2022 Topps Chrome Logofractor!

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

For starters, here's you being wrong thinking these wouldn't re-sell well.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=5769

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=5749

Dumping on another product?! What a dumper!

When some BO members tried to encourage others to take advantage of a great opportunity (great product for a great price), Khal/Hermano tried to discourage it by dumping on the product because of their own agenda.

It's a shame that they don't really care about the BO community and only care for negativity and lies. Pathetic.

Wow, this is so easy to do but it doesn't feel good to be like Khal/Hermano. I'll just enjoy my hobby!

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Exactly why I elected to sell my boxes. However, you also can't ignore the monsters lurking in these boxes... Rose Gold 1/1 Julio is an absolutely massive card. Then you have Cruz and Wander who have two 1/1s and then Super autos for misc players.

At MSRP this will go down as one of the best products this year.

At MSRP, this is absolutely one of the best products of the year! No questions about it!

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Touche! I was wrong about the immediate flip.

Not the first time and won't be the last time.

Originally Posted by The Accountant

If that's any implication, I wonder what percentage of those 32k posts you were wrong in

You don't want to know!

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

Wanna go on record for the mid and long term flip?

P.S. Congrats on 32k posts.

Hahahaha!

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

At MSRP, this is absolutely one of the best products of the year! No questions about it!

This makes me sad though. A $50 mega box becoming product of the year does not bode well for hopes of ever returning to anything that resembles reasonable wax pricing.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

This makes me sad though. A $50 mega box becoming product of the year does not bode well for hopes of ever returning to anything that resembles reasonable wax pricing.

Prices on sealed wax are softening, just much, much slower than then they rose. And much much slower than the singles market is falling.

This is a factor of a million things, but one of them is that Topps got bought out at the peak of hype, and Fanatics is scurrying to figure how to make this, now very large, part of their business long term profitable. IE, they bought Bellinger (or substitute like player) at Peak, and now are still trying to turn a profit off what they bought.

A year ago, this would have been offered at $149.99, I'm confident of that. Topps/Fanatics is trying to find the spot where they can still get mass buy in directly. This hobby will still look much different in 5 years, and I cant nor wont predict which direction it will go anymore, because it could go a million different ways.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

This makes me sad though. A $50 mega box becoming product of the year does not bode well for hopes of ever returning to anything that resembles reasonable wax pricing.

yea, $25 for a pack of chrome cards is pretty silly

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

This makes me sad though. A $50 mega box becoming product of the year does not bode well for hopes of ever returning to anything that resembles reasonable wax pricing.

Haha, I understand but you never know what the future holds.

On the bright side, at least baseball wax prices aren't anything like basketball/football. Now that'd be really sad.

[Frankp2311]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

This makes me sad though. A $50 mega box becoming product of the year does not bode well for hopes of ever returning to anything that resembles reasonable wax pricing.

2022 Topps Chrome is just an introductory transition on how the hobby will be under fanatics going forward. Just a small foreshadowing. Don’t expect hobby and jumbo to be home runs. Screw the hobby shop we have other outlets. The best product form may only be found in select retail stores. Even longer odds on good hits than have been seen historically. The most loaded boxes are exclusive to Topps.com and we won’t ship them until everything else flatlines to revive the appetite (my person prediction on Lite). And a middle finger to retail buyers.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Prices on sealed wax are softening, just much, much slower than then they rose. And much much slower than the singles market is falling.

This is a factor of a million things, but one of them is that Topps got bought out at the peak of hype, and Fanatics is scurrying to figure how to make this, now very large, part of their business long term profitable. IE, they bought Bellinger (or substitute like player) at Peak, and now are still trying to turn a profit off what they bought.

A year ago, this would have been offered at $149.99, I'm confident of that. Topps/Fanatics is trying to find the spot where they can still get mass buy in directly. This hobby will still look much different in 5 years, and I cant nor wont predict which direction it will go anymore, because it could go a million different ways.

100%.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, $25 for a pack of chrome cards is pretty silly

Not as silly as a $1000 2-card pack of 2019-20 Panini One and One Basketball Hobby.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Not as silly as a $1000 2-card pack of 2019-20 Panini One and One Basketball Hobby.

WHOA! that is crazy!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Dumping on another product?! What a dumper!

