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Old 06-23-2023, 11:13 PM   #101
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That inside the Playbook card sure brings back some memories. It folds out and has a play drawn up inside. Alexander's is perfect...the I-formation left with Mack Strong, Hutchinson, and Jones leading the way. Unstoppable for 5 years straight.
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Old 06-25-2023, 12:04 AM   #102
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That inside the Playbook card sure brings back some memories. It folds out and has a play drawn up inside. Alexander's is perfect...the I-formation left with Mack Strong, Hutchinson, and Jones leading the way. Unstoppable for 5 years straight.
Cool - I'll have to remember to open it up when I ship from COMC


Kenneth Walker Xs and Os 2022 - Just think this is a cool card - always liked these helmet shaped cards and have some of the older sets

Jaxon Smith-Njigba - Panini Instant 2023 - Finally getting some "real" cards Right before he got to meet DW who was excited the Seahawks drafted this guy

Tariq Woolen and Kenneth Walker - Panini Instant 2022 - One of the better looking subsets they did "last" year

Russell Wilson Press Pass 2012 auto inscription - Finally picked up one of these after his cards have dropped so much, I know some people don't like Press pass - but I've got lots of PP going back to 1996!

Rashaad Penny 2018 Instant access - like his nicely slanted auto, bonus points since its on fabric, and a lot of autos look bad on fabric



And hopefully everyone has watched this vid - well worth it, if you haven't --- or if you don't have time - just listen to the audio while you do something else.

IF ONLY LUKE HAD SAID SOMETHING....

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Matt Hasselbeck will have his revenge! Muhahahaha!

Having worked for Disney - can confirm - when they decide to axe your whole team.............. no warning!

When my whole team got let go - they marched us in a conference room - shut the doors and had us sit for a few so we could wonder what was happening, then multiple HR people came in and started talking severance packages.





And some new pickups

Charles Cross 2022 Select Tie Dye - again, one of my favorite parallels

Cortez Kennedy 1995 Classic auto - I thought I had one of these, but couldn't locate it, luckily these are still available on eBay

Rashaad Penny Immaculate eye black 2018 - Just think the eye black cards are cool - if you're going to do sticker autos - come up with a cool gimmick... and can't go wrong with the serial number

Kenneth Walker III Sage Peak Performance - usually one of the better looking Sage subsets each year

Steve Hutchinson Instant Access 2020 - Had this in my watchlist for awhile and one was finally listed - got lucky as it was an underpriced "buy it now" and no one scooped it up till I saw it the next morning. Its weird because seller listed a bunch of these Instant Access autos, and most of the rest where correctly priced or on the high side....

Walter Jones 1997 Artist Proof Pinnacle Rookie - again - one of the coolest parallels that year


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Throwbacks are out and look great


If you missed it, make sure to watch the videos, and support Lockett's suggestion to wear them game 1.

https://twitter.com/TDLockett12/stat...99393056153601

Also home page looks L33T, make sure to click the Kingdome cam

(not sure how long it will stay up)

https://throwback.seahawks.com/home
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Old 07-26-2023, 04:29 PM   #105
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With the throwbacks looking so great, its inspired me to look thru a lot of my 80s/90s cards.

This came with a pizza, so they are supposed to smell/taste like a pizza, right?

I swear I can almost taste the sauce on Patrick Hunter.

And Bobby Joe got a little dab of grease when he got checked out along with the hot sausage pizza.

Is that a bit of petrified cheese on Alonzo?

Largent still looks sharp though (as in possibly trimmed)

I have a nicer set, but sometimes its fun to collect in "original" condition.'






Definitely better then reading news about the Seahawks having the only unsigned pick with training camp starting today.
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Old 07-26-2023, 05:44 PM   #106
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With the throwbacks looking so great, its inspired me to look thru a lot of my 80s/90s cards.

This came with a pizza, so they are supposed to smell/taste like a pizza, right?

I swear I can almost taste the sauce on Patrick Hunter.

And Bobby Joe got a little dab of grease when he got checked out along with the hot sausage pizza.

Is that a bit of petrified cheese on Alonzo?

Largent still looks sharp though (as in possibly trimmed)

I have a nicer set, but sometimes its fun to collect in "original" condition.'






Definitely better then reading news about the Seahawks having the only unsigned pick with training camp starting today.
Wow is that a Tony Ventrella Rookie card? Seattle Legend right there!
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Wow is that a Tony Ventrella Rookie card? Seattle Legend right there!
Unless he has another of these local type of broadcaster cards or he was in one of the random broadcaster trivia sets from the 80s/90s, it may be his only card. I have a number of these types of cards including Seahawks great Ahmad Rashad.

