Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by skurtis

thank you -- but nothing listed at the moment, correct? I've sort of held out ***hope*** that maybe some of the unopened boxes of yore are ok.....but that's really a STUPID, STUPID assumption at this stage in the industry, I'm sure.

Correct. But the listings come and go. Haven’t seen anything actually sold on eBay. So just watch out.

Not saying the cases are tampered with (they’re always BBCE sealed). Just that I no longer would consider buying them given the source.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Without repeating my prior posts -- sorry don't have the energy -- selling an altered card without disclosure, or participating in a scheme to sell such a card, in interstate commerce would implicate the federal mail and wire fraud statutes.

It is fraud however you slice it (pun intended).

But if it turns out that grading companies and consignors were knowingly involved (as opposed to just incompetent) that will be a whole new ballgame. Can't hide old emails from the feds. That's what I'm waiting to see.

[skurtis]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Correct. But the listings come and go. Haven’t seen anything actually sold on eBay. So just watch out.

Not saying the cases are tampered with (they’re always BBCE sealed). Just that I no longer would consider buying them given the source.

Roger that -- exactly how I interpreted it. Thank you for your guidance. Much appreciated.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

It is fraud however you slice it (pun intended).

But if it turns out that grading companies and consignors were knowingly involved (as opposed to just incompetent) that will be a whole new ballgame. Can't hide old emails from the feds. That's what I'm waiting to see.

It seems to me there are three possibilities.
1. TPG's are really really really really really really incompetent.
2. Certain high volume/high profile submitters have figured out how to steer their cards to individual graders who give them preferential treatment, including minimal scrutiny of altered cards.
3. At the highest level (i.e. Orlando, Murray and Foreman), TPG's have encouraged preferential treatment for these submitters.

Pick your poison.

[itradeerrors]

Originally Posted by pspa123

It seems to me there are three possibilities.
1. TPG's are really really really really really really incompetent.
2. Certain high volume/high profile submitters have figured out how to steer their cards to individual graders who give them preferential treatment, including minimal scrutiny of altered cards.
3. At the highest level (i.e. Orlando, Murray and Foreman), TPG's have encouraged preferential treatment for these submitters.

Pick your poison.

My opinion is ALL 3.

[Danderlion]

Originally Posted by cardology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc

brb, going to a birthday party

https://media.tenor.com/images/5f61d...6220/tenor.gif

Originally Posted by cardology

Some of your posts make it seem like you put a lot of time and energy into them. Others, not so much.

Originally Posted by cardology

I was like 12 when that card was graded.

Originally Posted by cardology

So I trimmed it long ago or nah?

Originally Posted by cardology

Very interesting translation of what I wrote. And I did not ask mods to delete the thread. How can you make that kind of claim? I still can see it as well. However, you deleted a couple comments of yours that I replied to.

Originally Posted by cardology

I explain my side here. Be well.

Wow. What a tool. Thanks for exposing this criminal.

[IgnatiusJReilly]

I got turned off from the hobby in the 90s because I always felt like a mark/chump at shows. Dealers were total tools and it always felt like someone was trying to pull one over on you. I came back to cards as an adult and the continued exposure of all of these dbags doing even more sketchy stuff is turning me away again. Thanks for taking a fun hobby and turning it into a cash grab for dbags!


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[pspa123]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

I got turned off from the hobby in the 90s because I always felt like a mark/chump at shows. Dealers were total tools and it always felt like someone was trying to pull one over on you. I came back to cards as an adult and the continued exposure of all of these dbags doing even more sketchy stuff is turning me away again. Thanks for taking a fun hobby and turning it into a cash grab for dbags!


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When I was going to a lot of local shows in the 90s it seemed all I would hear at every table was how this product and that product was "drying up" and was way undervalued at current prices.

[estebahn73]

FWIW, I recently found out that, thanks to BODA, while showing off my baseball cards collection here on blowout, my 2012 Topps Archives Bryce Harper RC auto PSA 10 was trimmed. I had purchased this from one of the members here on Blowout (I contacted him but never responded....hmmm I wonder if he knew...). The BODA who pointed out the trimmed evidence told me to contact Betsy at PWCC who last sold the card in auction. I contacted Betsy at PWCC and told her the situation. She responded within 30 mins and told me that after her looking into the matter, she agreed that the card was compromised and my card was eligible for the refund program. I have to say she was nothing but courteous and professional. In fact, they sent me the shipping label right away for the card to be sent to them. They received the card on Friday afternoon (the 13th) and I just received the refund directly into my bank account today. I am very happy with the way they handled the situation and gave me some comfort that at least PWCC is taking the right approach to rectify the mess with trimmed cards. So if any of you are holding what seems to be trimmed card(s) based on strong evidence I strongly recommend that you contact PWCC right away.

