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[thenightman]

Originally Posted by JVB

Tell that to Nike.

Nike raffles off their releases?

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by dthimesch

For anyone that doesn’t go back and read previous posts.

You have to read the verbiage of the email.

Your selection only gives you the “opportunity” to purchase. Can’t wait 47 hours to purchase otherwise it’s going to be sold out. Being selected was not a guarantee

That's a very legalistic and literal interpretation.

I certainly assumed I had the full 48 hours to make my purchase, and I'm guessing many other people believed the same.

I made my purchase right away, but I think it's fair to say that many people assumed that the "opportunity" was for the full 48-hour window, given that Topps did not include any "First Come, First Served" language in the email or anything else that indicated that not purchasing right away might cause you to miss out.

Another communications fail by Topps....

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by mfw13

That's a very legalistic and literal interpretation.

I certainly assumed I had the full 48 hours to make my purchase, and I'm guessing many other people believed the same.

I made my purchase right away, but I think it's fair to say that many people assumed that the "opportunity" was for the full 48-hour window, given that Topps did not include any "First Come, First Served" language in the email or anything else that indicated that not purchasing right away might cause you to miss out.

Another communications fail by Topps....

And when I first read about the raffle, I thought it was giving a select few people a chance to buy before they released it to the public.

Yes, another communications fail by Topps.

[TheWrightStuff]

Originally Posted by mfw13

That's a very legalistic and literal interpretation.

I certainly assumed I had the full 48 hours to make my purchase, and I'm guessing many other people believed the same.

I made my purchase right away, but I think it's fair to say that many people assumed that the "opportunity" was for the full 48-hour window, given that Topps did not include any "First Come, First Served" language in the email or anything else that indicated that not purchasing right away might cause you to miss out.

Another communications fail by Topps....

Well, its the first release using this method. Going forward, people will know to buy right away if they are chosen.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Well, its the first release using this method. Going forward, people will know to buy right away if they are chosen.

Yes, that’s true.

I should have prefaced this before my post, so I’ll say it now. There are no sour grapes on my part for not getting chosen. I am very happy for those of you who were. I’m just speaking on the long term implications of raffles become the status quo.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by GMSportsCards

Seeing as how it hasn't even been 20 hours since I received the email, I don't think anyone has waited "47 hours" to buy. I waited 5, and they were gone.

This would seem to indicate either that there were more raffle winners than boxes available, which would be a pretty big screw-up by Topps, OR that the "sell-out" was caused by the fact that some people did manage to cheat the system and buy extra boxes, and that once Topps is finished going through and cancelling those illegal orders, boxes will no longer be "sold-out" and everyone who won the raffle but did not purchase yet will now have the opportunity to purchase their boxes.

[Bob Ross]

Dutch Auction < Topps raffle

[mnvikingstwins]

It's no different than political rallies that give out tickets well in excess of capacity, you wouldn't cap it at 20k there either for an arena if you know not everyone will go, and if it is at capacity and you show up late you get turned away

[JVB]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Nike raffles off their releases?

Yeah, they do lottery drawings in the SNKRS app for the super hype limited releases. Been doing it for a while.

[fjdlrw]

Originally Posted by mfw13

That's a very legalistic and literal interpretation.

I certainly assumed I had the full 48 hours to make my purchase, and I'm guessing many other people believed the same.

I made my purchase right away, but I think it's fair to say that many people assumed that the "opportunity" was for the full 48-hour window, given that Topps did not include any "First Come, First Served" language in the email or anything else that indicated that not purchasing right away might cause you to miss out.

Another communications fail by Topps....

I can totally understand this, but as soon as I saw the purchase button I was clicking on it. Wasn't going to blow my opportunity. With Topps, you just have to assume that you need to act quick and/or they'll just mess things up. It sucks, but it's their game that we're forced to play.

[dthimesch]

Originally Posted by GMSportsCards

Opportunity is about the only word that can be used in the situation. They are not going to say, "You now have the right to purchase." or "We command you to purchase 2 boxes now."

Seeing as how it hasn't even been 20 hours since I received the email, I don't think anyone has waited "47 hours" to buy. I waited 5, and they were gone. Not much I can do about it now, and am not going to keep complaining about it, but to act like people are in the wrong for not immediately buying because they interpreted the wording differently than someone else is short-sighted.

I never said anyone was “wrong” for or about anything. I only mentioned the verbiage to those that think trashing Topps on all avenues is the way to go when those selected weren’t guaranteed anything

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Dutch Auction < Topps raffle

Don't speak for everyone.

I'll take a raffle all day over a fake dutch auction.

With dutch auctions you still have a million complainers that they couldnt get their orders in when the price dropped to what they wanted to pay. Look at every Panini thread.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Don't speak for everyone.

I'll take a raffle all day over a fake dutch auction.

With dutch auctions you still have a million complainers that they couldnt get their orders in when the price dropped to what they wanted to pay. Look at every Panini thread.

