Can we talk about the price disparity between PSA and BGS and the future outlook? - Page 4

k13 · 02-01-2021, 05:21 PM

Bad centering = send to PSA
Bad corners = send to BGS

hauntedcomputer · 02-01-2021, 05:24 PM

Like the kind of guys (and all of them are guys) who can drop six or seven figures on cards are going to brag about a measly 9.5?

No way. 10 or nothing, because money doesn't matter at that level.

Parktek126 · 02-01-2021, 05:29 PM

One positive I can take from this is that as a collector I look forward to try to get back into collecting by buying bgs graded cards again. I stopped collecting PSA 10s about a year ago. Prices are just too much.

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k13 · 02-01-2021, 05:39 PM

PSA 10 base vs PSA 9 /199 from same set is almost the same price.

Dame · 02-01-2021, 05:51 PM

This is why PSA 10 carries so much premium. What Goldin and Gary V said is true.

Skip to 30 min mark. Kevin Love now investing in trading cards.
https://youtu.be/zFr6YvBC5h0

ThoseBackPages · 02-01-2021, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorPie

The argument that could be made is that the better cards go to PSA, hence a higher gem rate. I don't really believe it and in my 20+ years doing this see very little difference in the grading for the two companies. One selling for ten times more than the other is ludicrous, the very definition of buying labels and not cards.

However, PSA was smarter than BGS in a few areas, and the registry is at the top of the list. BGS is too damn slow, and still hasn't upgraded their crappy website in 20 years. Inexcusable nonsense, and I hope they get new ownership one of these days. They could challenge PSA again if they actually put some real effort and resources into it.

I collect BGS, but if I was buying to flip there's no reason to use anyone else but PSA right now.

i agree, BGS needs to do SOMETHING

asujbl · 02-01-2021, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

PSA 10 base vs PSA 9 /199 from same set is almost the same price.

Links?

rohara99 · 02-01-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

tougher because there are less?

are there less because they grade tougher, or because the amount of people who care about BVG is small?

1990 Jaromir Jagr OPC Premier rookie card (one of the most popular 90s' hockey rookie cards)

32% of the 8300 total sub'd to PSA come back PSA 10.
23% of the 3890 total sub'd to BGS come back BGS 9.5 or BGS 10.

Crosby Young guns are the EXACT SAME on BGS vs PSA.

71% of the 1050 total sub'd to PSA come back PSA 10.
71% of the 3200 total sub'd to BGS come back BGS 9.5 or BGS 10.

These numbers are all high enough to extrapolate gem rates.

ThoseBackPages · 02-01-2021, 06:37 PM

yea, but thats the #5 sport lol

but i hear ya. i still think the unwritten rules are different for MLB when it comes to the two grading companies

rohara99 · 02-01-2021, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, but thats the #5 sport lol

but i hear ya. i still think the unwritten rules are different for MLB when it comes to the two grading companies

Now they're grading different sports to different standards? LOL

6celtics33 · 02-01-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rohara99

Now they're grading different sports to different standards? LOL

Exactly

Get out of here with your silly data

The sport ranks too low to matter

Just keep repeating that psa rules over and over because everyone is making $ on this train and this has become a $ hobby, not a sports card hobby.

Keep collecting $ you lot, nice $ collection

6celtics33 · 02-01-2021, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’ve been stockpiling PSA 10 Adrenochrome for years now.

Can I buy some shares and options and splits on that?

And other words I don't understand?

What kind of swaps you got?

ThoseBackPages · 02-01-2021, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rohara99

Now they're grading different sports to different standards? LOL

No, but it certainly has something to do with whats being sent in.

i stopped paying attention to the NHL 23 years ago or so, so im not up on what those cards are doing, but i cannot image all things being equal, people would willingly send to BGS now

back then? sure, but not now

(im talking about the resale game here, not collectors collecting for their PC)

rafibomb · 02-01-2021, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dame

This is why PSA 10 carries so much premium. What Goldin and Gary V said is true.

Skip to 30 min mark. Kevin Love now investing in trading cards.
https://youtu.be/zFr6YvBC5h0

Psa and I think 2 other companies lol. Everyone is investing now.

6celtics33 · 02-01-2021, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

No, but it certainly has something to do with whats being sent in.

i stopped paying attention to the NHL 23 years ago or so, so im not up on what those cards are doing, but i cannot image all things being equal, people would willingly send to BGS now

back then? sure, but not now

(im talking about the resale game here, not collectors collecting for their PC)

I know you're a collector and I didn't mean to lump you with the $ crowd. But like you said, you don't know about the hockey. I don't either. But it looks like he does. So maybe he knows what he's talking about.

k13 · 02-01-2021, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Links?

Ebay.

Prizm Silvers PSA 9's are not much higher compared to Base PSA 10's

Which is comedy.

ThoseBackPages · 02-01-2021, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

I know you're a collector and I didn't mean to lump you with the $ crowd. But like you said, you don't know about the hockey. I don't either. But it looks like he does. So maybe he knows what he's talking about.

no worries

i used to follow the hockey, and im wondering how many of those Jagr's were sent in, and i suppose more importantly, WHEN they were.

i'd venture to guess that more were sent in 6+ years ago when BGS was at the top of the modern game

k13 · 02-01-2021, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

no worries

i used to follow the hockey, and im wondering how many of those Jagr's were sent in, and i suppose more importantly, WHEN they were.

i'd venture to guess that more were sent in 6+ years ago when BGS was at the top of the modern game

A few years ago just like Mcdavid YG's which has WAY more BGS graded compared to PSA.

All Canadians were sending modern hockey to BGS till last year.

ThoseBackPages · 02-01-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

A few years ago just like Mcdavid YG's which has WAY more BGS graded compared to PSA.

