Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards) - Page 36

ThoseBackPages · 01-08-2022, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

The prices of these are slowly falling as more become available. Bowman's Best was never a major set except in 1995 and maybe in 2003. Without the MLBPA logo, I can't see this being considered a MLB card. To me it's no different than Panini and their No Team Logo cards. Sure there will be value but they wont get the respect as the top card no matter what Beckett thinks. 2022 will blow these out of the water with the RC logo.

are you saying his First Topps FLagship Card will retain more "monetary value" than his BB RC?

Archangel1775 · 01-08-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by redauto5

There's Absolutely No Way the flagship base card with the Rookie Logo will have anything close to this alpha considering the insane amount of them being printed.

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

are you saying his First Topps FLagship Card will retain more "monetary value" than his BB RC?

There will be a full year of 2022 Wander RC Logo cards. A few include

Topps Chrome
Topps Chrome Sapphire
Finest Flashbacks
Topps Dynasty

The 21BB will be forgotten about as this poll suggests. What PSA decides as the Rookie Card for the registry will be important down the line but I'm guessing the votes are going to favor 2022. It's cool we are talking about it and what Beckett thinks is interesting but our hobby is full of a new generation of collectors where what they see is more important than what a numbering technicality is.

oplum29 · 01-08-2022, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htn315

1992 Bowman Pedro but that would require you to accept the 1991 UD final edition as the RC which was debated in the 90s

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but it is his rookie isn't it? the 1991 UD card?

k13 · 01-08-2022, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

The prices of these are slowly falling as more become available. Bowman's Best was never a major set except in 1995 and maybe in 2003. Without the MLBPA logo, I can't see this being considered a MLB card. To me it's no different than Panini and their No Team Logo cards. Sure there will be value but they wont get the respect as the top card no matter what Beckett thinks. 2022 will blow these out of the water with the RC logo.

You know 2022 flagship will be $5 raw after two weeks...right.

This card won't be $5 by that time...

Archangel1775 · 01-08-2022, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

You know 2022 flagship will be $5 raw after two weeks...right.

This card won't be $5 by that time...

You guys keep comparing this to the Topps Flagship card. Put it next to his Topps Chrome Sapphire card. Different beast.

htn315 · 01-08-2022, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

but it is his rookie isn't it? the 1991 UD card?

Yeah, I consider it a rookie but some of the older guys put it in the xrc bucket because It was only distributed as a factory set. Don’t know what the hobby settled on and same goes for this, to me this is the rookie, people can call it a trash prospect card all they want but I collect what I like.

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JWBlue · 01-08-2022, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

this is directly from the 2007 Beckett Baseball issue:

"A player's first appearance on a regular issue card from one of the major card companies....With a few exceptions, each player has only one RC in any given set. A rookie card CANNOT be an insert or a parallel card. It can however, be a card is that included in a Rookie Card subset".

Is this the stance of Beckett or the hobby?

So a flagship black parallel is not a rc?

SupermanBrandon · 01-08-2022, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You guys keep comparing this to the Topps Flagship card. Put it next to his Topps Chrome Sapphire card. Different beast.

Sapphire is a much higher quality/hobby favorite release. Can't compare those 2. Not even close. His 21 BB vs his 22 BB is the perfect comp to compare.

Bcr · 01-08-2022, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You guys keep comparing this to the Topps Flagship card. Put it next to his Topps Chrome Sapphire card. Different beast.

I think that's because flagship is usually the first RC. Most of the other premium sets will probably be similar. Sapphire will more than likely be the hottest card of the year.

Archangel1775 · 01-08-2022, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

Fun question: Which 1/1 Superfractor will hold the most value?

2021 Bowmans Best or 2022 Topps Flagship

You mean

2021 Bowman's Best Superfractor or 2022 Topps Chrome Superfractor

I'm going with the (RC)

rfgilles · 01-08-2022, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Sapphire is a much higher quality/hobby favorite release. Can't compare those 2. Not even close. His 21 BB vs his 22 BB is the perfect comp to compare.

I'm putting my money on 21 BB over 22 BB

ThoseBackPages · 01-08-2022, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You guys keep comparing this to the Topps Flagship card. Put it next to his Topps Chrome Sapphire card. Different beast.

well to be fair, the 2022 people keep saying wait until next month

Archangel1775 · 01-08-2022, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Sapphire is a much higher quality/hobby favorite release. Can't compare those 2. Not even close. His 21 BB vs his 22 BB is the perfect comp to compare.

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Originally Posted by Bcr

I think that's because flagship is usually the first RC. Most of the other premium sets will probably be similar. Sapphire will more than likely be the hottest card of the year.

So wait, the narrative changes when you're talking about Wander's BEST 2022 RC logo card versus his SOLE 2021 Bowman's Best Beckett RC?

k13 · 01-08-2022, 07:22 PM

It will be easier for people to schill/manipulate this one rookie than a 30 other sets of 2022.

redauto5 · 01-08-2022, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

well to be fair, the 2022 people keep saying wait until next month

I think the 2022 folks are starting to sweat a little bit - don't think they expected the resistance they've found to their narrative, both here and in the marketplace.