Also and in a similar vein, so far I have found 3 Paul Allen cards from when he owned the Portland Trailblazers.

The Kingdome itself got quite a few cards over the years. And I have already posted one of my Blitz cards. Heck - even the "wave" has a card

Not really Seahawks related, but even Patty Murray has a few cards.

There is kinda an overlap between Seahawks/Mariners/Kindome cards/stuff and local "celebrities" in the 70-90s especially



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Unless he has another of these local type of broadcaster cards or he was in one of the random broadcaster trivia sets from the 80s/90s, it may be his only card. I have a number of these types of cards including Seahawks great Ahmad Rashad.

Also and in a similar vein, so far I have found 3 Paul Allen cards from when he owned the Portland Trailblazers.

The Kingdome itself got quite a few cards over the years. And I have already posted one of my Blitz cards. Heck - even the "wave" has a card

Not really Seahawks related, but even Patty Murray has a few cards.

There is kinda an overlap between Seahawks/Mariners/Kindome cards/stuff and local "celebrities" in the 70-90s especially



This is some amazing stuff right here. Thank You for sharing this!

I do have one of these in the PC related to the Kingdome. Always thought it was a cool piece of old school seattle history.

2001 Topps Finest - Stadium Throwbacks #FS-KR - Koren Robinson
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Old 08-04-2023, 05:25 PM   #109
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This is some amazing stuff right here. Thank You for sharing this!

I do have one of these in the PC related to the Kingdome. Always thought it was a cool piece of old school seattle history.

2001 Topps Finest - Stadium Throwbacks #FS-KR - Koren Robinson
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Those are cool, I guess I missed them, as if you just glance at them, they just look like mem cards


Finally get some game "action" today with the practice game today Seahawks vs. Seahawks --- hopefully the whole thing gets posted, I remember watching it last year online.


Thought this looks kinda odball and cool:



2022 Panini Select - Neon Icons #NI-17 - Kenneth Walker III
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And someone posted that KW3 is running on a burger here:



2022 Panini Chronicles - Magnitude #MAG-29 - Kenneth Walker III
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Riq's hat:


2022 Panini Contenders Optic - Xs and Os - Blue Prizm #XO-56 - Tariq Woolen /99
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really slowed down the RW3 pickups - but get a cool one every now and then



2013 Panini Limited - Jumbo Materials - Jersey Numbers #24 - Russell Wilson /49
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you don't actually see these variations very often (see tons of the base in random Seahawks lots)


1999 Skybox Premium - [Base] #248.2 - SP - Karsten Bailey (Action Photo Variation)
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Really like this set and picked up quite a few of the parallels from it


2005 Upper Deck Reflections - [Base] - Gold #166 - LeRoy Hill /50 [EX to NM]
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Boye! Supposedly he is looking good in camp!


2022 Panini Prizm - [Base] - Black & White Checker Prizm #386 - Rookies - Boye Mafe
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There's gold in them thar Kennedy's


1992 Action Packed - [Base] - 24-Kt. Gold Mint #254 - Cortez Kennedy /500
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Another card that's harder to find then random 90s base


1997 SP Authentic - [Base] #6 - Walter Jones [EX to NM]
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Just need a time machine to redeem it!


1996 Collector's Edge President's Reserve - The Candidates Expired Redemptions #_SESE - Seattle Seahawks [EX to NM]
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Hopefully not hurt too bad in camp:


2020 Panini Immaculate Collection Collegiate - [Base] #58 - Autographs - Darrell Taylor /99
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More Kennedy gold:


2000 Pacific Omega - Game-Worn Jerseys #10 - Cortez Kennedy
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Mock game finally got posted - too bad about the injuries.



Some new pickups:


2000 Leaf Limited - [Base] - Limited Edition #47 - Sean Dawkins /35
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Seahawks great Seabass, in the bext looking card set from Y2K:


2000 Fleer Showcase - [Base] #121 - Sebastian Janikowski /2000
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Riq in college:


2022 Leaf Pro Set Draft - Autographs - Blue #PSA-TW1 - Tariq Woolen
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I know a lot of people complain about cards in college uniforms, but I like them.... I have thousands and thousands of Seahawks cards in Seahawks unis, so its a different look seeing them in different colors.... I just consider them "Pre" Seahawks cards..... Afteralll would you rather have a Jimmy Graham rookie in a Saints uni or college uni.


2000 Pacific Omega - [Base] #221 - Rookies - Darrell Jackson /500
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Old 08-11-2023, 02:18 PM   #111
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This popped up in one of my searches.... remember when Panini Instant used to make preseason cards....

Pepperidge farm remembers.

