2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

And then when they grow up in a poor household in a poor school district, can’t afford college, and end up in the same cycle we can then just keep the cycle of calling them lazy and irresponsible because they don’t get a job other than Walmart!

Plenty of people grow up in poor households and turn out just fine. "Can't afford college" isn't even a thing. If a family is that poor, the local community college will be free. Let me guess: it's not fair that the kid can't go to Vanderbilt.

[Ray27Ray52]

I'm a rightie and I am staunchly pro choice. Guess that doesn't fit in with the lefts agenda though.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Clark

I agree, that analogy is concerning.

Alvarez, I read your post a few pages back where you stated sarcastically that poor people shouldn't have kids.

While people have the right to have kids, a financially challenged, responsible person should not. Raising kids costs money. If you are already poor, you don't help making it more difficult.

I think there is validity to the comment. I will not have kids, one, because I do t want them but also because I don’t want to take in the financial burden.

That said, it happens, and not always on purpose. Is it dumb, yes. However, I have a huge bone to pick with the folks that are pro life and don’t really want to give options to a person in that situation, but then want to eliminate programs that can help children break out of a cycle of poverty. The kid didn’t choose to be born.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

That said, it happens, and not always on purpose. Is it dumb, yes. However, I have a huge bone to pick with the folks that are pro life and don’t really want to give options to a person in that situation, but then want to eliminate programs that can help children break out of a cycle of poverty.

You can't have it both ways. Either there are programs that help break the cycle of poverty, or the economic gap is getting wider. Pick one, because you've argued both.

The "programs" you seem to support do nothing except perpetuate the person's current lifestyle. To break the cycle of poverty in a family, sacrifices have to be made.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

You can't have it both ways. Either there are programs that help break the cycle of poverty, or the economic gap is getting wider. Pick one, because you've argued both.

The "programs" you seem to support do nothing except perpetuate the person's current lifestyle. To break the cycle of poverty in a family, sacrifices have to be made.

How on earth can an 8 year old child, growing up in a single parent household, control that? Are we going to blame the kid for being born poor, because that is essentially what we do.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Get out of here with your fake concern. If you were so concerned about them being born you’d also care what happens to them after that.

I grew up in foster care. My mother passed away and my father went to prison. Tell that crap to someone else.

What happened to me? I was put on the street when I turned 18. They gave me $512 and a plane ticket...though I had nowhere to go and hadn't even finished high school.

Guess what, I paid my own way through community college and university after that.

Fake concern? Pffft. I know what's possible. I lived it. Did you?

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[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I grew up in foster care. My mother passed away and my father went to prison. Tell that crap to someone else.

What happened to me? I was put on the street when I turned 18. They gave me $512 and a plane ticket...though I had nowhere to go and hadn't even finished high school.

Guess what, I paid my own way through community college and university after that.

Fake concern? Pffft. I know what's possible. I lived it. Did you?

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Good for you!

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

How on earth can an 8 year old child, growing up in a single parent household, control that? Are we going to blame the kid for being born poor, because that is essentially what we do.

Ok, then let's take the irresponsible single mother and just give her more free money. You are blind if you don't see how that turns out in America's poor neighborhoods. NOTHING EVER CHANGES.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Good for you!

Okay, so let's say there's a mother that can't support her kid, and also we have the kid. I don't want to support either of them, nor do I want to kill either of them.

If you forced me to choose which one to kill and which one to support, it's no contest. Yet we do the opposite every day in this country.

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I think there is validity to the comment. I will not have kids, one, because I do t want them but also because I don’t want to take in the financial burden.

That said, it happens, and not always on purpose. Is it dumb, yes. However, I have a huge bone to pick with the folks that are pro life and don’t really want to give options to a person in that situation, but then want to eliminate programs that can help children break out of a cycle of poverty. The kid didn’t choose to be born.

It does happen... a legitimate mistake when two adults take precautions and something still goes wrong.

However, when single parent households start to outpace two parent homes, there needs to be some reflection.

[coachnip13]

As a conservative, I'm a dirtbag if I don't "care about the kids".

Yet, there is zero accountability for the father who caused that home to become a single-parent home.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I think there is validity to the comment. I will not have kids, one, because I do t want them but also because I don’t want to take in the financial burden.

That said, it happens, and not always on purpose. Is it dumb, yes. However, I have a huge bone to pick with the folks that are pro life and don’t really want to give options to a person in that situation, but then want to eliminate programs that can help children break out of a cycle of poverty. The kid didn’t choose to be born.

who wants to eliminate programs to help children? I believe there are still plenty of programs for them to get help. Talk about a bone to pick I have one with people that think I should give more of my hard earned money to give more hand outs to others and if i don't want to do then i am somehow horrible and talking with a racial undertone.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Quote me on that please.

