Rob Manfred in hot water - Page 4

Hollywood42 · 08-28-2020, 10:43 AM

A bunch of players are donating their pay this week- https://www.forbes.com/sites/jaredwy.../#611bd313f7f1

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

I'd respect the players a lot more if they played and donated their pay to charity.

rman112 · 10-21-2020, 10:07 AM

'Speaking to the Associated Press before Game 1 of the World Series, Manfred revealed that he prefers some version of the larger postseason format — MLB expanded the playoffs from 10 to 16 teams for 2020 — and also favors the new extra-inning rule that places a runner on second base to start each inning.'

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Let us hope to Jesus that this is only a negotiation tactic. He says he doesn't want 16, which is good. But more than 10 is still a continuing watering down.

Eckstein197 · 10-21-2020, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

'Speaking to the Associated Press before Game 1 of the World Series, Manfred revealed that he prefers some version of the larger postseason format — MLB expanded the playoffs from 10 to 16 teams for 2020 — and also favors the new extra-inning rule that places a runner on second base to start each inning.'

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Let us hope to Jesus that this is only a negotiation tactic. He says he doesn't want 16, which is good. But more than 10 is still a continuing watering down.

Some players have said they’ve heard about a bye situation involved.

What I could see is similar to what the NFL has done. Roll with 12 teams, 6 per league

Top 2 division winners get a bye, then the last division winner gets the 3 seed and then seeds 4-6 are WC/determined by best record. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5 in a best of 3 or best of 5

Then matchup and do the DS/CS/WS

brewtown107 · 10-21-2020, 01:13 PM

I tend to be a traditionalist more so than most, but I've decided I like a larger postseason field for baseball.

The best argument against is that it makes the regular season standings practically meaningless, i.e., the "best" teams don't get much benefit from their superior play all season long when they can be knocked out of the playoffs by lesser teams. But I'd argue the regular season is already pretty meaningless, given the have and have-not situation in MLB. The teams with quarter-billion dollar payrolls (more or less) and top dollar player development programs tend to rise to the top over the long season year after year, while the small market teams fight amongst themselves for fleeting windows of contention. More often than not, the division winners don't "earn" their place at the top---they buy that place.

So why not expand the field and give a few more franchises in baseball's middle class, or perhaps even a small market underdog, more shots at the goal? I think it works for baseball.

But I still hate the man on second in extra innings bit. That's some garbage right there.

Angrycake · 10-21-2020, 01:26 PM

I actually like the extra inning rule. My reasoning is that it changes the dynamic of the game. Extra innings is a war of attrition without the man in scoring position. I love soccer, and baseball, but if I want to watch long periods of someone not scoring I'll watch soccer or look in a mirror for bit.

bloodwings19 · 10-21-2020, 01:48 PM

162 games and more playoff teams which means you dilute the meaning of 162 games. You would have players sit out many games if they clinched especially pitchers. And then you would have teams like this year the Astros, playing tankers all season and then throw haymakers in the playoffs.

And the extra inning is just something out of a video game. If I was a fast runner batting in the bottom half of the 9th inning with 2 outs and no runners in any bases. I would just purposely strike out so I would be standing on 2nd base in extra inning.

Scottish Punk · 10-21-2020, 01:55 PM

I think expanded playoffs are an inevitability. I would fall on the less is more side. My guess is they will land on 12. The current baseball climate seems to separate the teams tanking vs the teams going for it pretty early. With more playoff spots, the teams could be locked in earlier and just fighting for position. Half to make sure there is still intrigue in the last month of the season.

rman112 · 10-22-2020, 09:36 PM

'Major League Baseball will reportedly revert to using the designated hitter solely in the American League in 2021, according to LaVelle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune.'

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The ONE freaking change they made that actually made sense. Ugh.

thenightman · 10-22-2020, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

'Major League Baseball will reportedly revert to using the designated hitter solely in the American League in 2021, according to LaVelle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune.'

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The ONE freaking change they made that actually made sense. Ugh.

Union and MLB will strike a deal, but they should get it done soon.

Skipscards · 10-23-2020, 01:04 AM

Manfred is the worst.

goldfly · 10-23-2020, 01:54 AM

it takes a lot to be worse than bud selig

but he does that

i seriously don't even think he likes baseball

EBCollectibles · 10-23-2020, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by clocsta2323

Not a fan of Manfred but quoting Keith Olbermann is pretty bad.

