MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by no10pin

Everything in the picture in that post

Sorry guys, looks like that picture (post 531) doesn't show on my work computer, but does on my phone.

I know what you're talking about now, sorry to waste your time

[DunceMode]

Originally Posted by pip

As they should be. There's no way those criminals should be allowed to sell on COMC ever again.

That might solve the mystery of who did it, right? If wiped, I would think it implied action by COMC rather than these guys pulling inventory to minimize risk.

[DunceMode]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

Sorry guys, looks like that picture (post 531) doesn't show on my work computer, but does on my phone.

I know what you're talking about now, sorry to waste your time

Your work probably blocks the imgur domain. Happens to me too.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by luckyduck

The Goldy rookie was about two months ago and the Didi rookie maybe 4 or 5. I'm not terribly worried about the money--both were, in retrospect, suspiciously good deals.

In case you don't already know, PayPal protects you for 180 days on purchases if it is a "time of discovery" situation like those sure sound.

[sfgiants4life]

Originally Posted by DunceMode

That might solve the mystery of who did it, right? If wiped, I would think it implied action by COMC rather than these guys pulling inventory to minimize risk.

True but I think COMC needs to make an announcement regarding what happened and the steps that were taken. For all we know the raw stuff could be moving to a new account and the graded items transferred offsite. If he is banned...then let us know. Also there is still a ton of graded cards that were sold and that are being resold by other sellers. I like to buy graded ichiro rc and now I am just staying away. All the graded ichiro rcs I purchased from those sellers that are at home and outside of their 7 day window makes me sick.

[DunceMode]

Originally Posted by sfgiants4life

True but I think COMC needs to make an announcement regarding what happened and the steps that were taken. For all we know the raw stuff could be moving to a new account and the graded items transferred offsite. If he is banned...then let us know. Also there is still a ton of graded cards that were sold and that are being resold by other sellers. I like to buy graded ichiro rc and now I am just staying away. All the graded ichiro rcs I purchased from those sellers that are at home and outside of their 7 day window makes me sick.

I would almost guarantee that HawkDynasty will retain full control of his inventory. I'm sure he will try to find another fence.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by sfgiants4life

All the graded ichiro rcs I purchased from those sellers that are at home and outside of their 7 day window makes me sick.

If you used PayPal they don't honor the merchant return policy from my experience on situations involving fraud and claims can be made within 180 days of purchase. I can't speak for potential COMC retaliation though if you make a claim...

[sfgiants4life]

All purchased with credit from cards I sold. I'm SOL.

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by DunceMode

I would almost guarantee that HawkDynasty will retain full control of his inventory. I'm sure he will try to find another fence.

Agreed, I doubt COMC have any power to withhold his inventory unless the FBI intervenes, I would like to think they could at least ban him from selling on COMC

[Bowman1951]

Originally Posted by sfgiants4life

All purchased with credit from cards I sold. I'm SOL.

Probably like most sellers on COMC. I won’t even load my account back up now because of the tax hit credit takes to be on there. Flips are essentially “tax free” and go right back into either shipping PC items home or paying things like monthly storage credit.

[ThoseBackPages]

any shot at free shipping to make up for all this?

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

any shot at free shipping to make up for all this?

Make up for what exactly? Is it comc's fault that cards that passed the so called expert Grading companies were sent in for sale on their site and then found to be trimmed?

While I agree that any cards that have proven to be trimmed that are still for sale after COMC has been notified is on them (Including the week of silence after initial proof provided), everything before should just be subject to their normal T&C's, and if they want to offer anything further than that, that's a bonus

The real villains here are the Grading companies and the criminal who trimmed, graded and sold them

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

Make up for what exactly? Is it comc's fault that cards that passed the so called expert Grading companies were sent in for sale on their site and then found to be trimmed?

While I agree that any cards that have proven to be trimmed that are still for sale after COMC has been notified is on them (Including the week of silence after initial proof provided), everything before should just be subject to their normal T&C's, and if they want to offer anything further than that, that's a bonus

The real villains here are the Grading companies and the criminal who trimmed, graded and sold them

They’d still be named in a lawsuit.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #28758679

1956 Topps Dale Mitchell #268

Value gain of $325.50

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $164.50 on March 14, 2017.
Although sold by PWCC, this card cannot be found in the PWCC Marketplace. VCP link:https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...68/66496/PSA/7

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 8 for $490.00 on April 30, 2018.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1651818

Joe Orlando, August 28, 2019, "Taking My Hacks: In Awe of the Journey"

Look at your collection - whether the items are 25, 50 or 100 years old, think about the journey they must have gone through to end up in your possession today. Every card, autograph, photo, ticket, bat and more has a story of how it got to you.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...ks-awe-journey

[Soxfanguy]

Let me just go ahead and try to close this issue. I mean as Joe has said earlier, the level of submissions that we continue to see at the PSA cards business is -- continues to be very, very -- in fact, our backlog is actually higher than it was back in June. In terms of our warranty, we take a very conservative view in terms of warranty and what our expectation is, in terms of our balance sheet. So I think this whole trimming issue that we spent a lot of time talking about today is really something that we don't consider material to our business. And we'd probably just like to leave it at that in terms of any additional questions on the subject.

