you’ll find a couple? How deep does the pool of cards you’re looking through run? Like 10,000+?

The results are amazing. Keep it up!

[izucantc]

What's the card count so far? It seems never ending my God, altered card after altered card. PSA/Beckett and PWCC had to know something shady was going on for a while now.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #28639509

1957 Topps Bill Russell RC #77

Value gain of $13,782.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on August 21, 2017 for $4,427.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1532578
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7.5 for $18,209.00 on March 20, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1624841

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red square shows where corners were sharpened. Though it can't be proven due to being a scanned image, the dark ink areas on the front appear cleaner on the 7.5 and show white offset on the 6. PWCC calls the offset "snow".

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

So what’s your process like for finding these over and over again? Is it just — if you spend an hour looking at old auctions you’ll find a couple? How deep does the pool of cards you’re looking through run? Like 10,000+?

The results are amazing. Keep it up!

For the 1951 Parkhurst cards I scan through auction images and see what looks small in the holder. Then I check VCP to see if whitman111 ever bought any of that card. If yes, I check if I have a match.

[Rucchin]

That might be the nicest PSA 6 Russell I’ve ever seen. Most 6s are horribly off centered. The jump in value for this card post PSA 6 is clearly evident.

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #28639509

1957 Topps Bill Russell RC #77

Value gain of $13,782.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on August 21, 2017 for $4,427.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1532578
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7.5 for $18,209.00 on March 20, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1624841

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red square shows where corners were sharpened. Though it can't be proven due to being a scanned image, the dark ink areas on the front appear cleaner on the 7.5 and show white offset on the 6. PWCC calls the offset "snow".

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by superdan49

The recoloring is scarier to me than the trimming. More money will have to be invested by PSA in detection methods.

“Extra eye appeal”

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:26026310

1951 Parkhurst #4 Maurice Richard PSA 4 to PSA 6

Sold on 4/14/2016 as a PSA 4 by eBay seller investinbaseball to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $879.01
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/27/2016 as a PSA 6 for $2,716.66
Value gain of $1,837.65!


This Richard caught my attention because it looked unnaturally white. My suspicions were correct. Not only was a copious amount of brightener solution used, but the lower right corner was artificially sharpened (see photo inset). Red circles are common paper fibers.

PSA 4: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1951-parkhurst-maurice-richard-rc-1810554355
PSA 6: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1372851

[charnick]

Pardon the basketball pic, but saw this tonight and was like wow... man, the brass ones on these guys to still be listing cards - and with an eBay "Authenticity Verified" badge to boot! Surely good for a larf!

EVERYTHING they sell and have ever sold is TAINTED.

I went to the Long Beach Expo this weekend and the line to submit to PSA was 20+ deep on Saturday. Overheard the security guys saying it was an up to 2 hour wait on Friday. Take that with a grain of salt though, I find most in person submitters here are old timers who have to fill out their complete forms right at the table. I can imagine it can take up to a half an hour on high volume guys with no preparation or consideration.

SGC also had a table, first time I saw them there, and they did have one or two customers I saw, but no line, certainly.

So even though you titans of investigation keep compiling ironclad evidence, PSA's wallet certainly isn't feeling the burn like one might think it would. Personally, I don't think they're actively complicit, just incredibly lax with their standards at this point, accumulated over a 20 year period of time to simply rest on their laurels. PWCC and their accomplices however are filthier than a pack of subway rats. You guys are doing a great service to the community driving them into the light and out of the business and hopefully behind bars.

ETA: I was not waiting in line to submit... I'm done with them as a customer until they prove they care about true quality control.

[corndog]

This card was found by Superdan from info received from another member.

PSA Cert #27229074

1957 Topps Bob Cousy RC #17

Value gain of $26,747.23

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on October 02, 2016 for $1,852.77. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1349732
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $28,600.00 on August 21, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1532574

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares show white from offset during printing on the 7. PWCC calls the offset "snow". 'Offset' occurs when the ink is applied too heavy during printing or it can be the result of not enough spray powder used during the sheets stacking together. It could also be caused by being handled when the ink is not completely dry. All of the black spots on the back that are not supposed to be there is a result of ink transfer from the paper just below that was front side up. That sheet will have the same amount of "snow" showing. The graders should have known that all of the ink transfer on the card back was caused by offset and that the card front should be all splotchy with "snow".

Note in the PWCC PSA-8.5 listing description: "The offered quality simply doesn't exist in the hobby and we'd be rather surprised if any of the 4 PSA 9s in the world hold eye appeal equal to this 8.5. A dead centered and perfectly printed specimen which sets the bar for what's possible from the issue."

[Archangel1775]

I feel like the only safe vintage cards are the ones that have recently been pack pulled. The 55 Bowman Mantle for instance pulled at the National last year. It graded a PSA 9 I believe. Sadly, if it left the slab that PSA originally put it in, Moser and PWCC may have attempted to conserve it to a PSA 10.

[pspa123]

I think you have the title wrong there.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I think you have the title wrong there.

Thanks - fixed.

[Vintagecollect]

Edited "many of these cards show" 6 months from bought to conserved to PSA then sold. I have a really hard time believing Brent didnt own these cards, or was doing special favors for Moser. Doubtful I could have them In hand, to PSA, back and up on their auction site in that time frame.

[Buysellyell]

This all smells like big fat wire fraud...

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Vintagecollect

Edited "many of these cards show" 6 months from bought to conserved to PSA then sold. I have a really hard time believing Brent didnt own these cards, or was doing special favors for Moser. Doubtful I could have them In hand, to PSA, back and up on their auction site in that time frame.

Seems about right to me. Most of these cards would be sent it on higher dollar, faster turnaround subs.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by Vintagecollect

Edited "many of these cards show" 6 months from bought to conserved to PSA then sold. I have a really hard time believing Brent didnt own these cards, or was doing special favors for Moser. Doubtful I could have them In hand, to PSA, back and up on their auction site in that time frame.

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Seems about right to me. Most of these cards would be sent it on higher dollar, faster turnaround subs.

I would have to go back and find them, but some of the cards I have posted were bought and resold in about 3 months.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:40814410

1949 Bowman #50 Jackie Robinson PSA 3 to PSA 5

Sold on 10/9/2017 as a PSA 3 by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $898.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 5/9/2019 as a PSA 5 for $3,238.88
Value gain of $2,340!


This card had a substantial wrinkle that was pressed out. From the PSA 3 online catalog description: "a few light wrinkles stemming from the left edge present." No mention of wrinkles in the PSA 5 description. In fact, the PSA 5 has received the PWCC-E sticker for exceptional eye appeal.

Common print spots circled in purple. The small green arrows on the PSA 3 point to the wrinkle, which cannot be seen in the PSA 5. This card, like many others, was sent to me by a collector on an e-mail tip.

PSA 3: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555904
PSA 5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1974562

[corndog]

The tip line has been very fruitful!
Many thanks to those who have used it.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by corndog

I would have to go back and find them, but some of the cards I have posted were bought and resold in about 3 months.

Express service from PSA ($75, card value <$2K) is 8 business days. Plenty of time for a 3 month turnaround. Even at the next level lower of 25 business days, 3 months is doable.

[T206Collector]

Is this a complete list of cards that have been outed on BO, or is it just the ones that have been registered on PSA?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1296184