When some BO members tried to encourage others to take advantage of a great opportunity (great product for a great price), Khal/Hermano tried to discourage it by dumping on the product because of their own agenda.

It's a shame that they don't really care about the BO community and only care for negativity and lies. Pathetic.

Wow, this is so easy to do but it doesn't feel good to be like Khal/Hermano. I'll just enjoy my hobby!



At MSRP, this is absolutely one of the best products of the year! No questions about it!



Not the first time and won't be the last time.



You don't want to know!



Hahahaha!

Wow, now you’ve stooped to serious fraudulent accusation level.

Those links show khal dogging the product, please show some evidence where I’ve knocked the product, please.

I’ve always maintained this was a good product to get at msrp.

You are now trying to discredit my name with more lies because I revealed how you are truly a fraudster, pretending to be interested in cards but simply pumping your own agendas to make money.

We see through you - your true colors have been revealed.

Simply pathetic.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

I don't disagree with this. We are the select few that do know better though and it's what makes things so frustrating. I'd love for things to go back to a pre-2018 environment for our hobby, but I don't ever see that happening.

However, Logofractor was an exception to this new rule, and if you were smart enough, you would of identified this right away given the information we had early on.

It's all a risk/reward balance.

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't like the Logofractor design. So this wasn't a product I would ever be interested in ripping. At $4100/case shipped, this is what the profit would look like for me.

$4100/case revenue
less $2200/case cost after taxes + shipping
less $529.20 eBay fees
less $150 FedEx Express (have to Express anything >$2500 for my insurance)

Net $1220.80 pre-tax. Less 35% tax = $793.52. A nice return, but not worth the downside risk and time to me.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Not as silly as a $1000 2-card pack of 2019-20 Panini One and One Basketball Hobby.

To be fair, it was 900 then 700 then 600 preorder and 475-500 for less than 24 hours after release. Just like LF you needed to have taken the plunge on faith before any breaks showed up.

[UncleFace]

Ha-Ha "Time"

You are one of a kind man. Talking about how something isn't worth your time, but you are posting angrily on a internet message board 24/7

Seems like you have plenty of time and thats putting it lightly.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

WHOA! that is crazy!

Right?!

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Wow, now you’ve stooped to serious fraudulent accusation level.

Those links show khal dogging the product, please show some evidence where I’ve knocked the product, please.

I’ve always maintained this was a good product to get at msrp.

You are now trying to discredit my name with more lies because I revealed how you are truly a fraudster, pretending to be interested in cards but simply pumping your own agendas to make money.

We see through you - your true colors have been revealed.

Simply pathetic.

Although you've dumped on many other products, I'll admit that I was wrong in stating that you dumped on this product. I apologize for that.

You made a "serious fraudulent accusation" in stating that I don't care about cards and only care about money. You might not be aware but I use wax (from a flip standpoint) as a means of building capital to accrue other PC cards/wax.

Also interesting to note is that I've shared my PC cards/wax and wax breaks on BO many times but you haven't shared much of your cards/wax breaks. I've also helped a number of BO members with various needs over the years. I don't think I've ever seen you do anything for the community other than complain and lash out at members.

Why does someone who doesn't really participate in the hobby keep attacking those who do? Weird. But you do you!

[Phoneboy]

busted 20 boxes...
1 JRod
1 Abrams
1 Nootsbar auto
1 Yordan Orange auto

didn't bother with the base packs, but will open eventually.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by UncleFace

Ha-Ha "Time"

You are one of a kind man. Talking about how something isn't worth your time, but you are posting angrily on a internet message board 24/7

Seems like you have plenty of time and thats putting it lightly.

I do this for fun. Not to make money.

In this environment, it takes a no brainer opportunity to make a decent return if I'm going to deploy any cash. Otherwise it's sitting on the sidelines with SPY and AAPL options when the market is overbought or oversold. I've grown lazy over the years. Would much rather click a couple of buttons than have to list items on eBay. I already have to do enough of that as I get rid of all the excess crap I've accumulated over the years.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It's all a risk/reward balance.

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't like the Logofractor design. So this wasn't a product I would ever be interested in ripping. At $4100/case shipped, this is what the profit would look like for me.

$4100/case revenue
less $2200/case cost after taxes + shipping
less $529.20 eBay fees
less $150 FedEx Express (have to Express anything >$2500 for my insurance)

Net $1220.80 pre-tax. Less 35% tax = $793.52. A nice return, but not worth the downside risk and time to me.

