The Weirdly Wonderful Seneca Wallace Small Talk Chit Chat Talkin' Topics Thread

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I really don't think a lot of these "everything I don't like is virtue signaling" people are thinking these things through.

I personally attach meaning and importance to things like singing the National Anthem and respecting highway shutdowns for first responder funerals...

...but using the criteria that a lot of people are throwing around, these kinds of things would also be considered "virtue signaling."

Here's the definition again since a few of you don't seem to know what it is.

the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

Your examples would only be virtue signaling if you were doing them not out of respect or desire but because someone is pushing you to do it or it's a perceived moral righteousness and/or because of that push or perceived moral righteousness, you brag about doing it to get something in return or as not to fall victim to being shamed by those pushing it.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

More often than not, the issue isn’t the issue, it’s people insistence on forcing their beliefs and thoughts into spaces they shouldn’t be.

I’m a very staunch Christian, with very strong beliefs on controversial issues. I have no issues discussing those with people across the spectrum of beliefs. I also respect that others can and will have different beliefs and try to give them space to have theirs.

If you truly have issues with eating/smelling meat, having a house in suburbia with neighbors and backyards is likely not the place for you, unfortunately.

Isn't that the whole purpose of the "outing" sellers who put stuff online for sale after Hamlin's tragedy thread? Weren't certain people here forcing their beliefs and then shaming people who took the opposite stance? I mean it's commonplace on a lot of BO threads.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Here's the definition again since a few of you don't seem to know what it is.

Your examples would only be virtue signaling if you were doing them not out of respect or desire but because someone is pushing you to do it or it's a perceived moral righteousness and/or because of that push or perceived moral righteousness, you brag about doing it to get something in return or as not to fall victim to being shamed by those pushing it.

Once again Tritty, even the definition you've posted takes it back to the intentions of the person making the statement.

You've been condemning people and actions constantly across these threads as if you already know the intentions of everyone who makes a donation or wears an "I gave blood" t-shirt.

That's where you're going off-track.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

You wouldn't believe how many university events never happen because the planning committees realize they won't be able to provide a dozen different meal options specifically tailored to all the dietary demands of people.

Not including at least a vegan and a gluten-free food option is seen as a major faux pas in this social environment.

And Lord help you if someone sees you eating Chick-Fil-A.

And to me, this is one of the things wrong with our society. Now if you have a food allergy, that's one thing. Here's an option. You don't like what's on the menu, don't go or if it is mandatory, don't eat; eat beforehand or afterwards.

It brings me back to the story when I was in bootcamp and we were allowed to be "adopted" for Christmas since I was almost done with my training. The people who adopted me served ham. I HATE ham. But I ate a slice along with the slides because they were nice enough to open their home to a sailor in bootcamp on Christmas.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

You wouldn't believe how many university events never happen because the planning committees realize they won't be able to provide a dozen different meal options specifically tailored to all the dietary demands of people.

Not including at least a vegan and a gluten-free food option is seen as a major faux pas in this social environment.

And Lord help you if someone sees you eating Chick-Fil-A.

It’s pretty sad it has gotten to that point. I used to smoke but I was considerate of when and where I smoked as yes second hand smoke is a thing. What sucks is you can be considered offensive by some when most everyone else thinks you are doing nothing wrong. Here is an interesting way I tend to look at the vegan issue, regular restaurants have started to include vegan meals to give them an option but has a vegan restaurant ever had meat options on their menu for non-vegans. Frenzy I know if anybody can you could find a vegan restaurant that serves meat but save yourself the search as in Mississippi there aren’t enough vegans to fill a schoolbus.

[TheFrenzy]

It would be easy for me to assume that a lot of people who sing the National Anthem are just doing it to look good or avoid being hassled, but I'd just look like an ass if I made the blanket assumption that everyone singing was just virtue signaling.

Likewise, it's easy to assume that people who publicly support police and first responders are virtue signaling in a tribal sense. Super easy.

But it would be wrong. A lot of people are genuinely grateful for their service and sacrifice (myself included).

That's the point here.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Isn't that the whole purpose of the "outing" sellers who put stuff online for sale after Hamlin's tragedy thread? Weren't certain people here forcing their beliefs and then shaming people who took the opposite stance? I mean it's commonplace on a lot of BO threads.

No.

Some people want to avoid those type of sellers. The thread itself is a place for those people.

