2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

And I know plenty of people who went to school and are in education. They went to a state school and still ended up 30-50K in debt. Then they couldn't find a job and had to move to a state that pays less, or a higher cost of living area. Some started making under 30K a year. Some make 50K a year or so but are in the DC metro so are struggling. They did everything right in getting a degree in a high demand profession and still can struggle to make ends meet.

After I graduated it took me 4-5 years to get a job worthwhile (business degree, nothing obscure). In the meantime I framed houses during the week and cooked on the weekends. I spent seven years of my 20s working every single weekend. I was also a single father throughout this time. I could’ve pursued a career path more aggressively, but waited for the right opportunity to open up once I figured out what I wanted to do. Times certainly weren’t always gravy.

$50k is a fraction of the debt I graduated with. Granted, I made a lot of wrong moves. My parents didn’t go to college, so they weren’t exactly experts on what to do, and I was under the impression I’d graduate college and make $80k easy right out of the gate. I had little understanding of personal finances. It’s why I think it should be mandatory in high school to take a personal finance course. A little early education can help avoid some of the struggles we put ourselves through due to our own ignorance. It certainly would’ve helped me. I see my missteps as teaching tools for my own children.

Life isn’t meant to be easy, but it isn’t impossible either. Look how easily people are making money flipping sports cards. All while I’m being told that getting ahead is some insurmountable task. I don’t buy it.

[Jgil316]

SNL last night was comedy gold - they nailed it.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by jdandns

What planet are you on?



When the President's political enemies have died (Senator McCain & Congressman Dingell, to name just two), Trump's repeatedly "joked" they went to Hell, out loud, into microphones so that their still grieving families could hear it.



Be assured that whatever the worst thing in terms of ill-wishes you have heard made towards the President, Trump himself, his wife, and all those in his circle regularly say far, far worse. How many more recordings do you need?

So you are no better than Trump. Got it. Another lesson I learned from my parents at around 5 years old. "Two wrongs don't make a right". It is more clear with every post from the left in here that parenting is a huge part of the problem.

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[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

After I graduated it took me 4-5 years to get a job worthwhile (business degree, nothing obscure). In the meantime I framed houses during the week and cooked on the weekends. I spent seven years of my 20s working every single weekend. I was also a single father throughout this time. I could’ve pursued a career path more aggressively, but waited for the right opportunity to open up once I figured out what I wanted to do. Times certainly weren’t always gravy.

$50k is a fraction of the debt I graduated with. Granted, I made a lot of wrong moves. My parents didn’t go to college, so they weren’t exactly experts on what to do, and I was under the impression I’d graduate college and make $80k easy right out of the gate. I had little understanding of personal finances. It’s why I think it should be mandatory in high school to take a personal finance course. A little early education can help avoid some of the struggles we put ourselves through due to our own ignorance. It certainly would’ve helped me. I see my missteps as teaching tools for my own children.

Life isn’t meant to be easy, but it isn’t impossible either. Look how easily people are making money flipping sports cards. All while I’m being told that getting ahead is some insurmountable task. I don’t buy it.

So firstly, i don't think a board that deals with a fairly expensive hobby is going to be representative. Likely most people on here have at least some disposable income and have done fairly well.

Second, it is possible, but it is needlessly harder than it should be and used to be since we have stacked the system to transfer wealth to corporations and the mega rich.

I think of my grandparents. One was a milkman the other a mailman. They both had three children, both bought houses in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, both put their children through college, both were able to retire at a normal age, the milkman was able to save enough money while doing all this to buy his own business a beer distributor. This was in the 50's to 70's.

Today, you could not possibly accomplish that. You cannot do a family of 5 on a single income of a postman or milkman.

That is my issue. Wages have stagnated while the cost of living has exploded. You shouldn't have to work 80 hours a week simply to live and support your family. This idea that corporations and the very rich need more and more tax breaks so they can reinvest is undeniably false because it doesn't happen. Especially starting in the 80's we have seen the justification for these tax cuts over and over, yet all it has done is redistribute wealth in this country to the rich.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/

https://www.cbpp.org/research/povert...ome-inequality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth...ted_States.png

I could link an almost infinite amount of charts and studies.

