PSA's Nat Turner: "Tickets are the next big thing, as are type 1 photos" - Page 3

epatmythes · 03-24-2022, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by duron

Agree with the bold, but I’ll always take issue with having to speak things into existence. Won’t this hurt actual ticket collectors?

No. Actual ticket collectors are the one's currently holding the inventory and stand to gain the most. If it hurts anyone, it will hurt the people (sheeple?) that see posts like that and decide to become "actual ticket collectors" today...

Unlike cards which keep getting made and keep coming out with higher prices (manipulated as that may be), tickets are going the opposite direction and are being printed less and less, until eventually everywhere is mobile. Completely different long-term market dynamics.

duron · 03-24-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by epatmythes

No. Actual ticket collectors are the one's currently holding the inventory and stand to gain the most. If it hurts anyone, it will hurt the people (sheeple?) that see posts like that and decide to become "actual ticket collectors" today...

Unlike cards which keep getting made and keep coming out with higher prices (manipulated as that may be), tickets are going the opposite direction and are being printed less and less, until eventually everywhere is mobile. Completely different long-term market dynamics.

Do you see how this stuff forces certain people to look at their collections more as inventory though? It’s not always desired.

gomiamigo · 03-24-2022, 03:02 PM

How on earth is Elon Musk a fraud?

Built a $1 Trillion mkt cap EV car company from scratch, now sending rockets into space and hoping to colonize Mars. He's failed at some things but that's business, not 'fraud.'

Sure, he likes triggering the SEC with humorous tweets, but that's mostly the SEC's fault for pearl-clutching while they let real, massive frauds like Madoff go undetected for decades even as Markopolous was sending them the evidence for almost as long.

grade · 03-24-2022, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gomiamigo

How on earth is Elon Musk a fraud?

Built a $1 Trillion mkt cap EV car company from scratch, now sending rockets into space and hoping to colonize Mars. He's failed at some things but that's business, not 'fraud.'

Sure, he likes triggering the SEC with humorous tweets, but that's mostly the SEC's fault for pearl-clutching while they let real, massive frauds like Madoff go undetected for decades even as Markopolous was sending them the evidence for almost as long.

Not really sure if elon built Tesla from scratch. He marketed the idea of other men .

Usually, people that invent are not rich. The people that are ruthless marketers make money.

Elon has a gift of "talk" and using other people.

montej1695 · 03-24-2022, 04:10 PM

Graded cereal boxes.... YES!!!

grade · 03-24-2022, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by montej1695

Graded cereal boxes.... YES!!!

Graded NFT and Youtube clips. They will find a way.

natsturner · 03-24-2022, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankybox

With the removal of tickets now and everything is digital, as much as I don't like Turner, he is right on that point. I still don't like him though.

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-Nat

Anish · 03-24-2022, 06:36 PM

I think people should start hoarding old newspapers and magazines since they don’t print those anymore either. No more supply = higher future prices, right?

There’s tons of undervalued items out there - ones you guys don’t grade - but tickets are not one of them.

For those who collect tickets for fun, more power to you

derotter · 03-24-2022, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Tickets were neat when the prices matched the niche collectible they were. Now, not so much. People paying more for used tickets than game used shoes and jerseys.

People paying more for game-issued cards or relative 'rare' seral numbered pieces of paper than true memorabilia...

Tickets are cool 'oddballs', but become quite boring when douchebags like Darren Rovell pum up their value

AbraCalabro · 03-24-2022, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by epatmythes

No. Actual ticket collectors are the one's currently holding the inventory and stand to gain the most. If it hurts anyone, it will hurt the people (sheeple?) that see posts like that and decide to become "actual ticket collectors" today...

Unlike cards which keep getting made and keep coming out with higher prices (manipulated as that may be), tickets are going the opposite direction and are being printed less and less, until eventually everywhere is mobile. Completely different long-term market dynamics.

That assumes that ticket collectors are also ready to sell, if they just enjoy the simple fun of collecting tickets, then they're screwed as prices get shot into the next galaxy over.

The same thing was said about cards and now most collectors are effectively priced out as some predicted.

boxbuster7 · 03-24-2022, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by natsturner

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-Nat

Now that we have you here, what is the impetus for your prediction? Tickets and type 1 photographs? I've never even heard of a type 1 photograph until this thread.

duron · 03-24-2022, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

That assumes that ticket collectors are also ready to sell, if they just enjoy the simple fun of collecting tickets, then they're screwed as prices get shot into the next galaxy over.

The same thing was said about cards and now most collectors are effectively priced out as some predicted.

This increasingly continues to be made out as if it’s some myth.

volblorx8634 · 03-24-2022, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duron

This increasingly continues to be made out as if it’s some myth.

Not unlike how it is with cards, is it?

duron · 03-24-2022, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by volblorx8634

Not unlike how it is with cards, is it?

Oh definitely, I left “tickets” unbolded intentionally.

ninjacookies · 03-25-2022, 12:54 AM

Hoping to hit paydirt on my '89 Right Said Fred Iowa State Fair XRC 3. Pop 1. Nunn graded lower.

Keep pumping the good fight, Natty.

hawkfandan · 03-25-2022, 02:20 AM

The fact that Nat appears to be pivoting is telling in and of itself.

Giroux · 03-25-2022, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkfandan

The fact that Nat appears to be pivoting is telling in and of itself.

Did he really say he was pivoting?

JeremyNick · 03-25-2022, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Steve Jobs was a sociopath to say the least and Elon Musk a fraud...to say the least.

Still amazes me that grown men worship these people.

It’s just $$$.

They worship $$$.

Nat, Jobs, Musk all just represent $$$ to them.