Now we get someone's instant customs.

The kids are always talking about something called a Giga-Chad.

Rare Jake Bobo Giga-Chad variant?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36441196301...UAAOSwEoZk1dby




I saved an "ETF" of it in case it gets taken down or an even rarer corrected version comes out.


So for those who watched the game last night (seems like every couple years the Seahawks have a UDFA or late round WR go off)

Jake Bobo is the next(on a scale from JF to GC)...

1. The next Jazz Ferguson
2. The next David Moore
3. The next ADB
4. The next Steve Largent
5. Giga-Chad



Also - I still see people asking about something called a "Nick Mullens", and he totally looks like one of those backup QBs who could come in for Kirk Cousins and beat the Hawks.

Also - for the Seahawks, did the depth look great or was the Vikings backup backup QB that bad. Even the Vikings announcers were saying he made Holton look like the next Jim Zorn out there.
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So for those who watched the game last night (seems like every couple years the Seahawks have a UDFA or late round WR go off)

Jake Bobo is the next(on a scale from JF to GC)...

1. The next Jazz Ferguson
2. The next David Moore
3. The next ADB
4. The next Steve Largent
5. Giga-Chad



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He's the next Charly Martin... The fans will start a frenzy for him to be on the team and he will barely make it...Just to get cut during the season to make room for a long snapper.
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He's the next Charly Martin... The fans will start a frenzy for him to be on the team and he will barely make it...Just to get cut during the season to make room for a long snapper.

Charly Martin. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

When I looked him up - he reminded me of Deejay Dallas - with the big smile in the profile pic.... I didn't know that was a tradition going back that far.


Although I forgot to list it as an option, but hopefully Chad Bobo can be the new Freddie Swain this year.... I think the "Big 3" WR will get so much attention - maybe he can get a few of those receptions like Swain did where no defender was within 20 yards of him....





Seems like I am seeing a lot of nice Eskridge cards coming out of the woodwork, now that he may be done


2021 Panini National Treasures - Treasured Rookies - Holo Silver #TRC-19 - D'Wayne Eskridge /25
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My 2nd favorite Select parallel


2022 Panini Select - [Base] - Dragon Scale Prizm #211 - Club Level - Abraham Lucas /89
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2022 Panini Select - [Base] - Dragon Scale Prizm #190 - Premier Level - Charles Cross /89
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He's the next Charly Martin... The fans will start a frenzy for him to be on the team and he will barely make it...Just to get cut during the season to make room for a long snapper.
Starting to look like Jake "Chad Ocho Cinco" Bobo is the Ironclad Lock of the Century of the Week to make the 53..... and even looking good to be active and WR3 week one....

My friend I watched the Seahawks vs. Dallas game with, thought Jake's new nickname was hilarious, and started calling him "Chad Ocho Cinco" after the big catch and getting a safety.


2023 SAGE Low Series - Next Level Signatures - Red #NLS-JB3 - Jake Bobo
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Also thought this was cool, and somehow missed it when it came out - big one for any fans of the office(or the awesome Weird Al move), has a sticker auto version too if you're into that sort of thing



2022 Panini Donruss - Fans of the Game #FG-RW - Rainn Wilson
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So even I am starting to think Leaf is many toooo maaaaany 1/1s --- it getting to where if it's not a 1/1 it seems like its a base card. Picked up a few of these that were super cheap, but passing on more and more of them... especially when someone lists a Leaf Pre-Prod for Blackrose prices(see it every once in awhile)



2023 Leaf Metal - First Round Bound Autographs - Pre-Production Proof Red Kaleidoscope Unsigned #FRB-JSN - Jaxon Smith-Njigba /1 [Uncirculated]
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2023 Leaf Metal - Base Autographs - Pre-Production Proof Blue Kaleidoscope Unsigned #BA-ZC1 - Zach Charbonnet /1 [Uncirculated]
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Coolio mirrawr!



1999 Leaf Certified - Gold Future - Mirror Black #27 - Karsten Bailey /25
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That football is game used.... uh lets chop it up in little baseball shaped portions....



2000 Upper Deck MVP - Game Used Souvenirs #JK - Jon Kitna
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Think Honors looks pretty good this year


2022 Panini Honors - [Base] #31 - Geno Smith /99
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Bobo made the 53, and looks like he'll be active game 1!

