Anyone worried about increasing print runs?

[Remmons22]

Originally Posted by LVDan

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Perfect response right here.

[dfenno]

Originally Posted by pewe

More reason to only keep low numbered cards from a top product... especially those parallels with long track record


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Shhhhhh!!!!! I still have more buying to do.

[Archangel1775]

When adults are fighting each other at Target and Wal-Mart while bots take everything else online...there isn't enough to go around. Sadly, the print run will be to much when the stuff stays on the shelves.

[LVDan]

The only ones worried should be the ones who are planning on grading base RCs for income in the coming years. I think most people realize that is the one sector that has the most room to fall the soonest as print runs continue to balloon. Regarding flagship specifically.
If they keep the golds/ year and blacks increase one per year I don’t see much worry about those cards. All the other noise besides Flagship and chrome is a lot more susceptible to fatigue if the new money bails IMO.


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[mfw13]

It's not just increased print runs....it's increased everything....more products, more autos, more ancillary products.

Not sure if long-term demand (as opposed to short-term investor/flipper demand) can keep up with the number of products being released.

[alohasports]

Originally Posted by LVDan

The only ones worried should be the ones who are planning on grading base RCs for income in the coming years. I think most people realize that is the one sector that has the most room to fall the soonest as print runs continue to balloon. Regarding flagship specifically.
If they keep the golds/ year and blacks increase one per year I don’t see much worry about those cards. All the other noise besides Flagship and chrome is a lot more susceptible to fatigue if the new money bails IMO.


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This right here is spot on! Everyone running to send in their tatis jr, acuna jr, Soto and Roberts flagship rookies cards to PSA in hopes of paying for college for future generations or to become rich or just thinking they will make TONS of money flipping them will run into a problem if too much supply and not enough demand in the future. Meaning there will be tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands graded flagship rookies if these guys for sale on eBay in the future!!! They won’t be RARE cards as people think they are!

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

When adults are fighting each other at Target and Wal-Mart while bots take everything else online...there isn't enough to go around.

Not true at all. There's not enough to go around for the comparatively few products that are viewed as having investment potential.

However, overall there is plenty of product to go around....baseball, basketball, football, hockey, non-sports.....every segment of the hobby is seeing an increasing number of releases/product lines.

[HarryLime]

I'm not a big fan of flagship base (regular, non-parallel, non-photo variation, plain old flagship base) but it's funny, I was ripping a $400 Chrome jumbo box the other day and not pulling a single Bichette or Robert base card thinking "How the hell do these cards not sell for more? I can't pull a single copy in a $400 box."

Arthur

[Remmons22]

I do think Topps is printing too much and creating too many new products BUT I'm not worried. I only collect for my PC now so it doesn't matter all that much to me if the overall market drops due to over production.

I think, like other people have said, that 2021 is going to be a crazy year but also one that may turn people off in the future. If Topps tries to match next year's print run with the demand from this year, then we may be seeing a lot of S1 and S2 on the shelves for all of 2021.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong and demand keeps soaring. Either way I'll keep collecting my teams rookies/prospects and continue to enjoy the hobby.

[cardsin47]

I don’t worry about most things, including print runs. There are 2 main reasons for this:

1. I don’t worry about things I can’t control ( much tougher to do then you might think )

2. I only buy /sell really, really, really good stuff! ( can weather almost any storm - there’s always a market for this type of product )

[Dbacksbaseball]

Very simple. In the short term while the hobby is hot it won’t matter.

In the long term very bad. Look at all the people holding wax waiting for it to hit 5k a box. Remind you of anything? 88-92.....you can still pick up most them boxes for the price of a fire log.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

In the long term very bad. Look at all the people holding wax waiting for it to hit 5k a box. Remind you of anything? 88-92.....you can still pick up most them boxes for the price of a fire log.

I don’t believe we are in a 2nd junk wax era

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by esoxwaters

At this point, print runs are not anywhere near approaching the levels of the junk wax era, even when you take into consideration all the different products being released. The real question is whether there will still be as much interest in these cards in 5, 10, or 20 years as there is today. If demand continues to increase, today’s print runs will look minuscule. My guess is that will be true for some products while others get left by the wayside.