2010GBPackers · 03-25-2022, 08:13 AM

While I understand the skepticism of the current spike in prices on graded tickets, there are some real telling quotes in here like, "Nat's pumping them now because PSA just started grading tickets." and "I never heard of a Type 1 photo until this thread." It just goes to show how uninformed people are to the collectibles market as a whole. How can you be SO upset about the price of tickets and photos when you never even knew they were collectibles until March of 2022? People have been collecting these for decades!

Anyway, are tickets and photographs being pumped? Yeah. But, believe it or not, there are collectors out there who have been doing this for decades-plus (raises hand) and enjoy collecting something other than cards. Back in the early 2010's, it was my goal to collect the entire run of the Milwaukee Braves' 1957 World Series full tickets. Finding the stubs is a difficult enough task. Full tickets? Super tough. It was one of the most rewarding collections I was able to assemble (photo below).

I've also owned two of the six PSA 8 Kobe 81-point game full tickets (I still have one), which are super tough.

To be honest, I'd sell my entire collection for an April 15th, 1947 Jackie Robinson debut ticket stub, and would love to have a shot again at Tupac's personal ticket stub from the 1996 Tyson/Seldon fight the night he was murdered in Vegas. Goldin sold that ticket years ago for $24k.

Have pumpers come into this section of the hobby? Absolutely, but there are actual collectors that have been here for years, and believe it or not, there are new entrants into this sector who want to collect something other than cards. There's no need to get so upset about it.

I only pull for · 03-25-2022, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by natsturner

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-Nat

Just curious why your stance on up-charges changed? Seems like since you bought PSA -- I've been forced to grab my ankles a lot more often. You seemed to disagree with the forced ankle grab from PSA -- not that long ago.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1285177

hawkfandan · 03-25-2022, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Giroux

Did he really say he was pivoting?

Pivot to hype man. When has he ever hyped a next “big thing”? His thing has always been that he’s a collector.

the mesiah · 03-25-2022, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by I only pull for

Just curious why your stance on up-charges changed? Seems like since you bought PSA -- I've been forced to grab my ankles a lot more often. You seemed to disagree with the forced ankle grab from PSA -- not that long ago.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1285177

AbraCalabro · 03-25-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by I only pull for

Just curious why your stance on up-charges changed? Seems like since you bought PSA -- I've been forced to grab my ankles a lot more often. You seemed to disagree with the forced ankle grab from PSA -- not that long ago.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1285177

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Originally Posted by the mesiah

AbraCalabro · 03-25-2022, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It’s just $$$.

They worship $$$.

Nat, Jobs, Musk all just represent $$$ to them.

No disagreement there. Some of the stuff I've seen on IG is vomit inducing. The advanced level of groveling is pathetic.

grade · 03-25-2022, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by I only pull for

Just curious why your stance on up-charges changed? Seems like since you bought PSA -- I've been forced to grab my ankles a lot more often. You seemed to disagree with the forced ankle grab from PSA -- not that long ago.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1285177

WoW....

03-24-2022, 03:02 PM	#53
gomiamigo Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: in your head Posts: 10,954 esmoney gomiamigo	How on earth is Elon Musk a fraud? Built a $1 Trillion mkt cap EV car company from scratch, now sending rockets into space and hoping to colonize Mars. He's failed at some things but that's business, not 'fraud.' Sure, he likes triggering the SEC with humorous tweets, but that's mostly the SEC's fault for pearl-clutching while they let real, massive frauds like Madoff go undetected for decades even as Markopolous was sending them the evidence for almost as long. __________________ IG: KevinDurant35Cards

03-24-2022, 04:10 PM	#55
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03-24-2022, 06:36 PM	#58
Anish Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 917	I think people should start hoarding old newspapers and magazines since they don’t print those anymore either. No more supply = higher future prices, right? There’s tons of undervalued items out there - ones you guys don’t grade - but tickets are not one of them. For those who collect tickets for fun, more power to you __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/140288876@N04/albums IG: anishfutbol

03-25-2022, 12:54 AM	#65
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,544	Hoping to hit paydirt on my '89 Right Said Fred Iowa State Fair XRC 3. Pop 1. Nunn graded lower. Keep pumping the good fight, Natty. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

03-25-2022, 08:13 AM	#69
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,168	While I understand the skepticism of the current spike in prices on graded tickets, there are some real telling quotes in here like, "Nat's pumping them now because PSA just started grading tickets." and "I never heard of a Type 1 photo until this thread." It just goes to show how uninformed people are to the collectibles market as a whole. How can you be SO upset about the price of tickets and photos when you never even knew they were collectibles until March of 2022? People have been collecting these for decades! Anyway, are tickets and photographs being pumped? Yeah. But, believe it or not, there are collectors out there who have been doing this for decades-plus (raises hand) and enjoy collecting something other than cards. Back in the early 2010's, it was my goal to collect the entire run of the Milwaukee Braves' 1957 World Series full tickets. Finding the stubs is a difficult enough task. Full tickets? Super tough. It was one of the most rewarding collections I was able to assemble (photo below). I've also owned two of the six PSA 8 Kobe 81-point game full tickets (I still have one), which are super tough. To be honest, I'd sell my entire collection for an April 15th, 1947 Jackie Robinson debut ticket stub, and would love to have a shot again at Tupac's personal ticket stub from the 1996 Tyson/Seldon fight the night he was murdered in Vegas. Goldin sold that ticket years ago for $24k. Have pumpers come into this section of the hobby? Absolutely, but there are actual collectors that have been here for years, and believe it or not, there are new entrants into this sector who want to collect something other than cards. There's no need to get so upset about it. __________________ "And more and more and more and more And more of less than ever before It's just too much more for your mind to absorb" - Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) Instagram: 2010gbpackers

03-25-2022, 02:20 AM	#66
hawkfandan Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 549	The fact that Nat appears to be pivoting is telling in and of itself.