Also looks to be a couple of good waiver wire pickups

And seems like they got all the preseason "fan favorites" back on the practice squad except Sir Roderic (not sure if he signed elsewhere)

Thought this was cool... Appears to be an IP signed card that was just mixed in with the other cards on COMC:


2003 Upper Deck Finite - Jerseys #FJ-SW - Seneca Wallace
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Very nice looking for a checklist - seemed like several companies did nice checklists in the late 90s



1999 Pacific Paramount - Team Checklists #28 - Jon Kitna
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Welcome to the Hawks Kyu Blu. 5th round CB out of Stanford, I've heard that story before. Sounds like he was someone they were targeting when he got drafted by Baltimore



2022 Onyx Vintage College - Autographs [Base] - Red Ink #CAKK - Kyu Blu Kelly
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Seems like it was destined, a little Blue and green:


2022 Wild Card Auto Mania Retail - Circle - Green Mirror #AM-C4 - Kyu Blu Kelly
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2022 Wild Card Auto Mania Retail - Circle - Blue Mirror #AM-C4 - Kyu Blu Kelly
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Drake Thomas seems to only have 2 cards(Leaf and Wild) - here is one of them. I guess he was the Raiders Levi Bell this preseason. Must of been someone they were targeting also.


2022 Wild Card Auto Mania Retail - Circle - Gold Sparkles #AM-C13 - Drake Thomas /10
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LFG! Neon Geon Smith!


2013 Topps - Retail 1969 Design - Green #3 - Geno Smith [EX to NM]
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That's a very vigorous cuddlin' by that Chief's player


1996 Pinnacle Action Packed - [Base] - Artist's Proof #71 - Chris Warren
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Opening this eBay package sure felt like Sunday's game.

First half of the package opened smoothly and I could tell my item was going to be good!

Took a break in the middle to hydrate.

Started on the 2nd half and saw a flash of neon green and started thinking "BONUS CARD(s)!" yah!

pulled out my item

well packed... a little too well packed

Bonus card turned out to be Jamal Adams used as packing material.

Yes that's blue tape on Jamal

Tape came off ok, so it looks like Jamal may be recovered and made it to the PC anyways.

Hope next week is better. (or whenever he and Witherspoon are back)

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https://www.nfl.com/videos/kyle-bran...s-winner-x6524

I hadn't watched this before(first Seahawk to win?), but I disagree that Charbs runs angry (I know he won) - I got way more Beastmode vides from him, then an angry runner.

Beastmode used to do those awesome runs, and then just get up laughing and smiling.

Charbs after he trucked that guy, just strikes a pose, and looks like "Did I do that?". Was more reminiscent of Marshawn standing by the goal line as he scored.


"Marshawn Lynch leisurely scores a touchdown"






Picked this up - didn't recall seeing it before.... but must say, they picked a nice shot for the alt pic.



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I like this thread, just a guy posting a bunch of different cards he likes. 5 stars.
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Excited about Leonard Williams pickup - PC upping his quota of USC alums. Hopefully balls out for the rest of the year. Actually collected him a bit in 2015, he was in a lot of the same sets as Lockett.


And just picked up this beauty:



2015 Panini National Treasures - Rookie Signatures RPS #RSR-LW - Leonard Williams /99
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Not sure why - but like the animal prints in the Leaf exotic cards - even have Zach's early season sig




Some other new pickups , couple of nice Bobby Wagners

Byron Maxwell panini instant 1 of 1, not sure how I missed it originally as he has so few cards. Listed on eBay as his only Dolphins card, but talks about his time in Seattle on the back of the card.
Side not, but seller included a really nice packet of mostly Dolphins rookies and oddball as a bonus, I don't collect Dolphins, but I like picking up at least one rookie card of non-Seahawks and there were a quite a few I had never seen before in it.
One of the best bonuses I've ever had included in an eBay lot. Almost as good as the dealer that thru in a couple of Lockett rookies in an order

Cade Johnson 1 of 1 Superfractor

Zach Charbonnet - metal, showing off his new quicker sig - kinda looks like a lightning bolt. I approve, its better then him getting a fumble from hand cramps trying to sign his old sig 1000x. His old sig looks really tedious to sign many times. And at least he didn't go with a check mark.

Kenny McKintosh - Joe exotic parallel




Side note for fantasy football people

I'm in a 16 team league and so there is really no one available to pick up on a week by week basis unless you get lucky.

So started Jake "Chad Ocho Cinco" Bobo and JSN who both had a TD - Noice! and got my 1st win

FF is funny, have basically the same team in both leagues (Josh Allen and a bunch of Seahawks) 1-7 in one league and first in my other league.

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Some great adds!

The Season has been solid so far this year.

Happy to see the Seahawks do something free agent wise and bolster that D-Line grabbing Williams.

Bobo has been outstanding...curious to see how much his 1st autos are going to go for. I could see some ridiculous amount and then be 80% cheaper a few releases later.