All Canadians were sending modern hockey to BGS till last year.

thats a good point i hadnt thought of, the international thing and sending to PSA

6celtics33 · 02-01-2021, 07:31 PM

I like the way beckett promotes the hobby for all. Their website frequently promotes and advertises record sales in psa cases and they don't seem to care.

I've seen two interviews with Mathis and Nats Turner who I know have big time bgs cards but all they seem to be allowed to discuss are their psa cards.

I also saw a Goldin advertisement on the back of a psa publication, maybe an smr report, not sure but it was highlighting some monster sales and they were only allowed to do it by having the bgs cases around the Lebron and the Trout red /5 airbrushed out making them appear raw.

I don't like this and don't get this at all. Again, it may make sense from a business perspective if they believe killing the competition equals winning. But it doesn't for us. Competition and variety is good for everyone.

But with everyone making $, nobody will notice or care most likely.

Beckett's name is too big in the card world to go the way of GAI or SCD. But maybe they are due for a rejuvenation by some new ownership or whatever.

ThoseBackPages · 02-01-2021, 07:35 PM

Yes, i dont want BGS to fold.

we saw what happened when monopolies happened with the sportscard world

asujbl · 02-01-2021, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Ebay.

Prizm Silvers PSA 9's are not much higher compared to Base PSA 10's

Which is comedy.

Thanks for the links

KhalDrogo · 02-01-2021, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Yes, i dont want BGS to fold.

we saw what happened when monopolies happened with the sportscard world

I'd be okay if BGS died. Then all of eagle eye Joe's black labels would be worthless. But sadly he'd probably have a heads up BGS was going under, and wouldn't be affected.

Sportscard Fan · 02-01-2021, 07:53 PM

Ok, let's compare apples to apples. BGS 9.5 to PSA 10 is open to interpretation. But PSA 9 to BGS 9 should pretty much be the same card (with some variation based on attributes).

But these two sales from the same seller on the same day (yesterday) show a huge (and to me, inexplicable) difference:

Sold for $36,600:

Sold for $73,100:

I get how some cards can be nicer 9's than others, but twice the price? I just don't understand the huge BGS vs PSA price gap for two Mint 9 cards
.

asujbl · 02-01-2021, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportscard Fan

Ok, let's compare apples to apples. BGS 9.5 to PSA 10 is open to interpretation. But PSA 9 to BGS 9 should pretty much be the same card (with some variation based on attributes).

But these two sales from the same seller on the same day (yesterday) show a huge (and to me, inexplicable) difference:

Sold for $36,600:

Sold for $73,100:

I get how some cards can be nicer 9's than others, but twice the price? I just don't understand the huge BGS vs PSA price gap for two Mint 9 cards
.

It’s almost like you didn’t read this thread

The difference (agree or not) has been explained over and over

02-01-2021, 05:24 PM	#77
hauntedcomputer Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: NC mountains Posts: 1,097 hauntedcomputer	Like the kind of guys (and all of them are guys) who can drop six or seven figures on cards are going to brag about a measly 9.5? No way. 10 or nothing, because money doesn't matter at that level. __________________ +++ The market is always right, even when it's dumb. More cards are overgraded than undergraded. Change my mind.

02-01-2021, 05:51 PM	#80
Dame Banned Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 3,482	This is why PSA 10 carries so much premium. What Goldin and Gary V said is true. Skip to 30 min mark. Kevin Love now investing in trading cards. https://youtu.be/zFr6YvBC5h0 Last edited by Dame; 02-01-2021 at 05:56 PM.

02-01-2021, 06:37 PM	#84
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,723 ThoseBackPages	yea, but thats the #5 sport lol but i hear ya. i still think the unwritten rules are different for MLB when it comes to the two grading companies __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

02-01-2021, 07:35 PM	#96
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,723 ThoseBackPages	Yes, i dont want BGS to fold. we saw what happened when monopolies happened with the sportscard world __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

02-01-2021, 05:21 PM	#76
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	Bad centering = send to PSA Bad corners = send to BGS

02-01-2021, 05:29 PM	#78
Parktek126 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 9	One positive I can take from this is that as a collector I look forward to try to get back into collecting by buying bgs graded cards again. I stopped collecting PSA 10s about a year ago. Prices are just too much. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-01-2021, 05:39 PM	#79
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	PSA 10 base vs PSA 9 /199 from same set is almost the same price.

02-01-2021, 07:31 PM	#95
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,297	I like the way beckett promotes the hobby for all. Their website frequently promotes and advertises record sales in psa cases and they don't seem to care. I've seen two interviews with Mathis and Nats Turner who I know have big time bgs cards but all they seem to be allowed to discuss are their psa cards. I also saw a Goldin advertisement on the back of a psa publication, maybe an smr report, not sure but it was highlighting some monster sales and they were only allowed to do it by having the bgs cases around the Lebron and the Trout red /5 airbrushed out making them appear raw. I don't like this and don't get this at all. Again, it may make sense from a business perspective if they believe killing the competition equals winning. But it doesn't for us. Competition and variety is good for everyone. But with everyone making $, nobody will notice or care most likely. Beckett's name is too big in the card world to go the way of GAI or SCD. But maybe they are due for a rejuvenation by some new ownership or whatever.

02-01-2021, 07:53 PM	#99
Sportscard Fan Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,364	Ok, let's compare apples to apples. BGS 9.5 to PSA 10 is open to interpretation. But PSA 9 to BGS 9 should pretty much be the same card (with some variation based on attributes). But these two sales from the same seller on the same day (yesterday) show a huge (and to me, inexplicable) difference: Sold for $36,600: Sold for $73,100: I get how some cards can be nicer 9's than others, but twice the price? I just don't understand the huge BGS vs PSA price gap for two Mint 9 cards .