2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

-Extreme conservatives probably yes.

I finding possibly I’m more of a right leaning centrist.

I mean if that’s what paying a decent wage to essential hard working people (preferably legal citizens & seasonal workers) means and not to proliferate a countries government who uses basically slave labor.

Idk I’m crazy !


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So do you want to beat out China or pay reasonable wages? You can't play both sides of the fence when you opponent doesn't play by the rules. I'm struggling to understand you.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

Thank the lord you didn’t get that student loan, you most likely would be in debt and indoctrinated by a radical professor.


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I could then be part of the crowd that whines about their student loans not being forgiven. The amount of people that want something for nothing doesn’t surprise me. The amount of people that honestly expect it, however does.

[imbluestreak23]

Most Americans are W2 employees and they are complaining about taxes.

And 99.9% of them haven’t read a basic money book like Rich Dad Poor Dad.

America is just “ignorant” when it comes to a lot of things

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Most Americans are W2 employees and they are complaining about taxes.

And 99.9% of them haven’t read a basic money book like Rich Dad Poor Dad.

America is just “ignorant” when it comes to a lot of things

RDPD doesn’t even qualify as a basic money book.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Onions

My 14 year old daughter gets $40 to mow our neighbors lawn. I thought they were crazy giving her that much. Takes her about 45 minutes including trimming. I had to buy her a mower and battery powered trimmer, but it has been the best investment I could have made. She insisted on paying off the cost of the mower and now owns it. $1400 in her savings account right now and is saving for a car. Proud father right here!

That's awesome Onions!!!!!!!! And teaching her about the value of money, work, responsibility, etc.....

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Maybe you should just stop posting then



https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/



Once again....

Translation.....you got nothing.

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[yanksfan1]

https://twitter.com/saraecook/status...18794728755200

So they knew Hicks was positive and Trump and Co. still went to the fundraiser and didn't test him until they got back? Seems irresponsible

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by mike1498

So do you want to beat out China or pay reasonable wages? You can't play both sides of the fence when you opponent doesn't play by the rules. I'm struggling to understand you.

I want to answer your question but can you be more specific on what it is ?

Beat out China ?

In importing and exporting Ag ?

https://www.agprofessional.com/artic...export-records

Porks up, soys up, cottons up...

It’s not even close. With their recent pork failures along with massive crop failures I’d imagine they will be playing nice until they get a good streak of crops in.

I’d rather not take their (our) money...but people need to eat and I’m not trying to starve out any humans especially civilians. Their government I would like to starve out though.

Here’s something to think about, US is the almighty consumer. Not to big of a fan on that really I feel we do buy more than we need. I know my son has way too many toys hahah. I try not to buy ones with China on it, very hard.

You can’t make people buy closets full of crap like we do here in the states, bottom line. Not sure if that’s what all those ghost cities were for or what...


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[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

I could then be part of the crowd that whines about their student loans not being forgiven. The amount of people that want something for nothing doesn’t surprise me. The amount of people that honestly expect it, however does.

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[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

You can be a manager at Walmart and barely make 15 an hour. Even when you get a promotion you are still stuck in a cycle of poverty.

What? Where are you even getting this info from? USA Today said in 2019 that the average full time worker makes 14.26 per hour. And that's the average employee. Store manager makes 175k the article said

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[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

What? Where are you even getting this info from? USA Today said in 2019 that the average full time worker makes 14.26 per hour. And that's the average employee. Store manager makes 175k the article said



edit...looks like someone already responded

Yeah he is a little out of touch. He has been spouting off nonsense in here for about 24hrs. Likely just trying to ruffle some feathers.

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[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Yeah he is a little out of touch. He has been spouting off nonsense in here for about 24hrs. Likely just trying to ruffle some feathers.

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since im working nights right now I try to check on this thread where I left off the night before. there is so much back and forth between topics that by the time I finish the subject has already changed. I just wanted to comment on that b/c my grandma started off working at Walmart way back when and worked her way up to a manager position.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

What? Where are you even getting this info from? USA Today said in 2019 that the average full time worker makes 14.26 per hour. And that's the average employee. Store manager makes 175k the article said

edit...looks like someone already responded

Department manager.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Depa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I simply love when you guys point to the one job in a place that pays well and say "see, just do that!" Now explain to me how everyone becomes a store manager?

