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[Bob Ross]

Pelicans are the worst. I'd rather root for the Mar-a-Lago Vikings and their flat earthers Cousins and Cook.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Pelicans are the worst. I'd rather root for the Mar-a-Lago Vikings and their flat earthers Cousins and Cook.

People said the same thing when AD was there. Now he's with the Lakers and sucks.

[Bronconation24]

I don’t think he plays this year

[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Pelicans are the worst. I'd rather root for the Mar-a-Lago Vikings and their flat earthers Cousins and Cook.

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[TimBuckTwo]

Ja is the man not that fat guy Z.

[Wade Mulroy]

Anyone have any Hoops premium box set tribute cards (/199) they’re looking to deal? If so, I’m buying!




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[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Boo

People said the same thing when AD was there. Now he's with the Lakers and sucks.

im sure AD would have been hitting playoff game winners enroute to a championship if he would have stayed in Nola.

[Dame]

Zion Williamson will dial back the rehab of his surgically repaired foot to only partial weight bearing activities. Williamson is continuing his rehabilitation in Portland instead of New Orleans, but remains under supervision of the team.


Williamson has not played this season after suffering a fracture in his right foot that required surgery over the summer.


“Since we notified everyone on December 16 of his latest imaging, it was decided then by our medical team to dial his rehab back to only partial weight bearing activities. He continues along that path,” stated Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations David Griffin. “We also agreed that in order to put Zion in the best position to succeed, he will rehab away from the team at this time so he can focus on the task at hand.”



“As you can imagine, this has been a very difficult process for me,” said Williamson. “I know there’s work to be done in my recovery before I can safely return to the court, but I will continue to put in the time necessary so I can get back on the floor with my team and represent Pelicans fans and the city of New Orleans at the highest level. Basketball means everything to me, and I am thankful for the Pelicans organization and everyone who has surrounded me with love and support throughout this journey – my family, friends, teammates, coaches, staff, fans, and everybody who has stood behind me and uplifted me when I needed it most.”

[KhalDrogo]

I know Woj just said the goal is to get him back this year. But that just does not sound like a likely outcome.

[Blake050]

Who just won the galactic bgs 9.5 true gem for $3050? That's a steal.

[90skid]

Originally Posted by Blake050

Who just won the galactic bgs 9.5 true gem for $3050? That's a steal.

Until next month when another one pops up for sale and it goes for $2,500. It's been on a downward spiral for awhile it feels like.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by 90skid

Until next month when another one pops up for sale and it goes for $2,500. It's been on a downward spiral for awhile it feels like.

That’s how I feel. Buying and swing Zion is like trying to catch a falling knife. With how his rehab is going and the chances of playing this season going down; commoner with how the general market seems to be cooling off now that free money is shutting off and bills are now gonna start coming due, it’ll take a lot of accolades and titles for Zion to hit the highs he had last year.


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[regularp]

Originally Posted by 90skid

Until next month when another one pops up for sale and it goes for $2,500. It's been on a downward spiral for awhile it feels like.

Originally Posted by Brobocop

That’s how I feel. Buying and swing Zion is like trying to catch a falling knife. With how his rehab is going and the chances of playing this season going down; commoner with how the general market seems to be cooling off now that free money is shutting off and bills are now gonna start coming due, it’ll take a lot of accolades and titles for Zion to hit the highs he had last year.


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I also don't think Galactics are held in that high a regard within the hobby as a whole despite some recent hype on here about them.

[Dame]

2 Kaboom’s ending soon. PSA 10 and a BGS 10.

Last PSA 10 sold for $11k + Buyers premium from PWCC’s premiere auction.

Edit: PSA 10 just went for $6.8k at Probstein.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by regularp

I also don't think Galactics are held in that high a regard within the hobby as a whole despite some recent hype on here about them.

There's some truth to this.

But it was the same with Prizm Golds for many years. It takes time. Still very early days for Galactics. You can't get a 15/16 or 16/17 one. Or it's very difficult.

There was just a $35k sale of a 15/16 Steph Galactic recently.

I think that Zion at $3k is a steal if he comes good.

Too risky for me though.

[ninjacookies]

There's no perfect answer on how to time the Zion market right now. Buy him if you actually like the guy or if there's a card that just never pops up that you may not see again for awhile. Wait if you're simply in it for the skrilla. Even if he comes back late this season, he's probably going to be eased back in the same way he was in his rookie season.

If you're looking at this from the perspective of anticipating prices coming back to covid peaks, well...you're probably going to be disappointed on a great majority of your holdings...Zion excluded.

[Spacemanspif]

I think any Zion purchase right now is a measure of risk/reward.