Absolutely!!! As bad as it gets. I bet Olbermann plays with his Heritage Variations and watches CNN all the time. He is terrible.

coachnip13 · 10-23-2020, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

Absolutely!!! As bad as it gets. I bet Olbermann plays with his Heritage Variations and watches CNN all the time. He is terrible.

His TV character is indeed terrible, but he was nice enough to sign and return something I sent when he bought a card from me.

coachnip13 · 10-23-2020, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

I tend to be a traditionalist more so than most, but I've decided I like a larger postseason field for baseball.

The best argument against is that it makes the regular season standings practically meaningless, i.e., the "best" teams don't get much benefit from their superior play all season long when they can be knocked out of the playoffs by lesser teams. But I'd argue the regular season is already pretty meaningless, given the have and have-not situation in MLB. The teams with quarter-billion dollar payrolls (more or less) and top dollar player development programs tend to rise to the top over the long season year after year, while the small market teams fight amongst themselves for fleeting windows of contention. More often than not, the division winners don't "earn" their place at the top---they buy that place.

So why not expand the field and give a few more franchises in baseball's middle class, or perhaps even a small market underdog, more shots at the goal? I think it works for baseball.

But I still hate the man on second in extra innings bit. That's some garbage right there.

This year's division winners by salary rank: 2, 7, 14, 18, 25, 28. And none of those division winners were flukes.

brewtown107 · 10-23-2020, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

This year's division winners by salary rank: 2, 7, 14, 18, 25, 28. And none of those division winners were flukes.

I'm talking long term year-over-year trends, and you give me a single (short) season data point. Why bother to reply if you're not going to address the point that was being made?

coachnip13 · 10-23-2020, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

I'm talking long term year-over-year trends, and you give me a single (short) season data point. Why bother to reply if you're not going to address the point that was being made?

Have some coffee. No one is attacking you.

Teams aren't buying their playoff spots. Oakland, Tampa, Minnesota, Atlanta: competitive every year.

oldgoldy97 · 10-23-2020, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

I'm talking long term year-over-year trends, and you give me a single (short) season data point. Why bother to reply if you're not going to address the point that was being made?

Some might say there are teams that contend every year.

From 2011-2020 the Twins made the playoffs twice.

They played over .500 ball four times.

They lost over 90 games five times.

Draw your own conclusions.

coachnip13 · 10-23-2020, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

I'm talking long term year-over-year trends, and you give me a single (short) season data point. Why bother to reply if you're not going to address the point that was being made?

Some may go back to 2011 in order to argue, but a team like Minnesota has made the playoffs three of the last four years (not twice).

Scottish Punk · 10-23-2020, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

'Major League Baseball will reportedly revert to using the designated hitter solely in the American League in 2021, according to LaVelle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune.'

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The ONE freaking change they made that actually made sense. Ugh.

I am surprised with this one. I would think since the NL got a taste of how the DH makes it easier to manage and you get that extra power bat, they would like it. The union would like the fact that more teams would spend on players that they normally wouldn't look at.

oldgoldy97 · 10-23-2020, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

I'm talking long term year-over-year trends, and you give me a single (short) season data point. Why bother to reply if you're not going to address the point that was being made?

Some count a wild card play in game as the playoffs. I guess that's actually correct.

Some also consider long term 3 years. I actually understand what you’re talking about and you are 100% correct.

coachnip13 · 10-23-2020, 09:22 AM

Others may start a timeline at a particular year in order to cut off two more playoff appearances in 2009-2010. But at least we now understand what "making the playoffs" means.

Some also don't get that "three of the last four years" covers four years, not three.

brewtown107 · 10-23-2020, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Have some coffee. No one is attacking you.

Teams aren't buying their playoff spots. Oakland, Tampa, Minnesota, Atlanta: competitive every year.

Did I sound attacked?

More like confused, and wondering what color the sky is in your world.

Sure, some small market teams have output outpunched their weight relative to others, and some large market teams have spent money unwisely. We can all think of examples of both.

But your examples reek of extreme recency bias. Those might be the best outliers, but all of them have been last place teams in the past 5 seasons. Not just missed the playoffs, but last in their division. The opposite of "competitive every year".

When was the last time the Dodgers finished in last place (or didn't finish in 1st place) in their division? How about the Yankees?

When it comes to regular season records and participation in the playoffs, payrolls matter. I'm not making that up. Here's just one article explaining how anecdotal small market success stories don't negate the bigger picture:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ccess-stories/

doowopbruce · 10-23-2020, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfly

it takes a lot to be worse than bud selig

but he does that

i seriously don't even think he likes baseball

Right on both counts.

oldgoldy97 · 10-23-2020, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

Did I sound attacked?