[bravesfan#1]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

I got turned off from the hobby in the 90s because I always felt like a mark/chump at shows. Dealers were total tools and it always felt like someone was trying to pull one over on you. I came back to cards as an adult and the continued exposure of all of these dbags doing even more sketchy stuff is turning me away again. Thanks for taking a fun hobby and turning it into a cash grab for dbags!


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They still are. In my personal interactions at the National this past year, nearly all of the dudes dealing in high end were complete pricks. Not buying my $1,000 cards? Get lost. Not bringing me stuff to sell or trade? Scram. Have questions about things? I'll sit here on my phone and ignore you. My most pleasant interactions at shows are always the guys with low-mid end stuff and there to have fun. Not the guys that are always on edge worrying about how much profit they are making.

[HarryLime]

I wouldn't say I know Evan but I've shared enough digital space with him that I felt comfortable busting his balls. I got to see a lot of his pickups that others didn't get to see and I got to follow his progress on some of the sets he was (still is?) working on.

This makes ZERO sense. I've seen him make massive vintage buys and completely lament just how close a card came to being in X condition. You don't advertise that if you're planning on altering the card later to improve it. The guy's had like a million dollar bounty on a specific '88 Fleer basketball sticker in PSA 10 for years. Why doesn't he just trim up a bunch and send them in?

Are there sales directly from his account or are all the sales from PWCC/Probstein/consignment/auction houses? Because a much more plausible explanation is that Brent has been telling customers "I think I can get this to bump. Mind if I try?" and then cracking his customers cards out and having his (highly suspected by now) in-house doctors trim them up and get the altered grade.

I don't see a financial motive here and I know for a fact that Evan is a "true collector" so something here isn't jiving.

Arthur

ETA: Brent then turns around and says that all the owners of those cards are the ones that did the trimming, he just unwittingly submitted them to PSA. How can they prove otherwise? Brent was just an innocent pawn stuck in the middle of this giant conspiracy. That's how he's able to name so many card doctors at the beginning, because he knows whose cards he chopped up.

[pip]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I wouldn't say I know Evan but I've shared enough digital space with him that I felt comfortable busting his balls. I got to see a lot of his pickups that others didn't get to see and I got to follow his progress on some of the sets he was (still is?) working on.

This makes ZERO sense. I've seen him make massive vintage buys and completely lament just how close a card came to being in X condition. You don't advertise that if you're planning on altering the card later to improve it. The guy's had like a million dollar bounty on a specific '88 Fleer basketball sticker in PSA 10 for years. Why doesn't he just trim up a bunch and send them in?

Are there sales directly from his account or are all the sales from PWCC/Probstein/consignment/auction houses? Because a much more plausible explanation is that Brent has been telling customers "I think I can get this to bump. Mind if I try?" and then cracking his customers cards out and having his (highly suspected by now) in-house doctors trim them up and get the altered grade.

I don't see a financial motive here and I know for a fact that Evan is a "true collector" so something here isn't jiving.

Arthur

ETA: Brent then turns around and says that all the owners of those cards are the ones that did the trimming, he just unwittingly submitted them to PSA. How can they prove otherwise? Brent was just an innocent pawn stuck in the middle of this giant conspiracy. That's how he's able to name so many card doctors at the beginning, because he knows whose cards he chopped up.

Typical.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I wouldn't say I know Evan but I've shared enough digital space with him that I felt comfortable busting his balls. I got to see a lot of his pickups that others didn't get to see and I got to follow his progress on some of the sets he was (still is?) working on.

This makes ZERO sense. I've seen him make massive vintage buys and completely lament just how close a card came to being in X condition. You don't advertise that if you're planning on altering the card later to improve it. The guy's had like a million dollar bounty on a specific '88 Fleer basketball sticker in PSA 10 for years. Why doesn't he just trim up a bunch and send them in?

Are there sales directly from his account or are all the sales from PWCC/Probstein/consignment/auction houses? Because a much more plausible explanation is that Brent has been telling customers "I think I can get this to bump. Mind if I try?" and then cracking his customers cards out and having his (highly suspected by now) in-house doctors trim them up and get the altered grade.

I don't see a financial motive here and I know for a fact that Evan is a "true collector" so something here isn't jiving.

Arthur

ETA: Brent then turns around and says that all the owners of those cards are the ones that did the trimming, he just unwittingly submitted them to PSA. How can they prove otherwise? Brent was just an innocent pawn stuck in the middle of this giant conspiracy. That's how he's able to name so many card doctors at the beginning, because he knows whose cards he chopped up.

I didn’t miss my mark. You can’t pin everything on Brent.

Let’s see your supporting evidence.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I wouldn't say I know Evan but I've shared enough digital space with him that I felt comfortable busting his balls. I got to see a lot of his pickups that others didn't get to see and I got to follow his progress on some of the sets he was (still is?) working on.

