2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[oldgoldy97]

I think if there was a mandatory “what do you believe in” test, many people would land in the opposite political party than they think they are in.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

It can be done, if you have a manager that is easy to work with. If not, it's nearly impossible. That manager won't last anyways.



More examples!



My wife worked at Meijer and JcPenney. Both understood she needed both jobs. She would work Meijer in the morning and JcPenney at night.

Lol, you think the manager situation will fix itself before you get your second jobs hours worked out?

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[techtre2003]

There are millions of people who have gone to college, who do bust their ass, who don’t just work at Wal-Mart or McDonalds, but still live basically check to check. One of the big reasons for that is taxes. Taxes before you even get your cut, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, hotel tax, licenses, tolls, utility tax, etc...
I don’t like subsidizing lazy people any more than the rest of you but I think we need to also look at how much we subsidize businesses as well. Is welfare for the poor somehow worse than corporate welfare?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

There are millions of people who have gone to college, who do bust their ass, who don’t just work at Wal-Mart or McDonalds, but still live basically check to check. One of the big reasons for that is taxes. Taxes before you even get your cut, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, hotel tax, licenses, tolls, utility tax, etc...
I don’t like subsidizing lazy people any more than the rest of you but I think we need to also look at how much we subsidize businesses as well. Is welfare for the poor somehow worse than corporate welfare?

My 401K says yes.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

There are millions of people who have gone to college, who do bust their ass, who don’t just work at Wal-Mart or McDonalds, but still live basically check to check. One of the big reasons for that is taxes. Taxes before you even get your cut, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, hotel tax, licenses, tolls, utility tax, etc...
I don’t like subsidizing lazy people any more than the rest of you but I think we need to also look at how much we subsidize businesses as well. Is welfare for the poor somehow worse than corporate welfare?

Corporate Socialism, it's been that way since we let them put money into politics

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

Lol, you think the manager situation will fix itself before you get your second jobs hours worked out?

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Nope, but that's when you start looking elsewhere anyways. If a place can't offer you full-time hours AND won't work with you on a schedule so you can go to school or a 2nd job, then you should probably not work there.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I don’t think socialism is the answer. Looks like you do. That’s fine.

Originally Posted by techtre2003

There are millions of people who have gone to college, who do bust their ass, who don’t just work at Wal-Mart or McDonalds, but still live basically check to check. One of the big reasons for that is taxes. Taxes before you even get your cut, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, hotel tax, licenses, tolls, utility tax, etc...
I don’t like subsidizing lazy people any more than the rest of you but I think we need to also look at how much we subsidize businesses as well. Is welfare for the poor somehow worse than corporate welfare?

I’ll put it this way...if rather subsidize the poor than Walmart, banks, the auto industry, etc.

We also have to subsidize a bunch of people because their employers don’t pay living wages meaning they qualify for government assisted healthcare and programs like food stamps. Again, Walmart s a huge offender on this.

[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

Ok you are right, just eat rocks or something.

You are almost there, now take all the money from the lifetime politicians and give to farmers so they can pay you $18hr to pick food in the California sunshine.

Also, you don’t want the current farm workers to make more money ?

Why not ?

Give farmers more money so the field workers can make more !

Demand it, March in the streets !

https://ufw.org/

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You think that giving more money to farm industry will actually pay workers more!

You really think that?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

You are hilarious!

Once Covid is over, take your act on the road.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Nope, but that's when you start looking elsewhere anyways. If a place can't offer you full-time hours AND won't work with you on a schedule so you can go to school or a 2nd job, then you should probably not work there.

So then you have no job?

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

So then you have no job?

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Do you like putting words in my mouth? How would you have no job? You can look for a job while working.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I am not going to deny it is doable. However in the richest country in the world it shouldn’t be so incredibly hard and terrible to do. That is my point overall. You shouldn’t have to live off Ramen And live on $300 a month after you pay all your bills If you work a full-time job

Umm, you don't.

People do not have to accept $10/hr for long. If an American has two arms, two legs, and half a brain, they can do better. There are lots of people who started with nothing and created something, on their own, with no help.