It’s the exact opposite of what you just posited because no one needed to discuss why they felt it was ok, in a thread about outing those sellers. But the internet and BO doesn’t work that way, so we argue.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Christmas 2019 (right before COVID), we were invited to a dinner party at a faculty members home. I cooked up a pot of my Southern-style chicken and honey-butter dumplings soup.

I'm pretty sure everyone here can imagine the kind of down-home ingredients that go into a pot like that.

It was a hit (not virtue signaling here) until someone actually asked "is there dairy in this?"

I had to awkwardly explain to a room full of Ivy-League-educated people what "comfort food" was and that this was a dish loaded with dairy, gluten, fat, meat, etc.

The weirdest part was watching the moral dilemma play out on the faces of everyone as they had to decide between a delicious dish and keeping up their social appearance as someone with strict dietary principles. About half of them kept eating.

That soup sounds awesome. What’s funny is my wife and mother sneak things into food and if I knew it were in there I never would’ve tried some meals that I have come to love. Ricky Nelson said it best in Garden Party, you see you can’t please everyone so you got to please yourself.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Once again Tritty, even the definition you've posted takes it back to the intentions of the person making the statement.

You've been condemning people and actions constantly across these threads as if you already know the intentions of everyone who makes a donation or wears an "I gave blood" t-shirt.

That's where you're going off-track.

I think your intentions are pretty clear when you let it be known who you are donating to; especially a corporation. There is nothing that says you can't share a donation link without telling the world you have donated. I do this often for first responder causes.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I think your intentions are pretty clear when you let it be known who you are donating to; especially a corporation. There is nothing that says you can't share a donation link without telling the world you have donated. I do this often for first responder causes.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

No.

Some people want to avoid those type of sellers. The thread itself is a place for those people.

It’s the exact opposite of what you just posited because no one needed to discuss why they felt it was ok, in a thread about outing those sellers. But the internet and BO doesn’t work that way, so we argue.

Maybe you all need a PM group for those morally prefect people than. Maybe instead of an outing thread every time an athlete dies and people sell stuff (because this happens with every one), BO should have a thread that you can add your username into to receive PMs and someone keeps the PM seller list updated.

Like I said in the thread, you're scum if you put anything in the listing about tragedy or death. But if you're just selling stuff you would normally want to sell anyway at a time you know you are going to get the most money for, who cares. Everyone who has something to sell wants to maximize the profit of that sale. If you don't I don't know why you are selling stuff.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I think your intentions are pretty clear when you let it be known who you are donating to; especially a corporation. There is nothing that says you can't share a donation link without telling the world you have donated. I do this often for first responder causes.

Virtue signaling has different meanings to different people, was me being addicted to Tagalongs cookies virtue signaling my support for the girlscouts or my love for those delicious tagalong cookies.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Not sure how. I didn't list specific funds I donated to. If anyone in here didn't know I would give money to military or first responder fund drives or tragedies, I'm not sure you've been reading my posts on what is important to me.

Besides, my wife and I give to other causes, but I'm not listing those either.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Virtue signaling has different meanings to different people, was me being addicted to Tagalongs cookies virtue signaling my support for the girlscouts or my love for those delicious tagalong cookies.

Words and phrases have agreed upon definitions.

And no, you are just addicted to the best cookie the Girl Scouts sell.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

How is the snow blower holding up. I only used one when I lived on Staten Island and never could quite get the hang of it, I always wound up switching to a shovel halfway through.

It’s old and I’ve had to replace parts. I fixed it during the first snowfall and it’s been holding up so far. If I wouldn’t have fixed it I would have had to call a plow service. I do still end up shoveling certain areas.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Maybe you all need a PM group for those morally prefect people than. Maybe instead of an outing thread every time an athlete dies and people sell stuff (because this happens with every one), BO should have a thread that you can add your username into to receive PMs and someone keeps the PM seller list updated.

Like I said in the thread, you're scum if you put anything in the listing about tragedy or death. But if you're just selling stuff you would normally want to sell anyway at a time you know you are going to get the most money for, who cares. Everyone who has something to sell wants to maximize the profit of that sale. If you don't I don't know why you are selling stuff.

Why do you insist on tell others what to do when you don’t agree with them?

I said it in the thread. People can disagree, that’s fine. Call the sellers out, decide what you want to do or not do and move on.

You had maroons like NC bringing up the stock market and Enron, all to argue a point to make sure they showed how much more intellectually or morally correct they were, when in reality, they were just showing their asses.

You don’t agree, fine. - move on. Its days later and people still can’t drop it.

[oldgoldy97]

The plow knocked my mailbox down. Luckily it snapped back on.