35% ROI for 30 minutes of your time isn't worth it? Lots of things have been said here for and against the product, but this one probably takes the cake. I would venture a guess to say yes, it was worth your time. You just didn't see the upside.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

To be fair, it was 900 then 700 then 600 preorder and 475-500 for less than 24 hours after release. Just like LF you needed to have taken the plunge on faith before any breaks showed up.

Very true. Out of curiosity, do you remember what the peak price of the product was? Somewhere in the $1500-$1700 range?

That's a product that I initially passed on and wished I picked up a box for the PC (or maybe multiple boxes so I could move a couple to reduce/cover initial buy-in cost then hold 1 and rip 1).

I'll say one thing, I think One & One has one of the best looking base cards out there. Not to mention, the chase cards (e.g., Timeless Moments, Downtown, etc).

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Right?!



Although you've dumped on many other products, I'll admit that I was wrong in stating that you dumped on this product. I apologize for that.

You made a "serious fraudulent accusation" in stating that I don't care about cards and only care about money. You might not be aware but I use wax (from a flip standpoint) as a means of building capital to accrue other PC cards/wax.

Also interesting to note is that I've shared my PC cards/wax and wax breaks on BO many times but you haven't shared much of your cards/wax breaks. I've also helped a number of BO members with various needs over the years. I don't think I've ever seen you do anything for the community other than complain and lash out at members.

Why does someone who doesn't really participate in the hobby keep attacking those who do? Weird. But you do you!

I’ve saved other BO members from making big financial mistakes listening to posters with their own agendas, ie pumpers.

Your reputation is only as good as your word here.

Many will view your opinions with skepticism from now on as your comments only serve to push your own financial interests.

As I’ve started before, I prefer that people who make comments disclose their investment holdings so that people can make their own decisions about how valid another member’s opinions are.

People can clearly see you are biased here.

As for sharing breaks, please see the basketball card section, I’ve pulled a nice card recently. I’m not spamming, I’ve already moved it to a buddy of mine who’s a fan. I also shared my pulls on a sealed case of 2021 topps chrome anniversary in the thread. I’m actually quite active with my hobby and I still break a lot of wax by myself.

And to set the record straight, I’ve dumped on two things here in the past several years with serious passion - 2022 topps chrome hobby/jumbo presales and Tatis jr.

And I’ve been correct on both.

[Funkster]

Lol a popular whatnot handle is ripping these for 135 a box.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Phoneboy

busted 20 boxes...
1 JRod
1 Abrams
1 Nootsbar auto
1 Yordan Orange auto

didn't bother with the base packs, but will open eventually.

Congratulations, not only did you beat the odds (2 RC SPs), you hit the JRod RC SP and an orange Yordan auto!!!

Share some pics?

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by premium1981

35% ROI for 30 minutes of your time isn't worth it? Lots of things have been said here for and against the product, but this one probably takes the cake. I would venture a guess to say yes, it was worth your time. You just didn't see the upside.

YES, Even Better return to just sell it local to a Flipper/Dealer at a show. Need to build that Local Seller Bridge to move wax for better. ROI at 55-60%, if you do not deal with EBAY Fees, and shipping.

And that is at Today's rates.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Funkster

Lol a popular whatnot handle is ripping these for 135 a box.

What's the username?

[Funkster]

kksportscards

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by jjcan

YES, Even Better return to just sell it local to a Flipper/Dealer at a show. Need to build that Local Seller Bridge to move wax for better. ROI at 55-60%, if you do not deal with EBAY Fees, and shipping.

And that is at Today's rates.

For sure. There are much better ways to move wax than ebay. But that was the example he used so I went with it. So even selling on the worst wax platform there was still huge upside. To say it isn't worth the time of anyone here is just silly.

[UncleFace]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I do this for fun. Not to make money.

In this environment, it takes a no brainer opportunity to make a decent return if I'm going to deploy any cash. Otherwise it's sitting on the sidelines with SPY and AAPL options when the market is overbought or oversold. I've grown lazy over the years. Would much rather click a couple of buttons than have to list items on eBay. I already have to do enough of that as I get rid of all the excess crap I've accumulated over the years.

I hear ya there. I rarely ever sell anything either unless it's too crazy not to.