I simply don't understand why we continue to support a system that is basically rigged to benefit the very richest few people.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

So you are no better than Trump. Got it. Another lesson I learned from my parents at around 5 years old. "Two wrongs don't make a right". It is more clear with every post from the left in here that parenting is a huge part of the problem.

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Key difference, he isn't the president and he isn't Joe Biden. There is a big difference between some rando on the internet doing it and the leader of your party. If Trump dies ad Nancy Pelosi starts mocking him, have at it.

[DegaBama]

Biden leads grows because of his temperament.

Too many people care about that as oppose to policies, it is wild.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Biden leads grows because of his temperament.

Too many people care about that as oppose to policies, it is wild.

If by temperament you mean his racism, bigotry, and sexism, yes that should be important. If you ignore the fact that he is all those things and support him anyways it makes you an enabler of those things.

Also, Trump's policies are horrendous. He killed probably 100000 Americans with his response to COVID, where a better national response could have saved a ton of lives.

Backing out of the Paris accords is appalling.

HIs economic policies have helped the rich and stockholders, who are basically the same people, and done absolutely nothing for everyday Americans.

He wants to curtail the rights of women, LGBTQ, and minority communities. He staunchly opposes any sort of police reform.

For four years all we have heard is "I have a healthcare plan to replace Obamacare." What is it? Where is it?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

If by temperament you mean his racism, bigotry, and sexism, yes that should be important. If you ignore the fact that he is all those things and support him anyways it makes you an enabler of those things.

Also, Trump's policies are horrendous. He killed probably 100000 Americans with his response to COVID, where a better national response could have saved a ton of lives.

Backing out of the Paris accords is appalling.

HIs economic policies have helped the rich and stockholders, who are basically the same people, and done absolutely nothing for everyday Americans.

He wants to curtail the rights of women, LGBTQ, and minority communities. He staunchly opposes any sort of police reform.

For four years all we have heard is "I have a healthcare plan to replace Obamacare." What is it? Where is it?

How would have Biden saved 100,000 lives?

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

So firstly, i don't think a board that deals with a fairly expensive hobby is going to be representative. Likely most people on here have at least some disposable income and have done fairly well.

Second, it is possible, but it is needlessly harder than it should be and used to be since we have stacked the system to transfer wealth to corporations and the mega rich.

I think of my grandparents. One was a milkman the other a mailman. They both had three children, both bought houses in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, both put their children through college, both were able to retire at a normal age, the milkman was able to save enough money while doing all this to buy his own business a beer distributor. This was in the 50's to 70's.

Today, you could not possibly accomplish that. You cannot do a family of 5 on a single income of a postman or milkman.

That is my issue. Wages have stagnated while the cost of living has exploded. You shouldn't have to work 80 hours a week simply to live and support your family. This idea that corporations and the very rich need more and more tax breaks so they can reinvest is undeniably false because it doesn't happen. Especially starting in the 80's we have seen the justification for these tax cuts over and over, yet all it has done is redistribute wealth in this country to the rich.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/

https://www.cbpp.org/research/povert...ome-inequality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth...ted_States.png

I could link an almost infinite amount of charts and studies.

I simply don't understand why we continue to support a system that is basically rigged to benefit the very richest few people.

Again I will say this for the third time. All these things you are trying to accomplish here already exist in other countries. Feel free to move to any one of them. Many have successfully taxed everyone up to 50% so they can offer free school and healthcare and support the poor. We have this great system here where people vote for what they want. The majority has spoken and this is the system we have. Like it or leave it. Complaining about it on a hobby forum is not going to change anything. You are not changing any minds in here. If you think Biden is going to come in like a white knight and change this system you are also going to be very disappointed. If Clinton and Obama didn't change it then their crony Biden certainly won't.

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[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Excellent book. Be warned, the author is pals with Trump!

There are books on how to do all kinds of things. There are tutorials online. I’ve learned so much just from reading and then applying what I had read.

Google: “books on how to make money” or “how to do ‘task x’”
Read the book.
Start trying.

