2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Methinks NC will have a reply to jgil shortly.

Now is not the time. We'll have ourselves a look in November (before this thread closes).

I simply wanted it on the record so that when the virus tune changes in Canada and the U.S (which it inevitably will), we can revisit "leadership".

[kerg]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Same in the United States. Yea, there isn't a country as individualized, as ours is. It's called "Land of the Free" for a reason, getting 335 million Americans on the same page... never had a chance.

The mistake was thinking everyone needs to be on the same page and accepting that not everyone is going to be on the same page 100% of the time. There were things NY needed to do that places in North Dakota didn't need to do. Unfortunately it turned into "We are doing this, why aren't they!"

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Fauci is the expert not Trump during the same time frame that you are going back to Fauci said it wasnt an issue in the US.

So Trumps quote about the 15 people going to zero was fed to him by Fauci?

[Yanks23]

The reality that people dont want to see is that is a virus that spreads easily so no way to stop it from spreading just slow it down. The plan should have been all along to protect the high risk and rest of people do the "smart" things like wash hands, social distance, dont go to Walmart and Target everyday for cards !!! There was never going to be agreement across 50 different states and 2 parties that hate each other - if you believe this you live in fantasyland. There is no country with the size - land, population and personal freedoms that did a better job then US at this virus - please tell which country that is Canada doesnt count not even close to population or personal freedoms that US citizens take for granted.

The problem is that people in US have a ton of personal freedom so people are kidding themselves if they ever thought that you would get the vast majority of people to do all the right things. Even today you have people on both sides and all ages doing stupid crap everyday that get them or others inflected.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by wood minis

He has failed his one big test, leadership during a pandemic. Are things better now? For who?

Just so I'm understanding... since your answer to "How has Trump's presidency negatively impacted you?" is "botched Covid response," am I off-base in assuming that prior to Covid you felt like he was doing a fine job and that you have no other real complaints? Because the negativity about Trump has been going on from before he was even in office. I'm just trying to narrow down where the hatred comes from.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

The reality that people dont want to see is that is a virus that spreads easily so no way to stop it from spreading just slow it down. The plan should have been all along to protect the high risk and rest of people do the "smart" things like wash hands, social distance, dont go to Walmart and Target everyday for cards !!! There was never going to be agreement across 50 different states and 2 parties that hate each other - if you believe this you live in fantasyland. There is no country with the size - land, population and personal freedoms that did a better job then US at this virus - please tell which country that is Canada doesnt count not even close to population or personal freedoms that US citizens take for granted.

The problem is that people in US have a ton of personal freedom so people are kidding themselves if they ever thought that you would get the vast majority of people to do all the right things. Even today you have people on both sides and all ages doing stupid crap everyday that get them or others inflected.

Which is why you needed leadership to inspire as many people as possible to do the right thing, which gets back to my original point regarding our current leadership whose only interest is self-aggrandizement, not by the people for the people.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Just so I'm understanding... since your answer to "How has Trump's presidency negatively impacted you?" is "botched Covid response," am I off-base in assuming that prior to Covid you felt like he was doing a fine job and that you have no other real complaints? Because the negativity about Trump has been going on from before he was even in office. I'm just trying to narrow down where the hatred comes from.

As I've stated before in this thread, I've never been a Trump supporter. It was clear to me in the beginning when he ran for President that if he won his Presidency brought the risk of disaster. I've never felt that way before. His tendency to insult and his view on women was the biggest red flag to me. Hell, he made fun of a disabled person. Who does that?

I know folks are tired of politics as usual. I am too. But supporting this guy as the guy, I just don't get it on any level.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by wood minis

Which is why you needed leadership to inspire as many people as possible to do the right thing.

I very much doubt that there is anything that Trump could have said to inspire those that hated him prior to this. The only way that had the potential to happen is if Dem leadership came out and said "Time for politics is over, need to have one voice coming from down and if that means Trump is re-elected, so be it" and then see what happens. But, the chances of that happening are somewhere between the sun rising in the west and me sprouting wings.

You can say that Trump wasn't a leader, but he had no chance of being this leader you wanted in the current political climate. None.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by kerg

I very much doubt that there is anything that Trump could have said to inspire those that hated him prior to this. The only way that had the potential to happen is if Dem leadership came out and said "Time for politics is over, need to have one voice coming from down and if that means Trump is re-elected, so be it" and then see what happens. But, the chances of that happening are somewhere between the sun rising in the west and me sprouting wings.

You can say that Trump wasn't a leader, but he had no chance of being this leader you wanted in the current political climate. None.

I don't disagree with this. But I would have loved to see Trump give it a try.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Again - having my daughters get covid and being sick has bent my views.

I pray to god (or whoever you look to) that none of you have to deal with this at all. I mean that truthfully.

Covid sucks. Knowing people that get it or getting it yourself will mentally and emotionally skew your view on it.

However it does not change the scientific reality of it. Masks are effective. Social distancing is effective. Hand washing is effective. If you do those 3 things consistently when you can, there is very little chance you get it.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by wood minis

As I've stated before in this thread, I've never been a Trump supporter. It was clear to me in the beginning when he ran for President that if he won his Presidency brought the risk of disaster. I've never felt that way before. His tendency to insult and his view on women was the biggest red flag to me. Hell, he made fun of a disabled person. Who does that?

I know folks are tired of politics as usual. I am too. But supporting this guy as the guy, I just don't get it on any level.