You make a great point about if these same people will have interest years down the road or are they trying to dump saturating the market with cards. With reduced attention spans and too many things to do interest in the hobby could wane just like the sport. Even if the sport is wild fire it doesn’t necessarily mean someone wants a piece a cardboard from their favorite player. It’s a hobby and could end up becoming like stamp collecting eventually. I hope not and really hope this renewed interest sticks and people collect for life.


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[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Bcwcardz

It’s a hobby and could end up becoming like stamp collecting eventually. I hope not and really hope this renewed interest sticks and people collect for life.

What happened/ is happening with Stamp Collecting?

[base set]

I hate the off-season.

[paperzach]

Topps seems to be cranking up the presses and the production quality seems to be suffering. Bowman Draft has massive centering issues, which is disgusting at $300+ for a box. Even GPK Sapphire has centering issues, which isn't a great look for Topps's new hobby super-product.

The card market has had a great 2020. It would be nice if the card companies put this windfall into improving areas where the boom has exposed their weaknesses (like Topps's disastrous management of Project 2020).

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by alohasports

Vintage will always be king in the hobby! I would rather have a 1955 topps PSA Koufax vs a acuna jr topps PSA rookie card! Or I’d rather have a 1969 topps PSA Johnny bench card vs a 2019 topps PSA mike trout card!!!

why not both?

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by paperzach

Topps seems to be cranking up the presses and the production quality seems to be suffering. Bowman Draft has massive centering issues, which is disgusting at $300+ for a box. Even GPK Sapphire has centering issues, which isn't a great look for Topps's new hobby super-product.

The card market has had a great 2020. It would be nice if the card companies put this windfall into improving areas where the boom has exposed their weaknesses (like Topps's disastrous management of Project 2020).

People still buy Bowman Draft?
If every card was perfect (in every pack or box), what would help create the perceived rarity? There wouldn't be a reason to grade or to only grade the best of the best. Keep us on the hamster wheel 24/7. The card companies have never been perfect. They never will be. They are astronomically better today than they were 20 years ago re: printing, the process, etc.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

What happened/ is happening with Stamp Collecting?

I’m trying to find the latest data, but it is probably at least as large, if not larger, than sports memorabilia.

The most expensive stamp (eg British Guiana 1c Magenta) sold for multiples of the most expensive sports cards (eg trout Superfractor). And collectors literally have been known to do trades worth $millions at a time.

Several of the largest billionaire financial magnates, such as Bill Gross, are particularly deeply invested in philatelic history.


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[creasecollector]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

What happened/ is happening with Stamp Collecting?

I'm no expert on Stamp Collecting, but it is very niche now. Just a small bit of collectors left compared to when stamp collecting was a very common thing to participate in with the young, old, etc.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by esoxwaters

Hard to estimate the actual print runs of flagship base cards back then but it was likely in the 7 to 8 figure range vs low 6 figures now.

This is misleading given Topps produces about a dozen flagship parallel products these days.

[katho]

Well wont know what the future holds for this hobby until the Covid is a thing of the past and people move on to other forms of recreation

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

I don’t believe we are in a 2nd junk wax era

Quiet frankly I would suggest you do a level of research then. I will tell you personally with research, as I guy who was heavily heavily invest in the sports card world from 06-09 and then again 13-17, I can tell you we are indeed in a junk wax era. Total products in 88-92 was 6. Take all baseball products and cases from 18-20...your eyes will open. Just as in the junk wax era people refuse to accept it.

ThIs Is FoReVeR!!! No OvErPrDuCtion!! I’ll ride it out!

[pewe]

Originally Posted by creasecollector

I'm no expert on Stamp Collecting, but it is very niche now. Just a small bit of collectors left compared to when stamp collecting was a very common thing to participate in with the young, old, etc.

Yet still as large or larger than sports memorabilia, with higher ticket sizes at the top end than anything that has been hit in in sports cards including the 1st Bowman Trout Super.

So perhaps more concentrated and becoming more like other historic relic collecting. Small in total number of people participating. But out of this world $$$ thrown at it.


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[noaskiecards]

Topps at least has odds
Panini doesn't put the odds
When they printed more mosaic basketball, it was quite odd
Panini can print forever without odds, which worries me

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