Other generally helpful books I’d recommend are Think and Grow Rich, and my favorite, How to Win Friends and Influence People. The second one isn’t as straight forward as the name says. It’s a book on effective communication using examples from some of the most prominent figures in the 1800s and early 1900s.

I believe developing a robust skill set is incredibly important. If you’re stuck doing some mindless job at Walmart, try harder in life. Learn how to fix stuff around the house. Learn how to fix cars. Do things for free just for the sake of the knowledge. Hang out with friends who have skills that you don’t.

You gotta want this sh** if you’re ever going to turn a mediocre life into something more, and you’ll end up a better person for it. I spent years getting nowhere. A healthy dose of struggle isn’t a bad thing. Suffering builds character.

What specifically was great about RDPD? I read it about 20 years ago and thought it is was vague and incorrect. I almost stopped reading when he said track of houses instead of tract. He also claimed you could write off business expenses that everyone knows you can’t and that home mortgages are callable. T t hard from what I can remember.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

If by temperament you mean his racism, bigotry, and sexism, yes that should be important. If you ignore the fact that he is all those things and support him anyways it makes you an enabler of those things.



Also, Trump's policies are horrendous. He killed probably 100000 Americans with his response to COVID, where a better national response could have saved a ton of lives.



Backing out of the Paris accords is appalling.



HIs economic policies have helped the rich and stockholders, who are basically the same people, and done absolutely nothing for everyday Americans.



He wants to curtail the rights of women, LGBTQ, and minority communities. He staunchly opposes any sort of police reform.



For four years all we have heard is "I have a healthcare plan to replace Obamacare." What is it? Where is it?

"you ain't black if you don't vote for me" (paraphrase) Joe Biden.

There are about 20 other quotes like this one that were posted in this thread. So Biden is no different than Trump. The lefts defense is "well he ain't as bad as Trump" Yeah that's a good reason to vote for Biden. If you vote for Biden on his policies or platform I can respect that. If you think he is a better person than Trump and that's a reason to vote for him then you are confused.

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[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Sorry, I find the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" crowd to be insufferable. It is simplifying an extraordinarily complex issue, and far too often is used as a blanket statement to call anyone that is struggling lazy.

Oh my......You calling someone else insufferable may be the strangest thing ever posted in this thread,

[AwesomeBrian]

The next time Steve Cortes preps for an on-air interview will be the first time

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Again I will say this for the third time. All these things you are trying to accomplish here already exist in other countries. Feel free to move to any one of them. Many have successfully taxed everyone up to 50% so they can offer free school and healthcare and support the poor. We have this great system here where people vote for what they want. The majority has spoken and this is the system we have. Like it or leave it. Complaining about it on a hobby forum is not going to change anything. You are not changing any minds in here. If you think Biden is going to come in like a white knight and change this system you are also going to be very disappointed. If Clinton and Obama didn't change it then their crony Biden certainly won't.

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Typical flippant, nonsensical response. As far as the "majority have spoken and this is what they want" no it isn't.

https://fortune.com/2019/02/04/suppo...mericans-poll/

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public...care-coverage/

https://www.studyinternational.com/n...llege-tuition/

The republican party has consistently ignored what the majority of this country wants. Hopefully in the next 10-20 years your America built around greed dies.

Edit: Oh, and the majority spoke in the last presidential election...they didn't get the person they voted for. Now i will wait for you to explain to me why it is so important for someone's vote in California to be worth 3 times less than someone that lives in Wyoming.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Typical flippant, nonsensical response. As far as the "majority have spoken and this is what they want" no it isn't.

https://fortune.com/2019/02/04/suppo...mericans-poll/

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public...care-coverage/

https://www.studyinternational.com/n...llege-tuition/

The republican party has consistently ignored what the majority of this country wants. Hopefully in the next 10-20 years your America built around greed dies.

Edit: Oh, and the majority spoke in the last presidential election...they didn't get the person they voted for. Now i will wait for you to explain to me why it is so important for someone's vote in California to be worth 3 times less than someone that lives in Wyoming.