If you're not happy with something about your life, change it. That's what I did. There's still more I wish to change, and I know I can do that too if I work hard enough at it. Anything less is a cop-out.

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[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

You think that giving more money to farm industry will actually pay workers more!

You really think that?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

You are hilarious!

Once Covid is over, take your act on the road.

Well, that’s where you would, as a unionized farmers group, make a deal where the lowest amount paid for a worker is X amount...viola !

They can do what they want with the rest of it if there is any left.

That’s why there is a farmers union...so apparently for now they are satisfied with current wages to the point they are on strike.

See how that works.

You hold the power as a work force together.

Why do you think workers unionize ?

So they can get screwed like a non unionized Wally World worker ?


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[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Do you like putting words in my mouth? How would you have no job? You can look for a job while working.

Yes

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[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Umm, you don't.

People do not have to accept $10/hr for long. If an American has two arms, two legs, and half a brain, they can do better. There are lots of people who started with nothing and created something, on their own, with no help.

If you're not happy with something about your life, change it. That's what I did. There's still more I wish to change, and I know I can do that too if I work hard enough at it. Anything less is a cop-out.

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No America is bad unjust and unfair, it isn’t the absolute easiest place in the world to live and make something of yourself !


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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

Yes

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Well, then that's okay.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

No America is bad unjust and unfair, it isn’t the absolute easiest place in the world to live and make something of yourself !


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I know right! Someone should let the millions of immigrants dying to get into the USA know this.

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Congrats. I said they shouldn’t. I didn’t say they aren’t.

Good thing you’re on the other side of the wall. Stay up there, eh?

No worries there. I don't have a passport or a desire to apply. Last time I was in the USA I was in Detroit. Once crowned the richest city in the world! Unfortunately, it has been downhill ever since.

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

Breaking: Clark tested negative for being American
Thought that was good for a laugh too

And every morning I wake up, I thank god!

[BTownCards]

Get in there and pick fruit and veggies, pays more than selling them at Wally World.

Tops out at $18.50



Tops out at $14 (pharmacy tech$18)

Via payscale.com


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[ckjr4929]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I can't speak on everyone, I don't know everyone. Every, single, person has a different situation.

I worked odd jobs to make ends meet until I finally decided to get a degree. Did it all on my own. Unfortunately, been furloughed for a while but brought back this weekend to work. Pay has been cut dramatically but I am hopeful.

One brother went one way, one went the other. Life.

I am a very occasional lurker in this thread, but what you wrote here resonated with me.

Your story is my story as well...except that I grew up in a high cost of living state, New Jersey. I moved out of an abusive household when I was 18 with basically no money and started working the same kinds of jobs I imagine you did. Retail, labor (mostly warehouses), food service. I delivered newspapers for most of one shitty year which was probably the worst of them.

The low pay / odd jobs barely managed to cover my rent for an illegal basement apartment (shared with a roommate) and gas in my (beater) car. Part of it was the cost of living in NJ (even though I grew up almost 2 hours from both NYC and Philly) but mostly it was that $8-12/hour didn't go that far. I got stuck in a cycle of needing the next paycheck to afford groceries and rent and my car. You really need a car in most parts of NJ, the one I grew up in especially, and car insurance is expensive here because of how many cars are on the roads.

On multiple occasions, over the course of a few weeks or months, I would save up a couple hundred bucks or even close to a thousand. Then something would go wrong and those savings would disappear. Usually it was in one or two big chunks, like a car repair (which is the problem with buying beater cars) or medical expense, nothing major but necessities like contact lenses or dental work. There was a year or so where I so I walked to work or took the bus or got rides because I couldn't scrape together the money for a car repair. These things have a real cost over time, not just a financial one but mental.

Every tiny mistake like getting my hours cut for one week or spending too much at the grocery store or God forbid going out for one lousy night would set me back into the next month. When I was in my mid-20s, through sheer luck, I found slightly higher paying jobs in sales where I made $15/hr or so. Maybe if I had stayed on that path, I would have a different perspective today. But around the same time, I started getting serious about my education, and I chose to pursue education over the $15/hour job that may or may not have paid much more if I got a couple promotions.