I work for a huge bank in sales. My years raies are basically 1.5 percent while the bank netted 6 billion plus dollars last year. I have applied to 10 internal positions in the last year and 7 of the 10 couldn't even get an interview as generally there are 30-50 applicants for most positions, and even with moving positions most of the raises I would have received were 5% at most.

Furthermore, I will ask again, if everyone gets promoted as is so often the claim I hear to make more money or better yourself, someone still has to do the job the person is leaving...not to mention that there aren't an infinite number of promotions available.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Yeah he is a little out of touch. He has been spouting off nonsense in here for about 24hrs. Likely just trying to ruffle some feathers.

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Nah, maybe try not to fall for lies.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Depa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I'd also argue that the people that are out of touch are the ones arguing you can easily live on 10 dollars an hour, that everyone simply can "get a better job," and continuing the claim that big corporations need massive tax breaks because those tax breaks get reinvested into their employees are the ones that are out of touch, not me.

[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Department manager.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Depa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I simply love when you guys point to the one job in a place that pays well and say "see, just do that!" Now explain to me how everyone becomes a store manager?

so department manager makes same as regular full time employee? or you saying USA Today is wrong and I should trust glassdoor.com?

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

so department manager makes same as regular full time employee? or you saying USA Today is wrong and I should trust glassdoor.com?

Why don't you show me that USA today article that says department manager are making 100K+ a year at walmart. Do you really expect me to believe the person managing the deli at Walmart makes 6 figures?

BTW, it is not at all atypical in most corporate setting for managers to make only minimally more than their employees. I know at our bank's call center front line employees make 15-20 an hour or so based on their tenure, and manager MAYBE 25 an hour?

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

so department manager makes same as regular full time employee? or you saying USA Today is wrong and I should trust glassdoor.com?

Here, I found this. It looks like they start at 18-21 an hour and it has changed just in the last few weeks.

https://corporate.walmart.com/newsro...-of-the-future

That is decent, but still in a management position at the highest starting pay 43K a year.

Is that a decent wage, yes...however I would have to imagine once you hit a department manager position at Walmart growth potential really grinds to a halt as branch off to store manager, regional manager, etc is going to have a huge amount of competition.

I think overall the fact that we consider 43K a year a good wage is a problem in and of itself. IN some areas it still is extremely tough to get by on that, and again, for every ten employees at Walmart making that you have 100 who are making less and knowing how Walmart operates struggling to get full time hours.

The problem is for low skilled workers is that Walmart has replaced the steel mills and manufacturing jobs, and Walmart doesn't even compare to what the mills paid.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Finally...we agree on something!!!

There's still plenty we see differently, but we've gotta start somewhere. Personal responsibility is a good place to do that.

One foot in front of the other gets you where you're going. I had zero help. Nobody helped me with tuition, rent, food, or anything else. All I had was opportunity, the same as every able-bodied American. Heck, I'm not even all that smart.

I feel for struggling people. Most of the time I want to help. But I don't buy excuses from able-bodied Americans. I just don't.

And I know plenty of people who went to school and are in education. They went to a state school and still ended up 30-50K in debt. Then they couldn't find a job and had to move to a state that pays less, or a higher cost of living area. Some started making under 30K a year. Some make 50K a year or so but are in the DC metro so are struggling. They did everything right in getting a degree in a high demand profession and still can struggle to make ends meet.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

If I was a socialist I would be saying the opposite.

Stop funding and helping the people who feed us.

Check how the Chinese Government keeps all money and that’s who writes your check, not joe farmer.

C’mon bird, how does me advocating for more farmer funding to pay workers a higher wages make me a socialist ? I’m literally saying slash government spending on politicians and implement it into American owned and operated businesses.

Whew lad


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You are basically saying you are a socialist.

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

That's awesome Onions!!!!!!!! And teaching her about the value of money, work, responsibility, etc.....

American owned and operated !


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[coltsnsox07]

I can't get reported for posting this here instead of the NSFW section, haha eat it!!!
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[trixstar]

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201...abusing-office

Rotten to the core

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Department manager.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Depa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I simply love when you guys point to the one job in a place that pays well and say "see, just do that!" Now explain to me how everyone becomes a store manager?

I work for a huge bank in sales. My years raies are basically 1.5 percent while the bank netted 6 billion plus dollars last year. I have applied to 10 internal positions in the last year and 7 of the 10 couldn't even get an interview as generally there are 30-50 applicants for most positions, and even with moving positions most of the raises I would have received were 5% at most.

