Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I can't believe people are still buying, at any price.

Just saw one of the "bigger" IG influencers trying to sell "his buddies" Wanders. All high end, with high end prices. I couldn't help but laugh.

[OneSickDegen]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Just saw one of the "bigger" IG influencers trying to sell "his buddies" Wanders. All high end, with high end prices. I couldn't help but laugh.

There's a BGS 9.5 Wander 1st Orange auto listed on Myslabs for $30k this morning LOL

Heavy bags

[daeve]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Do you guys not understand the difference between hobby good and baseball good? Here's a list of some not hobby good MVPs over the last decade.

Goldschmidt, Abreu, Bellinger, Yelich, Altuve, Stanton, Bryant, Donaldson

Wander was priced like he had Trout potential, which he does not. He can rack up all the WAR in the world with his glove and stolen bases. The hobby won't care if he's a .280 hitter with 20 HR.

Wander was going to be closer to Jeter than Trout. Jeter's prices remain fairly steady for never putting up huge power numbers.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I can't believe people are still buying, at any price.

some people still buy Karl Malone cards, and what he did has been confirmed for years, and is worse because it involves pregnancy and offspring.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by daeve

Wander was going to be closer to Jeter than Trout. Jeter's prices remain fairly steady for never putting up huge power numbers.

Wander's dating diamond would probably look a little different

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I can't believe people are still buying, at any price.

The buy low strategy doesn’t work when bankruptcy is on the horizon.

[TBTC Baseball]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Wander's dating diamond would probably look a little different

Now that's funny.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by daeve

some people still buy Karl Malone cards, and what he did has been confirmed for years, and is worse because it involves pregnancy and offspring.

He's also an all-timer.
Wander will be a flash in the pan trivia question a decade from now.
Not condoning what anyone did or didnt do. But these two are in completely different boats career wise.

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

He's also an all-timer.
Wander will be a flash in the pan trivia question a decade from now.
Not condoning what anyone did or didnt do. But these two are in completely different boats career wise.

Agree, I don't like Malone, but agree and there are no social media pics, etc. etc. These days things are different, some ways good some bad.

If the accusations are true with Wander, it's good that he won't get away with it like others have in the past.

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

The buy low strategy doesn’t work when bankruptcy is on the horizon.

Right lol, folks are still holding out for as much $ as they can get, instead of taking 15-20% and moving on. Soon that 15-20% will be 0.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

Right lol, folks are still holding out for as much $ as they can get, instead of taking 15-20% and moving on. Soon that 15-20% will be 0.

If I owned Wander cards right now, I’d be taking the first offer anywhere near 50-60% and moving on.


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[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If I owned Wander cards right now, I’d be taking the first offer anywhere near 50-60% and moving on.


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I think 50% is a reach

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

Right lol, folks are still holding out for as much $ as they can get, instead of taking 15-20% and moving on. Soon that 15-20% will be 0.

But…but… but current active Wander investors know something the rest of us don’t. And they will be swimming in pools of dollar bills in the future like Scrooge mcduck while we look on jealously as they bought the dip, right?

As if by some miraculous turn of events, he will be a future multi World Series mvp and HOFer.

[Cards and 401K]

At this point it depends on how much physical evidence they have along with gifts, pictures etc. still not sure why he had a “Secret” wife w/2 kids if only to deceive other women in the DR. Next week should give us a good perspective of the charges, I guess witnesses could change stories etc. we will see if August 22 is still the end date or if it is extended….


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[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

But…but… but current active Wander investors know something the rest of us don’t. And they will be swimming in pools of dollar bills in the future like Scrooge mcduck while we look on jealously as they bought the dip, right?

As if by some miraculous turn of events, he will be a future multi World Series mvp and HOFer.

I feel bad, it sucks, no one saw this coming. But I just don't see it happening, I think Wander is done. And I hate it for baseball and the hobby.

[baseballguy350]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I think 50% is a reach

Agreed. Cash out and take what you can get. If I got 50% I'd be thrilled, and if I got 30% I'd be happy. Anything less than that is still greater than 0.

My biggest concern with listing everything for a short 3-day auction was returns, so I listed everything with a $0.01 starting bid and a $299 BIN so it would be protected by ebay authenticity guarantee. Now if the items get paid for I'll at least feel better about buyers remorse returns.

My gut feeling is that there will be buyers attacking the markets, and abusing return policies when/if this gets settled within 90 days. Technically an auction that goes for under $250 and isn't in the authenticity guarantee program can be returned in 30 days no matter what verbiage the seller uses in the listing. eBay settles with the buyer. I could be selling at the floor, or this could be the ceiling. I'll take my losses on the chin and let someone else take the risk that this is going to be the bottom point of the market.