A lot of them don't understand the consequences of getting what they want. Enjoy paying more in taxes than ever before if all the things that you want, happen.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Now i will wait for you to explain to me why it is so important for someone's vote in California to be worth 3 times less than someone that lives in Wyoming.

Sorry, I’m not following this. I need help understanding this statement.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

A lot of them don't understand the consequences of getting what they want. Enjoy paying more in taxes than ever before if all the things that you want, happen.

I would happily pay more in taxes if it meant the money would go to the right place, haha. Somehow, I can envision it getting siphoned off by corrupt individuals, no-bid contracts, $60 million studies about cow farts, ineffective walls...all that.

I don't trust the government to spend my money responsibly. I'd rather keep as much as I can.

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[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

A lot of them don't understand the consequences of getting what they want. Enjoy paying more in taxes than ever before if all the things that you want, happen.

First off, most of us would have increased taxes, but the majority of the higher tax burden goes to the rich.

Second, if you are paying 500-1000 dollars a month for a family health plan and that becomes free and you pay 200 dollars a month more in taxes, you know what that is? A net gain!

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I would happily pay more in taxes if it meant the money would go to the right place, haha. Somehow, I can envision it getting siphoned off by corrupt individuals, no-bid contracts, $60 million studies about cow farts, ineffective walls...all that.

I don't trust the government to spend my money responsibly. I'd rather keep as much as I can.

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That'd be the day haha.

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

First off, most of us would have increased taxes, but the majority of the higher tax burden goes to the rich.

Second, if you are paying 500-1000 dollars a month for a family health plan and that becomes free and you pay 200 dollars a month more in taxes, you know what that is? A net gain!

Why is someone paying that much?

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Typical flippant, nonsensical response. As far as the "majority have spoken and this is what they want" no it isn't.

https://fortune.com/2019/02/04/suppo...mericans-poll/

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public...care-coverage/

https://www.studyinternational.com/n...llege-tuition/

The republican party has consistently ignored what the majority of this country wants. Hopefully in the next 10-20 years your America built around greed dies.

Edit: Oh, and the majority spoke in the last presidential election...they didn't get the person they voted for. Now i will wait for you to explain to me why it is so important for someone's vote in California to be worth 3 times less than someone that lives in Wyoming.

We are the United States of America and our states are separate entities. It is unacceptable to smaller states to have their affairs decided by other states simply because more people live there.
Apply this to the entire world. Would it be ok if China, with it's 1.5 billion population, and India. 1.4 billion controlled the world or would we want a level playing field?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Sorry, I’m not following this. I need help understanding this statement.

Electoral votes vs population.

Or were you being facetious?

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I would happily pay more in taxes if it meant the money would go to the right place, haha. Somehow, I can envision it getting siphoned off by corrupt individuals, no-bid contracts, $60 million studies about cow farts, ineffective walls...all that.

I don't trust the government to spend my money responsibly. I'd rather keep as much as I can.

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Serious question. Do you trust corrupt large corporations to spend that money in the right place? I could make the exact same arguments about tax cuts for the very rich and corporations.

Not one of you have addressed the massive redistribution of wealth the last 40 years.

https://equitablegrowth.org/the-dist...net-worth-tax/

Again, you advocate tax cuts, but for the vast majority of Americans it does not benefit them. You may be doing well, but in most cases all of us are just less poor while the very rich continue to accumulate more wealth.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Timmay

We are the United States of America and our states are separate entities. It is unacceptable to smaller states to have their affairs decided by other states simply because more people live there.
Apply this to the entire world. Would it be ok if China, with it's 1.5 billion population, and India. 1.4 billion controlled the world or would we want a level playing field?

Sounds socialist.

Participation trophies for everyone.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Electoral votes vs population.

Or were you being facetious?

No, genuinely curious. I know CA has much higher electoral college votes than Wyoming, so I was curious what the basis for the statement was.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

That'd be the day haha.



Why is someone paying that much?

So, in the span of two days you have told me that it is easy to live on 10 dollars an hour and you don't understand why someone may pay 500 dollars a month for a family healthcare plan.

Again, these sorts of statements show how incredibly out of touch you are.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/here...alth-care.html