That's fine. I'm really not trying to be antagonistic... I just see a lot of general negativity aimed at him without the kind of substance that would make me agree. I've never had much bad to say about any president, so I'm not playing favorites.

No disagreement that making fun of a handicapped person was in poor taste. I'd like to think he'd take that one back if he could. I'm not sure what his view on women is or was. If it's the "grab em in the P" comment, that means nothing to me. The way both women and men talk about sex and the opposite gender when there isn't an audience is consistent with that comment.

I think when you look at those who support him, you need to realize that there are limited options. It's Trump or Hilary and now Trump or Biden. And like I said, a lot of people I know personally have done very well over the past four years, all normal middle class folks.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

The reality that people dont want to see is that is a virus that spreads easily so no way to stop it from spreading just slow it down. The plan should have been all along to protect the high risk and rest of people do the "smart" things like wash hands, social distance, dont go to Walmart and Target everyday for cards !!! There was never going to be agreement across 50 different states and 2 parties that hate each other - if you believe this you live in fantasyland. There is no country with the size - land, population and personal freedoms that did a better job then US at this virus - please tell which country that is Canada doesnt count not even close to population or personal freedoms that US citizens take for granted.

The problem is that people in US have a ton of personal freedom so people are kidding themselves if they ever thought that you would get the vast majority of people to do all the right things. Even today you have people on both sides and all ages doing stupid crap everyday that get them or others inflected.

I am not sure what you mean in the bolded. What personal freedoms do you have that I don’t?

[NeedChapmans]

LOL, I could not have put a better picture up of how the DNC convention will go.

[NeedChapmans]

Still funny.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

LOL, I could not have put a better picture up of how the DNC convention will go.

I guess Cardi B wasn't available?

[Soxfanguy]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...es/5558640002/

Not Directing sick people away from nursing homes at this point is negligent homicide

[TheHeel]

President Trump hires the best people.

[hairysasquatch]

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-i...170026332.html

Can't wait for the resounding outpouring of collective joy and optimism that the election of President Harris will bring. Buy stock in Jack Daniels'!

Edit: realized that anyone scrolling through this thread on any given day over the past few weeks would see strong evidence of the CDC claim cited in article above.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by wood minis

On February 26, President Trump boasted that the coronavirus was about to disappear altogether from the United States. “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” What kind of leader is going to say this?

Trump is the President. Not Dr. Fauci. Why does the buck stop with Fauci and not Trump?

And what's his plan now?

The Left always complains that he isn't listening to the medical experts. Early on Fauci (medical expert) said it wouldn't be a big deal. That masks weren't necessary. He did listen. It just didn't work out the way anyone wanted.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

That's fine. I'm really not trying to be antagonistic... I just see a lot of general negativity aimed at him without the kind of substance that would make me agree. I've never had much bad to say about any president, so I'm not playing favorites.

No disagreement that making fun of a handicapped person was in poor taste. I'd like to think he'd take that one back if he could. I'm not sure what his view on women is or was. If it's the "grab em in the P" comment, that means nothing to me. The way both women and men talk about sex and the opposite gender when there isn't an audience is consistent with that comment.

I think when you look at those who support him, you need to realize that there are limited options. It's Trump or Hilary and now Trump or Biden. And like I said, a lot of people I know personally have done very well over the past four years, all normal middle class folks.

I'll give you a small example of his view regarding women that has nothing to do with sexuality. During press conferences, if he gets a tough question from a woman reporter, he generally says that's a nasty question or some derivation of that. He doesn't just ignore the question and move on. With SV Dáte, a man, who asked him about all of his lying, he simply moved on.

By looking at his personal history and his own words on the subject, I suspect in Trump's mind a woman is nothing more than a sex object and I find that to be objectionable. Why any woman would support him is a mystery to me unless of course they share that worldview.

I'm glad you and folks you know have done well over the past four years. I'm assuming you are referring to economic increases, but perhaps even more than that which would be good too.

I recognize that most Americans are fortunate in their lives. I have been as well. But Trump's lack of class and regular denigration ceremonies are unbeffitting the leader of our great Country. Folks can parse it however they want but that doesn't change who he is or what he says and does.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

The Left always complains that he isn't listening to the medical experts. Early on Fauci (medical expert) said it wouldn't be a big deal. That masks weren't necessary. He did listen. It just didn't work out the way anyone wanted.

Excellent point. No matter what Trump does or says, NO ONE self-identifying as a person of the Left is going to give him any credit, much less play along, NO MATTER WHAT. It is what it is. This is what make's Cuomo's bleating about the lack of "national leadership" so preposterous. AS IF Cuomo would have complied with any kind of national plan handed down from the White House.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

The Left always complains that he isn't listening to the medical experts. Early on Fauci (medical expert) said it wouldn't be a big deal. That masks weren't necessary. He did listen. It just didn't work out the way anyone wanted.

Can you direct me to the video where Fauci said early on it wouldn't be a big deal?

And what is the President's plan now?

[DegaBama]

I can't wait for Trump to win a Nobel Peace Prize.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Still funny.

LOL, between creepy Joe and this creep I hope she has hired security.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by wood minis

Can you direct me to the video where Fauci said early on it wouldn't be a big deal?

And what is the President's plan now?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/4787209002/

https://nj1015.com/is-dr-fauci-right...id-19-opinion/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fa...o-worry-about/

And then, of course, the no spread between humans that the WHO said.

You know what happened? Things changed. Even Trump says people should wear a mask.