[Pink Pussycat]

For all of those people who can no longer receive restitution through eBay and/or PayPal, and are too late in the game to get a refund.... SUBMIT YOUR CARDS TO PSA, AGAINST THEIR SUPPOSED "GUARANTEE. They should be getting flooded with refund requests, given their incompetence. It is one of the few things we can do as consumers, to fight this rampant fraud.

Do not let them off the hook. It's way overdue that they start paying up for their "mistakes" and/or corruption (take your pick). Their arrogant self-serving attitude and "do nothing" stance would not be tolerated in any other industry!

Hopefully the FBI is clued into this thread.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

So I think this whole trimming issue that we spent a lot of time talking about today is really something that we don't consider material to our business.

How this statement can be made with a straight face (presuming he had a straight face at the time) is mind boggling.

He's saying that trimming isn't material to their business. He's saying that altering a card isn't material to their business. Their business is authenticating cards, and discovering any instances of cards being altered.

Let that sink in for a bit.

[shagrotn77]

Just catching up on this thread. I've seen that the 3 COMC accounts below are/were bad. Are there any others that have been outed/are sources for concern?

HawkDynasty
cccardfactory
LORDSTANLEY2012

[mc1]

Originally Posted by mattglet

How this statement can be made with a straight face (presuming he had a straight face at the time) is mind boggling.

He's saying that trimming isn't material to their business. He's saying that altering a card isn't material to their business. Their business is authenticating cards, and discovering any instances of cards being altered.

Let that sink in for a bit.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Joe Orlando, August 28, 2019, "Taking My Hacks: In Awe of the Journey"

Look at your collection - whether the items are 25, 50 or 100 years old, think about the journey they must have gone through to end up in your possession today. Every card, autograph, photo, ticket, bat and more has a story of how it got to you.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...ks-awe-journey

Well, the thousands of PSA Cards in question underwent some serious plastic surgery during their journey. Maybe if Joe lands in Jail, he will have plenty of time to ponder (and perhaps reconsider) his "journey".

[Bowman1951]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Just catching up on this thread. I've seen that the 3 COMC accounts below are/were bad. Are there any others that have been outed/are sources for concern?

HawkDynasty
cccardfactory
LORDSTANLEY2012

Not fully......yet, anyway.

The problem is, many of the cards purchased from them are now available as flips and still for sale. So you could potentially be buying the cards they had initially put into the COMC ecosystem that were trimmed.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Let me just go ahead and try to close this issue. I mean as Joe has said earlier, the level of submissions that we continue to see at the PSA cards business is -- continues to be very, very -- in fact, our backlog is actually higher than it was back in June. In terms of our warranty, we take a very conservative view in terms of warranty and what our expectation is, in terms of our balance sheet. So I think this whole trimming issue that we spent a lot of time talking about today is really something that we don't consider material to our business. And we'd probably just like to leave it at that in terms of any additional questions on the subject.

Let me see if I can translate that:

We (at PSA) have a line of customers out the door and around the corner waiting to hand us money. Because of that, we don't really care all that much if we are actually performing the service for which we are being paid. It's actually irrelevant. Our business is focused on raking in cash, not satisfying some perceived marketplace scrutiny. So all you haters out there can just shut your traps while we continue to get our hussle on. End of discussion.

Did I get the translation close?

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[codered]

Great work by BODA again! Sad to see this cesspool has made its way into the comc universe as it’s about 95% of all of my hobby sales and purchases. Fortunately I’ve only made a few purchases from these sellers and only two cards were over $10; a Steven Jackson raw Topps Chrome rookie refractor from LORDSTANLEY2012 and a Dalvin Cook optic red rookie auto #/50 from cccardfactory which is graded by SGC gm 10. I’ll definitely have to check to see if either is trimmed :-( sad as they are PC Cards. Definitely makes me think i’ll stay away from anything graded from this point forward unless I’ve sent it in from grading myself

[pip]

Originally Posted by mattglet

How this statement can be made with a straight face (presuming he had a straight face at the time) is mind boggling.

He's saying that trimming isn't material to their business. He's saying that altering a card isn't material to their business. Their business is authenticating cards, and discovering any instances of cards being altered.

Let that sink in for a bit.

It really makes perfect sense. Musically, at least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as-whCYL4ns

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

Just catching up on this thread. I've seen that the 3 COMC accounts below are/were bad. Are there any others that have been outed/are sources for concern?

Well, Superior Sports Investments is another one outed quite a while ago.
https://www.comc.com/Users/SuperiorS...tments,sr,i100