The neighbors are digging their box out of a snow bank. I think it is a goner.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Words and phrases have agreed upon definitions.

And no, you are just addicted to the best cookie the Girl Scouts sell.

Morally speaking, as well as intellectually - thin mints are better.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Words and phrases have agreed upon definitions.

And no, you are just addicted to the best cookie the Girl Scouts sell.

I haven’t seen much in the way of Girl Scouts cookies lately, I don’t know if it’s my location or that nobody I know has their Girls in the Girl Scouts. When I do see them it is usually a group of parents and girls selling them in front of Kroger.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Morally speaking, as well as intellectually - thin mints are better.

Frozen thin mints are awesome I have eaten a whole box in one sitting and would’ve eaten more if I had them.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Not sure how. I didn't list specific funds I donated to. If anyone in here didn't know I would give money to military or first responder fund drives or tragedies, I'm not sure you've been reading my posts on what is important to me.

Besides, my wife and I give to other causes, but I'm not listing those either.

It was partially tongue-in-cheek as I opted for a meme/gif but from certain perspectives by saying you often do something is the very definition that has been brought up.

"the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. "

The public expression (posting on these public forums) of sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character ("I do this often") or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue ("for first responses causes").

Could a person not construe virtue signaling from that, especially if they don't know you or know your history? If you don't think so, is it fair to assume good intent and other people are also not virtue signaling too?

For the record I assume you are not virtue signaling and in the other threads I'm also assuming most people aren't.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Morally speaking, as well as intellectually - thin mints are better.

Who let JerryNicholas in here? Caramel deLites are clearly the superior Girl Scout cookie. Fortunately my daughter is in the Girl Scouts and I'm going to be set for a long time.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

It’s old and I’ve had to replace parts. I fixed it during the first snowfall and it’s been holding up so far. If I wouldn’t have fixed it I would have had to call a plow service. I do still end up shoveling certain areas.

I sympathize with you and getting rid of the snow, I had to shovel my own walk which wasn’t that bad but driving to my two grandmothers and shoveling theirs was the killer. I am glad we never see enough snow in Mississippi to actually have to shovel.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Why do you insist on tell others what to do when you don’t agree with them?

I said it in the thread. People can disagree, that’s fine. Call the sellers out, decide what you want to do or not do and move on.

You had maroons like NC bringing up the stock market and Enron, all to argue a point to make sure they showed how much more intellectually or morally correct they were, when in reality, they were just showing their asses.

You don’t agree, fine. - move on. Its days later and people still can’t drop it.

I didn't tell anyone what to do, I was making a suggestion. If you want to keep creating threads outing sellers every time someone dies and people rush to sell things, than keep expecting others to disagree what you are doing and have those threads turn into arguments as always. I could care less about your little moral outrage and would have never seen it if not for everyone having to run in here to bust on others in the thread. I can't even blame the usual suspect BNut for that as he has been absent. It only outrages me when someone specifically lists the tragedy in the thread.

And then I would have never gotten further involved if Frenzy hadn't commented on the real discussions and real things that make first responders mad and others who support the police in Pittsburgh about the issue. And quite frankly, I have the same opinions as them when it comes to pay, who this nation worships, and media coverage. I will tell you that first responders, military, doctors, nurses, the Josies of the world are worth more than a 1000 Hamlins! And don't take that as me not caring about what happened to him, but I agree with what was written by that business in Pittsburgh. I shed more tears for the police officer killed in the line of duty that day and the other injured officer from Pittsburgh than Pittsburgh-native Hamlin having a heart attack.

Considering what occurred in this tragedy and how/who saved Hamlin, tons of donations would be better served going to the American Red Cross so they can train more people on how to perform CPR and to first responders to ensure they have the equipment (ambulances, AED, Lucas, etc.) to continue to save people's lives. I'm not knocking his charity, but kids getting toys is not why this man is still alive. Give money to his charity another time. I would respect Fanatics 1000% more if they said they were going to donate the money from his sudden jersey sales to organizations that helped save his life (I don't know if they were paid or volunteer) and the lives of others.

And with that, I'm done with the subject. You can crucify me all you want, but I'm not going to reply anymore on the subject. I'm sure I'll hear the same arguments I just made down at the fire station tonight.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Morally speaking, as well as intellectually - thin mints are better.

I can't stand the taste of mint. I believe I made mention of it before, but my Mom ate a lot of chocolate chip mint ice cream when she was pregnant with me and I have never liked the taste of it.