In hindsight, I might have been better off getting as far away from New Jersey as I could when I was 18, but it took all of the limited financial power I had to move out when I did. I suppose I could have left the state with nothing but the clothes in my back and never returned. Obviously some people make that choice. But I have a younger sibling and I wanted to make sure she was okay.

Education is one path out of this cycle, and I took classes part-time for years while working the jobs I mentioned. It took a while to get serious about it but over time, I got an Associate's degree, then a Bachelor's. I needed tens of thousands in debt to get those degrees, debt which I am still paying back today. I'm fortunate that after five years of payments, my new beater car (a 2006) is finally paid off and still runs. That car got me through my Bachelor's and even my Master's degree, which is more than I ever could have expected and one of the first incidences where I truly recognized the good luck I have had.

My current day job is not lucrative, even with my Master's it barely pays more than the $15/hour sales job I had years ago. Most in my field make <$40,000/year with few benefits, and I certainly would have more financial comfort if I had gone to a trade school or gotten a degree in another field, but I love my job anyway.

I don't mention any of this because I want your or anyone's sympathy. I was lucky in ways that many others aren't -- good health and very strong support from friends and mentors even if my family support lacked. Not to mention the same hobby that brings us all here, one which has made me a lot of extra money over the years (especially during this pandemic).

But the margin of error is so slim for so many people who work even 60 or 80 hours a week, and getting out of that cycle is not always as simple as get another job or get a degree. Yet the consequences of not breaking free from that cycle are staggering.

Like you, I've lost family members to addiction and mental health issues. For me, it's hard not to see their struggles as something which is in part created by a lot of what is broken in our country right now -- a lack of good health care (especially mental health) and income inequality in particular.

I went one way and some of my family members went another. Obviously some people make bad decisions. But if you live in the US in 2020 and haven't had to deal with years of financial hardship from low-paying jobs, medical bills or unaffordable housing, consider yourself lucky. That's the story of too many people, and unless these things change systemically, it will become more and more normalized.

But maybe that's necessary, because people rarely change their minds about something until it starts to affect them or someone close to them.

I wish you (and everyone else in this thread) all the best as far as your job and health and now it's back to lurking for me.

[Jopeal]

BTownCards being a pro-Union socialist is my favorite twist of the day thus far.

Between him & Alvarez, this thread has really been taking an exciting turn.
The suspensions have been rough though.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

What are your ideas? The greatest economy we had in our country also had the highest taxes. It allowed us to take on a huge project like the interstate highway system, which is something we could never accomplish today.

Again, unless there are a bunch of multimillionaires in here, the taxes I want imposed would impact literally none of you. Why you shill for the megarich when you will likely never be in that group is simply beyond me.

Check my post history. I can’t rehash all of my brilliance every time someone new steps in and says nothing. You didn’t address anything in my post. In fact, based on your response, you didn’t understand my post.

[BTownCards]

Please explain in detail how paying field workers more money is bad.

Not the owners, there salary will be locked in.

THE LABORER WORKING MAN OR WOMAN who makes the minimum.

Go !


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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by ckjr4929

I am a very occasional lurker in this thread, but what you wrote here resonated with me.

Your story is my story as well...except that I grew up in a high cost of living state, New Jersey. I moved out of an abusive household when I was 18 with basically no money and started working the same kinds of jobs I imagine you did. Retail, labor (mostly warehouses), food service. I delivered newspapers for most of one shitty year which was probably the worst of them.

The low pay / odd jobs barely managed to cover my rent for an illegal basement apartment (shared with a roommate) and gas in my (beater) car. Part of it was the cost of living in NJ (even though I grew up almost 2 hours from both NYC and Philly) but mostly it was that $8-12/hour didn't go that far. I got stuck in a cycle of needing the next paycheck to afford groceries and rent and my car. You really need a car in most parts of NJ, the one I grew up in especially, and car insurance is expensive here because of how many cars are on the roads.