Right. It's not even a dutch auction panini is doing. The brains at panini: lets just call it dutch anyway. We tho smawt.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Dutch Auction < Topps raffle

Dutch Oven < Dutch Auction < Topps Raffle < Bots get it all in 45 seconds

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by nmordowitz

Did ok
Here is a pic of top hits from my 3 boxes
2 Robert base
1 Alvarez base
Alvarez Ref
Robert Ref
And then some color but no good names


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The Robert base I'm guessing will settle in around $60. The Alvarez Base around $20. In 3 base cards, you will cover your cost. Im guessing the Alvarez Ref, if you are patient will be $250-300, the Robert around $500.

I listed the Bo on ebay an hour ago. 4 Offers from $100-200. Declined them all. Figure with a 200 card set....going to be tricky to pull the good rookies, you nabbed the best one, and an undisputed top 3-4 as well.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by BluesBroSJ

If you want to sell that Bubba, I’d be a buyer!

Crazy that Bubba is finally making an appearance as a rookie!

[mnvikingstwins]

I'm already up to $1341 after fees in sales on 6 boxes, this stuff is better than sapphires. Didn't even hit a $100 card in today's boxes, hit 3 yesterday

[ClevelandIC]

Originally Posted by thenightman

It’s funny because I was able to get 1st edition all three days. First two days it took awhile, and a lot of patience. The 3rd day was easier. Bowman Sapphire was the impossible one for me. I could never get it to load into my cart. Where I’m coming from is, it’s luck based and even if you create 20 accounts, to better your odds, theres still no guarantees.

I’m pointing out the fact that there are going to be people who are going to sign up for these raffles and maybe never get chosen. Never. How are those people supposed to feel?

Yes, it’s better than first come, first serve in a bot world, but the raffle cannot be the idea moving forward.

This may be something that we don't know for sure. There is a lot of speculation for this raffle that we know little about. Why were there two groups? Were there more that we don't know about, as well? If someone won this time, will they even be eligible for the next product? Topps was able to eliminate MC members from having access, they could limit the people that have won previous raffles as well.

I have a lot of friends and family that collect as well as buy and sell cards. They were able to sign up from their phones, purchase from their phones and checkout in about 5 total minutes. I would much rather have this, than anything I've seen before. AND - that is with me being able to buy everything else, except this, up to this point. The fact that I don't have to sit in front of my computer all day is wonderful.

[MTBRM]

Originally Posted by JVB

Yeah, they do lottery drawings in the SNKRS app for the super hype limited releases. Been doing it for a while.

Not even just the limited, it's tiered.

All the basic GR stuff is FCFS.

Any colorway of a Jordan 1 for example would be a LEO that lets everyone enter and within the first few seconds, a mini-raffle of sorts to determine whose card goes through.

Then you have what you're referring to for the extremely limited stuff like Off-White collabs or SBs, which is the Draw system that is open anywhere between 5-30 minutes. Everyone enters within the countdown clock, then the raffle begins.


Botted to hell like anything else is these days and I'm quickly noticing the sneaker crowd has been shifting their bots to literally anything that can turn a profit. Unfortunate for me being naive enough to think that coming back into the hobby would help me avoid that hell a bit for once lol.


As an aside, why anyone would expect Topps to reserve you two boxes for 48 hours is beyond me. The window of availability is 48 hours. Don't really understand why anyone would just hold out unless they missed the email entirely or something.

[Mr Wells]

Cool Bubba!

[smanzari]

Here's Mine- 10 hits in 3 Boxes (5 in 1!) - Rosario Refractor not scanned

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

The Robert base I'm guessing will settle in around $60. The Alvarez Base around $20. In 3 base cards, you will cover your cost. Im guessing the Alvarez Ref, if you are patient will be $250-300, the Robert around $500.

I listed the Bo on ebay an hour ago. 4 Offers from $100-200. Declined them all. Figure with a 200 card set....going to be tricky to pull the good rookies, you nabbed the best one, and an undisputed top 3-4 as well.

There’s only 131 refractors for any given player. Don’t sell yourself short.

[BNB]

Anyone know who capitalsports On eBay is?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Right. It's not even a dutch auction panini is doing. The brains at panini: lets just call it dutch anyway. We tho smawt.

I think the only sensible answer here is, and I think it was Bob Dylan who said it best, everybody must get bots.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by thenightman

It’s funny because I was able to get 1st edition all three days. First two days it took awhile, and a lot of patience. The 3rd day was easier. Bowman Sapphire was the impossible one for me. I could never get it to load into my cart. Where I’m coming from is, it’s luck based and even if you create 20 accounts, to better your odds, theres still no guarantees.

I’m pointing out the fact that there are going to be people who are going to sign up for these raffles and maybe never get chosen. Never. How are those people supposed to feel?

Yes, it’s better than first come, first serve in a bot world, but the raffle cannot be the idea moving forward.

One ticket for each ratfle per fee-based club membership (at a lower price point than MC). Anyone can register unlimited memberships but must pay the same fee tor each registration.

More tickets = pay more fees. That's how other companies prevent 100s of entries from one person.

Also, lottery wins get deliberately spread around, so that no single membership gets to purchase everything sold via raffle.

Doubt Topps can figure this out though. It's too complicated for them