More like confused, and wondering what color the sky is in your world.

Sure, some small market teams have output outpunched their weight relative to others, and some large market teams have spent money unwisely. We can all think of examples of both.

But your examples reek of extreme recency bias. Those might be the best outliers, but all of them have been last place teams in the past 5 seasons. Not just missed the playoffs, but last in their division. The opposite of "competitive every year".

When was the last time the Dodgers finished in last place (or didn't finish in 1st place) in their division? How about the Yankees?

When it comes to regular season records and participation in the playoffs, payrolls matter. I'm not making that up. Here's just one article explaining how anecdotal small market success stories don't negate the bigger picture:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ccess-stories/

You’re missing the point. Every year they’re in the playoffs they’re competitive. The size and scope of “every year” is determined by how it fits the narrative.

coachnip13 · 10-23-2020, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

When was the last time the Dodgers finished in last place (or didn't finish in 1st place) in their division? How about the Yankees?

For the Yankees, you have to go all the way back to 2020.

10-23-2020, 01:04 AM	#85
Skipscards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In Tribute To The Great Ryno Posts: 30,239 jlankf2 jmp4	Manfred is the worst. __________________ Go Royals!! #RoyalsIn2015 <---It Happened!! #TEAMZinck Sometimes it is astounding that we are able to persist in a world so full of morons.

10-21-2020, 10:07 AM	#77
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	'Speaking to the Associated Press before Game 1 of the World Series, Manfred revealed that he prefers some version of the larger postseason format — MLB expanded the playoffs from 10 to 16 teams for 2020 — and also favors the new extra-inning rule that places a runner on second base to start each inning.' .. Let us hope to Jesus that this is only a negotiation tactic. He says he doesn't want 16, which is good. But more than 10 is still a continuing watering down.

10-21-2020, 01:13 PM	#79
brewtown107 Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,240 brewtown107	I tend to be a traditionalist more so than most, but I've decided I like a larger postseason field for baseball. The best argument against is that it makes the regular season standings practically meaningless, i.e., the "best" teams don't get much benefit from their superior play all season long when they can be knocked out of the playoffs by lesser teams. But I'd argue the regular season is already pretty meaningless, given the have and have-not situation in MLB. The teams with quarter-billion dollar payrolls (more or less) and top dollar player development programs tend to rise to the top over the long season year after year, while the small market teams fight amongst themselves for fleeting windows of contention. More often than not, the division winners don't "earn" their place at the top---they buy that place. So why not expand the field and give a few more franchises in baseball's middle class, or perhaps even a small market underdog, more shots at the goal? I think it works for baseball. But I still hate the man on second in extra innings bit. That's some garbage right there.

10-21-2020, 01:26 PM	#80
Angrycake Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 616	I actually like the extra inning rule. My reasoning is that it changes the dynamic of the game. Extra innings is a war of attrition without the man in scoring position. I love soccer, and baseball, but if I want to watch long periods of someone not scoring I'll watch soccer or look in a mirror for bit.

10-21-2020, 01:48 PM	#81
bloodwings19 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,007	162 games and more playoff teams which means you dilute the meaning of 162 games. You would have players sit out many games if they clinched especially pitchers. And then you would have teams like this year the Astros, playing tankers all season and then throw haymakers in the playoffs. And the extra inning is just something out of a video game. If I was a fast runner batting in the bottom half of the 9th inning with 2 outs and no runners in any bases. I would just purposely strike out so I would be standing on 2nd base in extra inning.

10-21-2020, 01:55 PM	#82
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,949 scottishpunk	I think expanded playoffs are an inevitability. I would fall on the less is more side. My guess is they will land on 12. The current baseball climate seems to separate the teams tanking vs the teams going for it pretty early. With more playoff spots, the teams could be locked in earlier and just fighting for position. Half to make sure there is still intrigue in the last month of the season.

10-22-2020, 09:36 PM	#83
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	'Major League Baseball will reportedly revert to using the designated hitter solely in the American League in 2021, according to LaVelle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune.' .. The ONE freaking change they made that actually made sense. Ugh.

10-23-2020, 01:54 AM	#86
goldfly Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 396 goldflystill	it takes a lot to be worse than bud selig but he does that i seriously don't even think he likes baseball

10-23-2020, 09:22 AM	#96
coachnip13 Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Siesta Key, FL Posts: 9,647	Others may start a timeline at a particular year in order to cut off two more playoff appearances in 2009-2010. But at least we now understand what "making the playoffs" means. Some also don't get that "three of the last four years" covers four years, not three.