"The sunk cost fallacy is a psychological barrier that ties people to unsuccessful endeavors simply because they've committed resources to it."

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by baseballguy350

Agreed. Cash out and take what you can get. If I got 50% I'd be thrilled, and if I got 30% I'd be happy. Anything less than that is still greater than 0.

My biggest concern with listing everything for a short 3-day auction was returns, so I listed everything with a $0.01 starting bid and a $299 BIN so it would be protected by ebay authenticity guarantee. Now if the items get paid for I'll at least feel better about buyers remorse returns.

My gut feeling is that there will be buyers attacking the markets, and abusing return policies when/if this gets settled within 90 days. Technically an auction that goes for under $250 and isn't in the authenticity guarantee program can be returned in 30 days no matter what verbiage the seller uses in the listing. eBay settles with the buyer. I could be selling at the floor, or this could be the ceiling. I'll take my losses on the chin and let someone else take the risk that this is going to be the bottom point of the market.

"The sunk cost fallacy is a psychological barrier that ties people to unsuccessful endeavors simply because they've committed resources to it."

totally agree

I'm not selling any, but very concerned there will be A LOT of refunds once the official news hits.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by baseballguy350

Agreed. Cash out and take what you can get. If I got 50% I'd be thrilled, and if I got 30% I'd be happy. Anything less than that is still greater than 0.

My biggest concern with listing everything for a short 3-day auction was returns, so I listed everything with a $0.01 starting bid and a $299 BIN so it would be protected by ebay authenticity guarantee. Now if the items get paid for I'll at least feel better about buyers remorse returns.

My gut feeling is that there will be buyers attacking the markets, and abusing return policies when/if this gets settled within 90 days. Technically an auction that goes for under $250 and isn't in the authenticity guarantee program can be returned in 30 days no matter what verbiage the seller uses in the listing. eBay settles with the buyer. I could be selling at the floor, or this could be the ceiling. I'll take my losses on the chin and let someone else take the risk that this is going to be the bottom point of the market.

"The sunk cost fallacy is a psychological barrier that ties people to unsuccessful endeavors simply because they've committed resources to it."

Agreed with you: nobody is offering 50% (or 30%) on anything. I actually think the guy's gonna get off and I'm still trying to unload what I had (99% pack pulled) that is either 2019 or 2022, graded, etc. just to rid myself of the hassle. Some gamblers are scooping up some previously big cards for pennies on the $ but I think everyone is waiting for final word. I don't want to sell anything below $250 because buyers can simply wait for official word and then return by avoiding the Ebay Authentication. And yeah, I think your method of auction with $299 BIN will eventually end up in return hell in some way, as well. It just feels like most of the buying is either folks taking a calculated gamble - again, for pennies on the dollar - or buying and figuring they'll either return or hold based on outcome.

If he is found guilty of doing something truly horrible, I'll figure out a way to best part with my cards with all proceeds going to whatever non-profit fights trafficking in the D.R. (assuming that's the final charge). Failing that, they'll be excised from my collection in some way. I sold my biggest two Wanders back in 2021.

If he is found to have been a victim of extortion and found fully innocent, I guess I'll reassess based on whatever information comes out.

[Cards and 401K]

With me if it's a 100% loss it is what is is and no one saw this coming. I also Trade Stock "options" occasionally and they can go to Zero in a hurry, have to try and take the emotions out of the equation a lot easier said than done...

[msink28]

I'm confused: I thought eBay updated its return policy for sports cards to three days after delivery for item not as described?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I feel bad, it sucks, no one saw this coming. But I just don't see it happening, I think Wander is done. And I hate it for baseball and the hobby.

Yeah, it’s a humbling reminder yet again that sports cards, and other “investments” with very little to no intrinsic value, remain a very risky asset class as a whole. Particularly speculative sports cards.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by msink28

I'm confused: I thought eBay updated its return policy for sports cards to three days after delivery for item not as described?

They did.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by daeve

Wander was going to be closer to Jeter than Trout. Jeter's prices remain fairly steady for never putting up huge power numbers.

Is this a serious comment?

[free2131]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I feel bad, it sucks, no one saw this coming. But I just don't see it happening, I think Wander is done. And I hate it for baseball and the hobby.

I hate it for the alleged victims. Couldn't care less about baseball or the "hobby".

[abbeyroadwalker]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Yeah, it’s a humbling reminder yet again that sports cards, and other “investments” with very little to no intrinsic value, remain a very risky asset class as a whole. Particularly speculative sports cards.

Anyone here remember Todd Van Poppel, Terrell Wade, Kevin Maas, Brien Taylor, David Neid? "Can't miss" Prospects from the early 90's who flamed out faster than a Perseid Meteor, in some cases due to their personal misbehavior.