I really dig Charbonet's running style. A human wreckingball at full speed. Great contrast to Walker.

I would like to see them get more creative in the redzone or use DK/Bobo's height/size advantages. Geno needs to learn how to throw it away down there too when a field goal is a viable option. To many sacks/ints in those crucial moments.
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Geno has really regressed this season after a good start. I'm not sure wtf happened in Baltimore today but they looked like a tanking team this week lol. quite bad.

agree that Bobo has been such a bright spot among the rollercoaster thus far. his blocking is highly underrated as well, imo. i don't like all the hot take comparisons to angry doug he gets, just cus he's a udfa too and playing well... pump the brakes big on that

i think everyone knows Geno isn't the guy to get them past maybe a wild card game + 1 if they're fortunate. Interesting to see if they run it back the same next year too.
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Geno has really regressed this season after a good start. I'm not sure wtf happened in Baltimore today but they looked like a tanking team this week lol. quite bad.

agree that Bobo has been such a bright spot among the rollercoaster thus far. his blocking is highly underrated as well, imo. i don't like all the hot take comparisons to angry doug he gets, just cus he's a udfa too and playing well... pump the brakes big on that

i think everyone knows Geno isn't the guy to get them past maybe a wild card game + 1 if they're fortunate. Interesting to see if they run it back the same next year too.
Seahawks are still a playoff team - I hate the Ravens as a matchup for the Seahawks. Sometimes it goes that way. It's one game.
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Old 12-23-2023, 04:07 PM   #123
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SO my friend and I were talking this last weekend about how the playoffs started Monday for the Seahawks.....

And while we both agreed they would likely beat the Eagles on Monday(which they did), and likely win 3 of 4 the rest of the way.

We are worried they will lose to the Cardinals when Murray goes down early and whoever they have left as the backup (Wentz???) comes in and has the game of his life. Because that seems to be how the last couple years have gone. And then they will need Detroit to win in the last game of the season to get in.

Also - Drew Lock forever..... or at least until tomorrow when Geno comes back.

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How's everyone feeling about the new coach? Mike Macdonald! Introductory press conference was good(other then the reporters MICs still sucking)

Feels like a major win for the Seahawks to me. Obviously don't know what the future holds, but seems nice getting the guy JS clearly wanted. Who was also the top coordinator candidate.

And he already got a hug from Mike Morris! I know by the time I was Mike's age, I'd had a lot of coaches in a lot of sports, and not a lot of them I would have hugged, so that is definitely a good sign players like him.

My buddy who roots for the WTFs not happy, told me the Seahawks stole their guy. Maybe Quinn can help them beat up on the Cowboys though with his insider knowledge though.

I'm calling TOP 3 offseason so far for Seahawks(let's see who they get for OC/DC)
along with Lions(retained Johnson)
and Chargers(I think Harbs turns them around - WILL CHARGERS MAKE IT A THREE-PETE ON #WINNING the off season? their last 2 offseasons where great)
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Old 02-01-2024, 10:34 PM   #125
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How's everyone feeling about the new coach? Mike Macdonald! Introductory press conference was good(other then the reporters MICs still sucking)

Feels like a major win for the Seahawks to me. Obviously don't know what the future holds, but seems nice getting the guy JS clearly wanted. Who was also the top coordinator candidate.

And he already got a hug from Mike Morris! I know by the time I was Mike's age, I'd had a lot of coaches in a lot of sports, and not a lot of them I would have hugged, so that is definitely a good sign players like him.

My buddy who roots for the WTFs not happy, told me the Seahawks stole their guy. Maybe Quinn can help them beat up on the Cowboys though with his insider knowledge though.

I'm calling TOP 3 offseason so far for Seahawks(let's see who they get for OC/DC)
along with Lions(retained Johnson)
and Chargers(I think Harbs turns them around - WILL CHARGERS MAKE IT A THREE-PETE ON #WINNING the off season? their last 2 offseasons where great)
I'm happy with the coaching decision...Defensive mind and young. I'm glad they moved on from Clint Hurtt at D coordinator. When he switched the scheme to a 3-4 instead of 4-3 2 seasons ago they couldn't stop the run. Then he goes out and brings back Reed, Wagner, and adds Williams when a good 3-4 is dependent on having a great nose tackle...made no sense imo. Shame too because I believe they would have been a playoff team had they stayed at a 4-3.

I still think this team has a long off season to go before making any predictions. Only 4 mill in cap space, BWagz and Brooks both free agents, Fant and Parkinson are free agents, Lockett and Adams contracts are too big of a cap hit to keep. Don't even know who the starting QB will be and Lock is a FA aswell. Could be a mess if there isn't some restructuring going on.
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