Furthermore, I will ask again, if everyone gets promoted as is so often the claim I hear to make more money or better yourself, someone still has to do the job the person is leaving...not to mention that there aren't an infinite number of promotions available.

They hire from outside probably, try applying at another company. They will most likely pick you up if the timing is right. Some companies like to hire outside and not promote within.

Hope you get the promotion, sounds like you are apparently loyal to your company. That’s a plus when another employer sees that on your resume.


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[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by ckjr4929

I am a very occasional lurker in this thread, but what you wrote here resonated with me.

Your story is my story as well...except that I grew up in a high cost of living state, New Jersey. I moved out of an abusive household when I was 18 with basically no money and started working the same kinds of jobs I imagine you did. Retail, labor (mostly warehouses), food service. I delivered newspapers for most of one shitty year which was probably the worst of them.

The low pay / odd jobs barely managed to cover my rent for an illegal basement apartment (shared with a roommate) and gas in my (beater) car. Part of it was the cost of living in NJ (even though I grew up almost 2 hours from both NYC and Philly) but mostly it was that $8-12/hour didn't go that far. I got stuck in a cycle of needing the next paycheck to afford groceries and rent and my car. You really need a car in most parts of NJ, the one I grew up in especially, and car insurance is expensive here because of how many cars are on the roads.

On multiple occasions, over the course of a few weeks or months, I would save up a couple hundred bucks or even close to a thousand. Then something would go wrong and those savings would disappear. Usually it was in one or two big chunks, like a car repair (which is the problem with buying beater cars) or medical expense, nothing major but necessities like contact lenses or dental work. There was a year or so where I so I walked to work or took the bus or got rides because I couldn't scrape together the money for a car repair. These things have a real cost over time, not just a financial one but mental.

Every tiny mistake like getting my hours cut for one week or spending too much at the grocery store or God forbid going out for one lousy night would set me back into the next month. When I was in my mid-20s, through sheer luck, I found slightly higher paying jobs in sales where I made $15/hr or so. Maybe if I had stayed on that path, I would have a different perspective today. But around the same time, I started getting serious about my education, and I chose to pursue education over the $15/hour job that may or may not have paid much more if I got a couple promotions.

In hindsight, I might have been better off getting as far away from New Jersey as I could when I was 18, but it took all of the limited financial power I had to move out when I did. I suppose I could have left the state with nothing but the clothes in my back and never returned. Obviously some people make that choice. But I have a younger sibling and I wanted to make sure she was okay.

Education is one path out of this cycle, and I took classes part-time for years while working the jobs I mentioned. It took a while to get serious about it but over time, I got an Associate's degree, then a Bachelor's. I needed tens of thousands in debt to get those degrees, debt which I am still paying back today. I'm fortunate that after five years of payments, my new beater car (a 2006) is finally paid off and still runs. That car got me through my Bachelor's and even my Master's degree, which is more than I ever could have expected and one of the first incidences where I truly recognized the good luck I have had.

My current day job is not lucrative, even with my Master's it barely pays more than the $15/hour sales job I had years ago. Most in my field make <$40,000/year with few benefits, and I certainly would have more financial comfort if I had gone to a trade school or gotten a degree in another field, but I love my job anyway.

I don't mention any of this because I want your or anyone's sympathy. I was lucky in ways that many others aren't -- good health and very strong support from friends and mentors even if my family support lacked. Not to mention the same hobby that brings us all here, one which has made me a lot of extra money over the years (especially during this pandemic).

But the margin of error is so slim for so many people who work even 60 or 80 hours a week, and getting out of that cycle is not always as simple as get another job or get a degree. Yet the consequences of not breaking free from that cycle are staggering.

Like you, I've lost family members to addiction and mental health issues. For me, it's hard not to see their struggles as something which is in part created by a lot of what is broken in our country right now -- a lack of good health care (especially mental health) and income inequality in particular.

I went one way and some of my family members went another. Obviously some people make bad decisions. But if you live in the US in 2020 and haven't had to deal with years of financial hardship from low-paying jobs, medical bills or unaffordable housing, consider yourself lucky. That's the story of too many people, and unless these things change systemically, it will become more and more normalized.

But maybe that's necessary, because people rarely change their minds about something until it starts to affect them or someone close to them.

I wish you (and everyone else in this thread) all the best as far as your job and health and now it's back to lurking for me.

great post and I'm glad you are doing well.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201...abusing-office

Rotten to the core

What is rotten about this?