Gold Glove Finalists - Page 2

brios8 · 10-20-2022, 04:41 PM

No Keston Hiura?

rngrdanny22 · 10-20-2022, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

Have you watched Vlad play first? His 10 errors are excessive for the position, but he makes plays.

He also was pegged as the top defensive first baseman in a Baseball America vote a couple months back.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...s-best-talent/

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I agree his defense has improved, but still has -0.6 dWAR. Same as Goldy though, so there's that.

whitmm · 10-20-2022, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

Have you watched Vlad play first? His 10 errors are excessive for the position, but he makes plays.

He also was pegged as the top defensive first baseman in a Baseball America vote a couple months back.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...s-best-talent/

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They also said Josh Hader was the best reliever in the NL, so...

awz50 · 10-20-2022, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteD

No joke, Vladdy's D now is GG worthy. Gets down into the splits effortlessly for a big guy like an NHL goalie. Chapman is a brick wall at 3'rd.

Vlads 10 errors don't lie

clocsta2323 · 10-20-2022, 05:13 PM

cue all the losers talking about UZR and dWAR and every other stat you can create to tell the story you want to tell.

jrosales · 10-20-2022, 05:37 PM

Jose Trevino deserves it

cardozo · 10-21-2022, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Where's Luis Robert?

He wasn’t defensively solid like the past two years, injuries didn’t help either, fully expecting him to be back in the conversation next season.

rwperu34 · 10-21-2022, 01:10 AM

Five D'backs plus one former D'back on this list. That's crazy to me.

Daulton Varsho is an interesting case. He has improved immensely since he first started playing in the OF and his OAA is off the charts, but he still makes too many bone headed plays.

The fact that mediocre David Peralta is on the list (and already has a GG) makes me wonder if it's a park factor or if these guys have somehow figured out how to game the system?

Thomas is legit though. I expect next year the D'backs have a finalist for all three OF positions with the addition of Corbin Carroll in LF.

Centauri3 · 10-21-2022, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Looking exclusively at positions where the Guardians are finalists, because that's all I care about...

AL Pitcher: I really don't have an opinion
AL 2B: Slight lean to Gimenez over Schoop, Semien a distance third.
AL 3B: Big gap between Urias and Ramirez/Chapman
AL LF: Kwan running away, no one else in the stratosphere
AL CF: Jose Siri should've been a finalist over Mullins; I'd probably pick Straw over Taylor looking at the numbers, but both are deserving.

Pretty cool to see this level of respect. Clearly the league is impressed with the Guardians defense.

Hollywood42 · 10-21-2022, 07:08 AM

Hoping Berrios gets it, he's been deserving for a few years now. Not really sure how Arraez is a finalist, but we'll take it!

SGC300ier · 10-21-2022, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Vlads 10 errors don't lie

He really only had 9. Remember when his glove decided to fall apart? haha I'm kidding. I don't even know if they ruled that an error.

JeremyNick · 10-21-2022, 08:24 AM

Unless Arenado and McMahon removed their gloves while the ball was in play to get some sunflower seeds, they should not get the golden glove over Hayes.

That’s balls, talent and hubris all jumbled up. Probably with other things too.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cu...run-scores?amp

padremurph · 10-21-2022, 11:21 AM

The fact that manny isn’t even a finalist is ridiculous

lambeauleap87 · 10-21-2022, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by padremurph

The fact that manny isn’t even a finalist is ridiculous

He had a negative DRS, RngR, and UZR while also trailing the three NL finalists in outs above average and dWAR. I've always liked Manny, but his metrics don't hold up to the other guys that are finalists in the NL.

StateEx · 10-21-2022, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

Soto should not be anywhere near a Gold Glove.

Nope. He'd misplay it off the wall.

Skipscards · 10-21-2022, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I agree his defense has improved, but still has -0.6 dWAR. Same as Goldy though, so there's that.

dWAR for 1st base is meaningless when rating a 1st baseman's defense. Vlad has definitely been great at 1st this year, but I don't think there any way Rizzo isn't the winner.

Skipscards · 10-21-2022, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

Soto should not be anywhere near a Gold Glove.

Soto also was pretty great in RF this year. I think he led the league in putouts. But this is 100% Betts' gold glove. He was insane out there.

jjcan · 10-21-2022, 01:34 PM

I hope Ha-Seong Kim gets the Glove!

Imagine he was not even suppose to play there most of the time but Fernando had to Nando.

Great year for him!

eye4talent · 10-21-2022, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I agree his defense has improved, but still has -0.6 dWAR. Same as Goldy though, so there's that.

I’m generally not a fan of WAR, and my opinion is even lower for dWAR. The way it’s calculated, or adjusted, nearly all first basemen end up with a negative dWAR. That alone is misleading.

Heck, Keith Hernandez was a wizard at first, and he had a career 0.6 dWAR.

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netmasters · 10-21-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Juan Soto?

I think voters got confused and thought being in the 1st percentile in outs above average was a good thing.

Seriously out of a whole list of bad candidates Soto is by far the worst. He was last in outs above average.

StlScott · 10-21-2022, 04:32 PM

Edman gonna win 3.

second, utility, and platinum!

PejaD · 10-21-2022, 04:44 PM

Gold Gloves are one of the few awards where the decision is largely based on manager/coaches votes. I feel some of the more "old school" ones ignore the sabermetrics and vote with reputation or even side on cronyism.

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10-21-2022, 01:10 AM	#33
rwperu34 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 8,396	Five D'backs plus one former D'back on this list. That's crazy to me. Daulton Varsho is an interesting case. He has improved immensely since he first started playing in the OF and his OAA is off the charts, but he still makes too many bone headed plays. The fact that mediocre David Peralta is on the list (and already has a GG) makes me wonder if it's a park factor or if these guys have somehow figured out how to game the system? Thomas is legit though. I expect next year the D'backs have a finalist for all three OF positions with the addition of Corbin Carroll in LF. __________________ Me: Did I win? Gixen: Yes. You won. Now you're broke.

10-21-2022, 07:08 AM	#35
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10-21-2022, 04:44 PM	#47
PejaD Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 4,071	Gold Gloves are one of the few awards where the decision is largely based on manager/coaches votes. I feel some of the more "old school" ones ignore the sabermetrics and vote with reputation or even side on cronyism. Last edited by PejaD; 10-21-2022 at 04:48 PM.

10-20-2022, 04:41 PM	#26
brios8 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: South Padre Island, TX Posts: 6,992 brios8 brios8	No Keston Hiura?

10-20-2022, 05:13 PM	#30
clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,876	cue all the losers talking about UZR and dWAR and every other stat you can create to tell the story you want to tell.

10-21-2022, 08:24 AM	#37
JeremyNick Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 22,801	Unless Arenado and McMahon removed their gloves while the ball was in play to get some sunflower seeds, they should not get the golden glove over Hayes. That’s balls, talent and hubris all jumbled up. Probably with other things too. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cu...run-scores?amp

10-21-2022, 11:21 AM	#38
padremurph Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,901 lakermurph	The fact that manny isn’t even a finalist is ridiculous

10-21-2022, 01:34 PM	#43
jjcan Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,354	I hope Ha-Seong Kim gets the Glove! Imagine he was not even suppose to play there most of the time but Fernando had to Nando. Great year for him!