This makes ZERO sense. I've seen him make massive vintage buys and completely lament just how close a card came to being in X condition. You don't advertise that if you're planning on altering the card later to improve it. The guy's had like a million dollar bounty on a specific '88 Fleer basketball sticker in PSA 10 for years. Why doesn't he just trim up a bunch and send them in?

Are there sales directly from his account or are all the sales from PWCC/Probstein/consignment/auction houses? Because a much more plausible explanation is that Brent has been telling customers "I think I can get this to bump. Mind if I try?" and then cracking his customers cards out and having his (highly suspected by now) in-house doctors trim them up and get the altered grade.

I don't see a financial motive here and I know for a fact that Evan is a "true collector" so something here isn't jiving.

Arthur

ETA: Brent then turns around and says that all the owners of those cards are the ones that did the trimming, he just unwittingly submitted them to PSA. How can they prove otherwise? Brent was just an innocent pawn stuck in the middle of this giant conspiracy. That's how he's able to name so many card doctors at the beginning, because he knows whose cards he chopped up.

You are one of the smartest guys on these boards. I mean that. What has been laid out here is 100% fact. It’s been known for a while and was a matter of time. This is one of those sad moments when you realize an acquaintance you trust/liked is dirty like the rest of them. He does like cards. Most of them do. He started with good intentions. Most of them do. Ultimately, he bowed to money and greed, like they all do.

This one might take a while for you to digest, but it is reality. Also, his responses here (and it IS him) tell you all you need to know about the guy.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I didn’t miss my mark. You can’t pin everything on Brent.

Let’s see your supporting evidence.

My supporting evidence of what?

I'm asking an honest question. Is the scenario I presented possible? Has he sold trimmed cards through his personal accounts?

Arthur

[skurtis]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

My supporting evidence of what?

I'm asking an honest question. Is the scenario I presented possible? Has he sold trimmed cards through his personal accounts?

Arthur

That is a HUGE jump in logic. Here is a $20k card, please resubmit.

Ok great, I am gonna risk $19k with a pair of scissors, AND I sell on flat fee, not % of sales, so I will assume that risk without seller approval?

It is possible but like the old Calculus Functions, it terminates towards Zero. I would rather play the lottery than buy your scenario odds

[pip]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

My supporting evidence of what?

I'm asking an honest question. Is the scenario I presented possible? Has he sold trimmed cards through his personal accounts?

Arthur

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by pejc300

You are one of the smartest guys on these boards. I mean that. What has been laid out here is 100% fact. It’s been known for a while and was a matter of time. This is one of those sad moments when you realize an acquaintance you trust/liked is dirty like the rest of them. He does like cards. Most of them do. He started with good intentions. Most of them do. Ultimately, he bowed to money and greed, like they all do.

This one might take a while for you to digest, but it is reality. Also, his responses here (and it IS him) tell you all you need to know about the guy.

That very may be the case. We didn't have sleepovers and take baths together. I'm just saying I got a chance to get to know him as a collector and a person. His responses here are EXACTLY what I would expect.

We're talking about a guy who listed a 1988 Topps Bo Jackson PSA 1 on eBay with stuff in the title like "Pop 1" "Rarer than the Wagner!" and stuff like that for like $100,000 just so he could eff with people. It was glorious. The responses he got from people were amazing and he would just keep effing with them. I was crying.

I don't think he gives a gravy boat full squid squash what the people in this thread think.

Arthur

[3124508 on COMC]

And to add, that purchase was sandwiched between card purchases, not purchases for scrapbooking supplies.

[pip]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

That very may be the case. We didn't have sleepovers and take baths together. I'm just saying I got a chance to get to know him as a collector and a person. His responses here are EXACTLY what I would expect.

We're talking about a guy who listed a 1988 Topps Bo Jackson PSA 1 on eBay with stuff in the title like "Pop 1" "Rarer than the Wagner!" and stuff like that for like $100,000 just so he could eff with people. It was glorious. The responses he got from people were amazing and he would just keep effing with them. I was crying.

I don't think he gives a gravy boat full squid squash what the people in this thread think.

Arthur

Arthur,

There's something really wrong with your thought process.

[tconte]

Arthur,

In this world nothing should surprise anyone, especially this hobby
my friend.

It is unfortunate.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by pip

Arthur,

There's something really wrong with your thought process.

Yeah, something deeper or personal going on here for a guy who is otherwise very logical. I’m sorry your hero is a criminal like the rest.

[KingInTheNorth]

Originally Posted by pip

[rman112]

Originally Posted by scottagibson

He played for a team I like

Fixed that..

[rman112]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

I’m just saying he’s a clown and thought pennywise would be a good example

I would've went with Eric.