Case in point - the Wander BB50 Blue /150 that sold TODAY for $475. Not Tuesday when there was hardly any inventory around. Today.

I wonder what the Series 1 Flagship /199 red sparkle Wander with the Rookie Logo will fetch? Hmm....

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oplum29 · 01-08-2022, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBlue

Is this the stance of Beckett or the hobby?

So a flagship black parallel is not a rc?

i think they meant that the rookie couldn't be an insert card, like Acuna's "Bat Down" card.

oplum29 · 01-08-2022, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htn315

Yeah, I consider it a rookie but some of the older guys put it in the xrc bucket because It was only distributed as a factory set. Don’t know what the hobby settled on and same goes for this, to me this is the rookie, people can call it a trash prospect card all they want but I collect what I like.

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i think really in the end i guess, because there are so many different brands and the blurred lines between rookies and prospect cards, that collectors will eventually kind of create their own version of what a "rookie" is, or a "true rookie".

i know i got into a good and healthy discussion here on the boards over what was really Joe DiMaggio's rookie, but bottom line, Beckett listed the 39' as his RC because it fell under the definition of what a rookie card was.

it also by no means however, is his most valuable "rookie" card, that falls to his 1936 version, and i believe his 1938 XRC is also worth more.

that being said, i see something similar happening with Franco, where the 2022 cards will be called rookies by collectors and carry more value, but the 2021 will be recognized as the "true rookie".

rangerfan19 · 01-08-2022, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

The prices of these are slowly falling as more become available. Bowman's Best was never a major set except in 1995 and maybe in 2003. Without the MLBPA logo, I can't see this being considered a MLB card. To me it's no different than Panini and their No Team Logo cards. Sure there will be value but they wont get the respect as the top card no matter what Beckett thinks. 2022 will blow these out of the water with the RC logo.

Quite a bit different than a Panini no MLB logo card as this card not only has Wander in a Rays uniform, but it is actually a photo from him playing in a Major League game.

oplum29 · 01-08-2022, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

The prices of these are slowly falling as more become available. Bowman's Best was never a major set except in 1995 and maybe in 2003. Without the MLBPA logo, I can't see this being considered a MLB card. To me it's no different than Panini and their No Team Logo cards. Sure there will be value but they wont get the respect as the top card no matter what Beckett thinks. 2022 will blow these out of the water with the RC logo.

and history i believe, favors your argument.

there's something about that "RC" logo that will draw collectors to his 2022 stuff compared to 2021, despite what Beckett and really what everybody decided back in 2005 of what a rookie card is.

Bcr · 01-08-2022, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by redauto5

I think the 2022 folks are starting to sweat a little bit - don't think they expected the resistance they've found to their narrative, both here and in the marketplace.

Case in point - the Wander BB50 Blue /150 that sold TODAY for $475. Not Tuesday when there was hardly any inventory around. Today.

I wonder what the Series 1 Flagship /199 red sparkle Wander with the Rookie Logo will fetch? Hmm....

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One person bought a card for $475 so the market has spoken. Don't look up at that poll either, nothing to see here..

Shankweather · 01-08-2022, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBlue

Is this the stance of Beckett or the hobby?

So a flagship black parallel is not a rc?

It's not a rookie card. It's a parallel of a rookie card.

oplum29 · 01-08-2022, 07:58 PM

what if Topps did all this to screw with the production of Fanatics?

because if you think about it...2021 BB literally produced rookie cards of:

Franco
Jasson Dominguez
Austin Martin
Julio Rodriguez

those are 4 major players whose rookie cards were going to have a major impact on the baseball card market once they got the call up.

but that's just conspiracy me talking

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-08-2022, 07:58 PM

Me after five days on this thread:

redauto5 · 01-08-2022, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

One person bought a card for $475 so the market has spoken. Don't look up at that poll either, nothing to see here..

Ok, let's look at BIN availability on numbered color BB50's.

There are....wait for it. 5 available BINs on Ebay.

3 Aqua Lava /199's, lowest listed at $450 OBO.

A Blue /150 listed at $700 OBO

And

An Orange /25 listed at $3k OBO.

I guess BB50 Parallel Hunters are going to have to pay up or hope for some auction luck!

But yeah, the market hasn't spoken or anything.

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Shankweather · 01-08-2022, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

what if Topps did all this to screw with the production of Fanatics?

because if you think about it...2021 BB literally produced rookie cards of:

Franco
Jasson Dominguez
Austin Martin
Julio Rodriguez

those are 4 major players whose rookie cards were going to have a major impact on the baseball card market once they got the call up.

but that's just conspiracy me talking

Haha. The OP should edit the first post with a summary of everything that's been discussed... multiple times.

I love 2021 BB!

View Poll Results: Which Wander Franco "RC" are you planning to pick up?!
2021 Bowman's Best only	160	15.53%
2022 RC logo cards only	695	67.48%
Both	175	16.99%
Voters: 1030. You may not vote on this poll

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k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	It will be easier for people to schill/manipulate this one rookie than a 30 other sets of 2022.

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