Altered Mcdavid cup rc 29/99 PSA 10 on auction by PWCC

[forest]

Originally Posted by Italy61587

I think you're still missing part of the big picture. The grade is a huge part of the price. PSA graded it a perfect 10. This card was clearly altered.

Yes it's just a card, but a card someone was willing to pay 200K for. This is fraud and people go to jail for this kind of stuff

Don't see how it can be a crime to submit a trimmed card for grading. People can do whatever they want with their cards, and PSA can grade their cards however they want. Is there a law that says you can't alter the edges of a piece of collectible cardboard? What exactly would be illegal in this process?

[Italy61587]

Originally Posted by forest

Don't see how it can be a crime to submit a trimmed card for grading. People can do whatever they want with their cards, and PSA can grade their cards however they want. Is there a law that says you can't alter the edges of a piece of collectible cardboard? What exactly would be illegal in this process?

When you trim a card to send in for grading with the the intent to dupe an authenticator for monetary gain, This is fraud.

Then when you dupe people with big pockets and money to take your to court...I'm pretty sure I lawyer could find something wrong with that.

[NotGoSportsBall]

For what it’s worth; I am in law enforcement and while it is technically fraud, a prosecutor also has to take into account jury appeal. I personally know at least one prosecutor who balked at the idea of pressing fraud charges against one trimmer who made more than a million dollars because there was a good chance the jury wouldn’t think the case was worth their time and could acquit.

The FBI guy in Chicago has a unique situation because he has a prosecutor wiling to take on these types of cases. Not every district does.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

Originally Posted by forest

If that's how you feel about it, that's fine, I just personally don't care. If I was in the position to drop that amount of money on a card, I don't think .001 centimeters off the top edge of the card would bother me one bit. I would still own the card and that's all that matters. That's probably how the person that bought this feels.

But you would care, especially if you lost a ton of money down the road. Look at that altered 2009 NT RPA of Steph Curry that recently sold for only $168,000 USD. Do you know how much unaltered examples are selling for these days? Close to a million. This is what happens when somebody chops up a card. He makes his quick buck and gets the hell outta' there as quickly as he can, but now somebody else has that card, and he will have to suffer the consequences after it gets 'outed.' Trimming is wrong, period.

[Giroux]

#1 on the latest High Rollers vid



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y81QNW5E3d4

[mwdonald]

Update: PSA has removed this card from their certification verification and population report. If anyone has or can get some details on this decision from PSA that would be great.

[mallowciraptor]

Originally Posted by mwdonald

Update: PSA has removed this card from their certification verification and population report. If anyone has or can get some details on this decision from PSA that would be great.

PSA gives us plenty of opportunities to dunk on them, but I applaud this move by them.

[Giroux]

https://mobile.twitter.com/eBay/stat...77096854106112

[HeyRelaxGuy]

Originally Posted by mwdonald

Update: PSA has removed this card from their certification verification and population report. If anyone has or can get some details on this decision from PSA that would be great.

It has not been removed.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/27604015

[Shmuffalo]

Originally Posted by mwdonald

Update: PSA has removed this card from their certification verification and population report. If anyone has or can get some details on this decision from PSA that would be great.

Where did you see this? Posted above and showing for me in both general pop consensus and with the cert.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by Shmuffalo

Where did you see this? Posted above and showing for me in both general pop consensus and with the cert.

I can confirm the link was not working when he posted that.

Now it is and the card has an auto grade added:

https://www.psacard.com/cert/27604015

[mwdonald]

It has again been removed from the pop report but not the certification verification lookup. Back down to 2 psa 10's in the pop report. I don't know what is happening with their system lately.

[mwdonald]

The card is now for sale in pwcc marketplace.

For a brief time in August the card was removed from the pop report and the certification verification. Seems like they were in agreement that the card was altered.

But after the recent addition of the auto to the grade, the card was added back into the certification verification (but not the pop report).

I wonder if the owner saw that the certification verification was removed so they sent it back to psa to add the auto grade? That way it would get added back into the certification verification and bypass any altered card checks because only the auto was to be graded? My question would then be, if they thought the card was altered by removing it from their system then they should have refused to add an auto grade.

[DragonWagon]

This is why you always have to do your own research. You can't trust just the slab anymore. https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by mwdonald

The card is now for sale in pwcc marketplace.



For a brief time in August the card was removed from the pop report and the certification verification. Seems like they were in agreement that the card was altered.



But after the recent addition of the auto to the grade, the card was added back into the certification verification (but not the pop report).



I wonder if the owner saw that the certification verification was removed so they sent it back to psa to add the auto grade? That way it would get added back into the certification verification and bypass any altered card checks because only the auto was to be graded? My question would then be, if they thought the card was altered by removing it from their system then they should have refused to add an auto grade.

I'm not exactly sure how PSA does it, but does adding the PSA/DNA auto grade put it into a different category than just a 10 and remove it from the normal pop report?

It shows as a pop 1 on the PSA app as it's the only entry in the PSA/DNA database. Was never a fan of this for 10/10 cards as it's somewhat misleading.

[valleynuckfan]

Any chance that PSA would ever keep the cert # in the general pop report with a note disclaiming the grade and noted as "Altered Authentic"?
I fear not!
As stated above by Giroux it is misleading when it shows up in the PSA/DNA data base as a "10" but not in the general pop report.

[auburn35]

This McDavid is on the market again, and it sounds like psa is still unwilling/unable to see the alteration.