For example with the $3k Galactic, is it possible they drop a bit more? Sure, but by how much? $2.5k? 2k? 1k? I think we're approaching the range where you'd have a LOT of bidders because of the somewhat limited downside, and a much higher upside (as compared to the Kaboom or Downtowns or random Peacock / Tiger parallels which are going for 2-3 times the amount of the Galactic)

I think so much downside has been priced in already, if he ever plays again at the level we saw 9 months ago, a lot of the cards selling right now are going to look like crazy bargains. People get this idea stuck in their heads that "it'll never reach peak Covid pricing", but that's true of basically any card. All you really need his stuff to do is go for more than it went today, if you're looking at it from a purely moneymaking perspective. Nobody is going to be able to perfectly time the bottom, much like none of us were able to perfectly time the top. Personally I'm bidding on anything rare that we may not see every month.

Anyway, what do y'all think about them moving his rehab away from the team? It seems weird to me, and at the moment I can't remember other players who have had that type of situation

[Brobocop]

Buying Zion now is akin to buying crypto. Speculative with a high degree of risk. If he came back this year and had some really solid games, could be a good time to get out.


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[regularp]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

There's some truth to this.

But it was the same with Prizm Golds for many years. It takes time. Still very early days for Galactics. You can't get a 15/16 or 16/17 one. Or it's very difficult.

There was just a $35k sale of a 15/16 Steph Galactic recently.

I think that Zion at $3k is a steal if he comes good.

Too risky for me though.

This has been up since September: https://www.ebay.com/itm/27451002990...gAAOSwIDZfb1~k

I'm just not a believer in them but I could be wrong. Time will tell.

Recent LeBron sales have not been that strong. A second year PSA 10 Luka went for $2,500.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

There's no perfect answer on how to time the Zion market right now. Buy him if you actually like the guy or if there's a card that just never pops up that you may not see again for awhile. Wait if you're simply in it for the skrilla. Even if he comes back late this season, he's probably going to be eased back in the same way he was in his rookie season.

If you're looking at this from the perspective of anticipating prices coming back to covid peaks, well...you're probably going to be disappointed on a great majority of your holdings...Zion excluded.

I finished second on the PSA 10 Aurora that ended tonight. I'm hoping it pops back up since it was won by a bidder with 4 feedback and it was a Probstein auction.

[KhalDrogo]

Still a very risky buy right now. If his rehab doesn’t go as planned, there’s going to be a second surgery. Then you can push back the return another 3+ months. And what happens if that surgery doesn’t go well either?

Seems like some people don’t understand the downside risk here is that his career is effectively over.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Still a very risky buy right now. If his rehab doesn’t go as planned, there’s going to be a second surgery. Then you can push back the return another 3+ months. And what happens if that surgery doesn’t go well either?

Seems like some people don’t understand the downside risk here is that his career is effectively over.

Upside to downside. Let’s use my favorite Zion card, the One and One rookie.

Last raw copy went for $1632. I’d say it’s floor is like $30. That’s a $1600 loss.

If Zion does come back and competes for MVPs (which was his trajectory) that’s in the realm of $5K IMO. A $3.4K gain.

I can grade it and boost my upside as well.

I’d say the chances of him competing at an MVP level are higher than his career being over. Downside risk definitely exists, but the upside is also still a viable path and probably holds a bit more weight.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Upside to downside. Let’s use my favorite Zion card, the One and One rookie.

Last raw copy went for $1632. I’d say it’s floor is like $30. That’s a $1600 loss.

If Zion does come back and competes for MVPs (which was his trajectory) that’s in the realm of $5K IMO. A $3.4K gain.

I can grade it and boost my upside as well.

I’d say the chances of him competing at an MVP level are higher than his career being over. Downside risk definitely exists, but the upside is also still a viable path and probably holds a bit more weight.

We can have the same conversation we did two months ago. Nothing has changed about this. The “recovery” is going as poorly as I said it could have, and needed to be considered by people buying his stuff.

Partial weight bearing this far out from surgery is bad, bad, bad. We don’t get regular updates because there isn’t anything good to say. End of the season is 3 months away. It’s very difficult to see how he plays this year. And I believe the only reason they haven’t said he’s not coming back is that Zion’s camp doesn’t want that.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

We can have the same conversation we did two months ago. Nothing has changed about this. The “recovery” is going as poorly as I said it could have, and needed to be considered by people buying his stuff.

Partial weight bearing this far out from surgery is bad, bad, bad. We don’t get regular updates because there isn’t anything good to say. End of the season is 3 months away. It’s very difficult to see how he plays this year. And I believe the only reason they haven’t said he’s not coming back is that Zion’s camp doesn’t want that.

I agree with what you’re saying, I just feel like the market has priced this stuff in. His good stuff is barely selling as it is, so you don’t get too many shots at it.

That’s why I can buy a O&O for less than I’ve ever been able to buy one currently. I think most reasonable people assumed he wouldn’t play this year as the Pelicans are dumpster divers.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I agree with what you’re saying, I just feel like the market has priced this stuff in. His good stuff is barely selling as it is, so you don’t get too many shots at it.

That’s why I can buy a O&O for less than I’ve ever been able to buy one currently. I think most reasonable people assumed he wouldn’t play this year as the Pelicans are dumpster divers.

Not going to buy that the market is intelligent enough to price in the real risk that he isn’t ever the same player when people couldn’t comprehend what a setback meant in the fall..