On multiple occasions, over the course of a few weeks or months, I would save up a couple hundred bucks or even close to a thousand. Then something would go wrong and those savings would disappear. Usually it was in one or two big chunks, like a car repair (which is the problem with buying beater cars) or medical expense, nothing major but necessities like contact lenses or dental work. There was a year or so where I so I walked to work or took the bus or got rides because I couldn't scrape together the money for a car repair. These things have a real cost over time, not just a financial one but mental.

Every tiny mistake like getting my hours cut for one week or spending too much at the grocery store or God forbid going out for one lousy night would set me back into the next month. When I was in my mid-20s, through sheer luck, I found slightly higher paying jobs in sales where I made $15/hr or so. Maybe if I had stayed on that path, I would have a different perspective today. But around the same time, I started getting serious about my education, and I chose to pursue education over the $15/hour job that may or may not have paid much more if I got a couple promotions.

In hindsight, I might have been better off getting as far away from New Jersey as I could when I was 18, but it took all of the limited financial power I had to move out when I did. I suppose I could have left the state with nothing but the clothes in my back and never returned. Obviously some people make that choice. But I have a younger sibling and I wanted to make sure she was okay.

Education is one path out of this cycle, and I took classes part-time for years while working the jobs I mentioned. It took a while to get serious about it but over time, I got an Associate's degree, then a Bachelor's. I needed tens of thousands in debt to get those degrees, debt which I am still paying back today. I'm fortunate that after five years of payments, my new beater car (a 2006) is finally paid off and still runs. That car got me through my Bachelor's and even my Master's degree, which is more than I ever could have expected and one of the first incidences where I truly recognized the good luck I have had.

My current day job is not lucrative, even with my Master's it barely pays more than the $15/hour sales job I had years ago. Most in my field make <$40,000/year with few benefits, and I certainly would have more financial comfort if I had gone to a trade school or gotten a degree in another field, but I love my job anyway.

I don't mention any of this because I want your or anyone's sympathy. I was lucky in ways that many others aren't -- good health and very strong support from friends and mentors even if my family support lacked. Not to mention the same hobby that brings us all here, one which has made me a lot of extra money over the years (especially during this pandemic).

But the margin of error is so slim for so many people who work even 60 or 80 hours a week, and getting out of that cycle is not always as simple as get another job or get a degree. Yet the consequences of not breaking free from that cycle are staggering.

Like you, I've lost family members to addiction and mental health issues. For me, it's hard not to see their struggles as something which is in part created by a lot of what is broken in our country right now -- a lack of good health care (especially mental health) and income inequality in particular.

I went one way and some of my family members went another. Obviously some people make bad decisions. But if you live in the US in 2020 and haven't had to deal with years of financial hardship from low-paying jobs, medical bills or unaffordable housing, consider yourself lucky. That's the story of too many people, and unless these things change systemically, it will become more and more normalized.

But maybe that's necessary, because people rarely change their minds about something until it starts to affect them or someone close to them.

I wish you (and everyone else in this thread) all the best as far as your job and health and now it's back to lurking for me.

Thanks for sharing. Great read and great post. I was fortunate to live somewhere where cost was low, but I did it all on my own as well to get where I am at, today. It can be done, and it isn't easy.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

This gave me a chuckle.


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Not my flavor of funny, but to each his own.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

If I was a socialist I would be saying the opposite.

Stop funding and helping the people who feed us.

Check how the Chinese Government keeps all money and that’s who writes your check, not joe farmer.

C’mon bird, how does me advocating for more farmer funding to pay workers a higher wages make me a socialist ? I’m literally saying slash government spending on politicians and implement it into American owned and operated businesses.

Whew lad


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You gave the textbook definition of socialism yourself and you want more proof? Just because it’s socialism you like doesn’t mean it’s not socialism.

And it’s hilarious you’re using an industry that’s already heavily subsidized for your example. This isn’t 1985 anymore, Mr. Mellencamp.