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I think we all have a different American vision. I and many on the left want people to have a fair shake and a chance at improving my situation without having to work two jobs and 60+ hours a week.


The right wants to make sure the rich accumulate more and more money at the expense of everyone else.

Who is "the right"? Can you quote someone in here on that?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

How on earth can an 8 year old child, growing up in a single parent household, control that? Are we going to blame the kid for being born poor, because that is essentially what we do.

Huh what? No one is blaming the child for being poor. i know in my local area there is plenty of programs that are free by the way to try and help them out and give them opportunity. as far as college goes I'm pretty sure you have to be pretty poor to get free financial aid.

in 2002 I made 9.90 an hour and lived at home and my dad made like $15 dollars an hour at the time and we made too much for me to get a lot of the financial aid that is offered so there must be help out there for someone worse off than I was...

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Lol, no way. They worry so much about unborn babies but care one bit once they are born.

Which is a valid point. They blame the parents for being irresponsible but what control does a child born into a poor household have over that and why by extension punish them...all that does is perpetuate the cycle.

Quote someone on this please.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Clark

It does happen... a legitimate mistake when two adults take precautions and something still goes wrong.

However, when single parent households start to outpace two parent homes, there needs to be some reflection.

Sure, but again why make the child suffer because parents made a bad choice.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Sure, but again why make the child suffer because parents made a bad choice.

The child doesn't get the check. The child will still suffer if the parent is irresponsible.

[Alvarez09]

I’m going to bow out here. All this is doing is further my belief that one, most republicans vote to protect a class of people they aren’t in, and two, in order to prop themselves up want to keep a class lower than them so they can feel like they aren’t the lowest class.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I’m going to bow out here. All this is doing is further my belief that one, most republicans vote to protect a class of people they aren’t in, and two, in order to prop themselves up want to keep a class lower than them so they can feel like they aren’t the lowest class.

Wow... not one place can you quote anyone saying the stuff that you have accused them of saying and now you just drop out...

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I'm a rightie and I am staunchly pro choice. Guess that doesn't fit in with the lefts agenda though.

Well, we half like you.
What?

[discostu]

We bail out banks for poor and risky behavior.
We bail out corporations for poor and risky behavior.

What amounts to socialism for the top, and actual hardcore capitalism for the bottom.

Curiously, we don't request accountability from the top.

To me, this is a problem.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by free2131

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle?

Maybe personal responsibility plays a huge role in how good or bad your life turns out...

...AND...

...a full time job that isn't enough to support someone and give them the basics they need to live (which includes healthcare) shouldn't exist in a country as prosperous as ours?

Couldn't it be a little bit of one and a little bit of the other?

I think the fact that o sad I agree with this, yet not one single right leaning person on here did needs to be emphasized and says all we need to know.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by free2131

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle?

Maybe personal responsibility plays a huge role in how good or bad your life turns out...

...AND...

...a full time job that isn't enough to support someone and give them the basics they need to live (which includes healthcare) shouldn't exist in a country as prosperous as ours?

Couldn't it be a little bit of one and a little bit of the other?

Absolutely! Yes, you have to put in work to get rewarded. Yes, most of us here have done and still do that. However, there is no reason we can't call out the FACT that the middle class remains stagnant while the rich get richer. I'm not blaming that on the rich either, I blame our government for making it that way.

Trump's tax cuts did help me out a little bit. Awesome! I appreciate that. Now tell me why he couldn't have those tax cuts for individuals and left the corporate rates the same. You don't change anything for them so you can't say, well, they are just going to go somewhere else; they aren't.

I'm no economist by any means but my idea to get things rolling would be to simplify the tax code, close the loopholes on corporations avoiding paying taxes, cut spending across the board, then quit taxing individuals to the point where half their check isn't going back to the government in the form of one tax or another.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I’m going to bow out here. All this is doing is further my belief that one, most republicans vote to protect a class of people they aren’t in, and two, in order to prop themselves up want to keep a class lower than them so they can feel like they aren’t the lowest class.

That's how the word "triggered" originated.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by discostu

We bail out banks for poor and risky behavior.
We bail out corporations for poor and risky behavior.

What amounts to socialism for the top, and actual hardcore capitalism for the bottom.

Curiously, we don't request accountability from the top.

To me, this is a problem.

Yet we want to hold accountable an 18 year old and her child for bad decisions. Sorry, that is screwed up and hypocritical.